I’m so glad we have PSAs (pro-slaughter advocates, to our new readers) around to educate the rest of us and let us know why we need to slaughter horses. Although, I have yet to see a single anti-slaughter person say that they want to stop all breeding and have no domestic horses, the PSAs insist that is our mission. I have also seen them say we are all atheists and tree huggers too. Not sure about y’all, but I have never been able to find a passage in the bible that said that eating horses would get me to heaven and the last time I tried to hug a tree, there may or may not have been alcohol involved and I ended up with bark in my unmentionables. I don’t recommend it at all. Since our PSA pals are such fine horsemen, I thought we might be able to learn the error of our thinking as it pertains to breeding horses. For the record, I have never said to wipe out all breeding, I have only said we need to be far more selective in what we breed. Warmblood registries have a complex approval process for their breeding stock and rare is the occasion you find one in a kill buyer’s pen. Perhaps we could learn something from them? Probably not, the PSAs have other ideas about breeding, so let’s check up on their expertise….
The PSA lesson on breeding began with one of them complaining that a friend wanted to breed two horses because they were pretty, even though they didn’t have the pedigree to justify making more of them. So far, so good……Sadly, their resident experts decided to chime in and thing went south in a hurry….
” if you afford to feed it i have no problem with anyone breeding anything they want. I ain’t the breeder police.”
– Of course this PSA will take this position if you take a look at her super special gaited Appy she is breeding.
“I have a problem with PROVEN mares and stallions as the only reason for breeding. While breeding just to breed is stupid what’s wrong with taking a relatively unknown stud with good conformation and great disposition and breeding it to your unknown but lovely mare? You could end up with the next champion. You could end up with a dud. Or you could get the horse you have dreamed for your entire life”
– Clearly this person is not clear on minimizing risk. Out of nothing by nothing is far more likely to beget nothing than the offspring of world beater and world beater. Unless you plan to keep that foal for life, you have no business dumping more crap on the market. According to PSAs thousands of would be champions are shipped to Canada or Mexico every single day. Why not just waltz on down to the kill buyer and pick one up for the $20 they say they sell for?
“Secretariat never bred a winner… just sayin’. I have a problem with all the people who are *only* breeding to popular lines. They are concentrating the gene pool, and there are a lot of people who are not having their horses tested for things like HERDA, but are breeding those lines anyway. I don’t want anyone telling me that I can’t breed my grade mare that has a fantastic”
– I just love it when people that don’t know a thing about Thoroughbreds make comments like this. Secretariat sired 1986 Horse of the Year, Lady’s Secret. He also sired Melbourne Cup winner, Kingston Rule, stakes record-setting General Assembly, Grade 1 winner Tinners Way, Belmont and Preakness winner Risen Star, just to name a few. Secretariat sired many winners. More importantly, he was the broodmare sire to horses like Storm Cat and Gone West, as well as the grandsire of horses like AP Indy and great grandsire of Giant’s Causeway. While he never reproduced himself, he was hardly a flop in the breeding shed. His success as a broodmare sire is believed to be because he passed on his `X-factor’ which was the large heart gene through his daughters. The North American Thoroughbred would not be remotely the same today without Secretariat’s contribution in the breeding shed. He was still commanding a $125,000 stud fee when he died in 1989.
“Logic would tell us that there are way more *great* horses out there that will never be “discovered”, for many reasons. Just because a horse hasn’t ever done anything noteworthy in the world doesn’t mean it isn’t a worthwhile animal. My very first favorite horse of all time was ugly as unrepented sin, and a stubborn jughead, but he was the most trustworthy horse I’ve ever seen. He was worth a lot to me and a lot of other people. Other folks would wrinkle up their noses and say he was just ugly…”
– I half assed agree with some of this statement. There are many good horses out there that aren’t the prettiest or don’t have a fashionable pedigree. The problem is that if you breed horses like that, you are lessening their odds at staying out of the slaughter pipeline. If Suey and D-bag have their way, there will be a whole bunch more great horses that never get discovered because they will be on dinner plates. What will be left to buy cheap is the old, sick and crippled ones that aren’t suitable for human consumption.
“Bloodlines lessen the odds, they don’t eliminate them. Known winning cow horse lines bred to the same usually produce a good cow horse. Every now and than you get a peptoboonsmal or a High Brow, but the world will never ever know how many were produced that were ruined by the owners or trainers, or gelded and would have made great producers. I have known bloodlines but my studs are proven, only their sires and dams are. My mares have won some and broduced winners but if you went by their records alone, no…..most are small time winers. I agree with N’Tee……give a horse that has good conformation and good blood a chance. If it does not produce, move it on down the road. I’ve done this often and am pretty ruthless if it won’t at least produce as good as it is.”
– I still don’t have an English to illiterate translator, but I think this person is saying her stud is unproven and her mares aren’t either, but they are pretty? At least she has set the bar low in saying they have to produce as good as they are being the benchmark. Pretty easy to produce unaccomplished horses….just leave them in the field. I just want to know who is the buyer for all these horses…
I think you get the idea of what we’re dealing with. None of these people see themselves as part of the problem. They all have quality stock, just ask them. Yet, they scream and cry that they need slaughter to return to set their market price. I know I’ve been at this horse thing a long time and the slaughter price as never had any effect on what the horses I was dealing with were worth. These are the same people that think pedigree query is the ultimate resource on performance and pedigree. It can be a decent resource the same way Wikipedia is. You can’t take anything on either as gospel because ANYBODY can go in and add or change things. In the future, I think that I may need to swap out my tinfoil beanie for a helmet when I go and read their stuff. My forehead is getting very sore from hitting the desk. 😦