I feel like it’s Christmas all over again! While I’m as concerned as anybody about the full court press the slaughterphiles are launching to get slaughter houses open in New Mexico and Oklahoma, it has brought about a media blitz from Dave `Douchebag’ Duquette. As most of you know, that is always an occasion for much hilarity and knee slapping. My mind truly boggles that any organization, no matter how backwoods, would think it was a good idea to make him their voice, but we should all be very thankful that the slaughterphiles do, because every time he strokes his chin pubes and opens his mouth, it helps our cause and gives us lots to laugh about. We haven’t heard much from D-bag since his rather sad attempt at entering the blogosphere, but his antics over the past week have more than made up for his absence. Sadly, we can surmise from his insights that he hasn’t become any more edumacated or managed to find himself a clue.
First up, let’s take a little look at a radio hit D-bag did. (http://www.1190kex.com/pages/whatyoumissed.html?article=11002311) Since I know that some of you won’t subject yourself to listening to him mumble on about all things slaughter, I took one for the team and will give you some highlights of this little 4 1/2 minute gem. Basically, they introduce D-bag after talking about the horse meat found in Ikea Meatballs in Europe, which is just one of many products found to contain horse meat lately. They introduce D-bag as the President of The UH and say they are a small organization that retrains and rehabs unwanted horses that just so happen to be slaughter advocates. I seriously wish they would have asked him how many they have managed to retrain and rehab to date, but they didn’t. This is where the lies began. D-bag claims that they have to import millions of pounds of horse meat from Canada for zoo diets every year. This isn’t exactly true. For instance, you can get horse meat for pet food at Bravo Packing in New Jersey where they claim that people bring them horses asking it to be used for pet food. They say they probably slaughter and process 5 horses a month and most of those are donated due to being old, blind or crippled. Triple A Brand Meat Company in Burlington, Colorado is another company that process horse meat for zoo diets. The owner has stated they get their horse meat fresh from local rendering plants. In addition, there are several zoos and animal sanctuaries that will take horses and process them for their big cats as well. D-bag didn’t see fit to mention those details. It may not be big business, but it is certainly happening right here at home and the demand is far from `millions of pounds’ a year. D-bag kinda contradicted himself when he admitted it was still legal to slaughter horses for pet food, but that plants can’t run on that small demand. Which is it? You can read about it here: (http://content.yudu.com/A1620t/rockymtnriderapr09/resources/18.htm)
As any good liar does when not confronted, D-bag pulls some more statistics out of his butt. According to him 70% of the world’s countries eat horse meat every single day. While horse meat may be consumed in that many countries every day, it’s certainly not the majority of the population doing so. He blathers on about how safe and healthy horse meat is and you can almost envision Slaughterhouse Sue’s hand up his butt making him talk at this point. He informs us all that there is withdrawal times for drugs and they are all cleared out of the system within 30 days. Besides, according to D-bag, it’s not big deal because dairy cattle have been given Bute for the last 30 or 40 years. Of course most of us know this is all a bunch of lies. There is no withdrawal time for certain banned drugs and no, dairy cattle in the human food chain are not given Bute. In fact, the use of Bute in dairy cattle over the age of 20 months is prohibited in the US (http://vetmed.tamu.edu/common/docs/public/aavpt/phenylbutazone.pdf). Nice try D-bag! He also tells us that Americans have had horse meat as part of their diets since `Lewis and Clark’ all the way up to the mid 80’s when it was on the menu at Harvard. For some reason, the slaughterphiles like to bring up the fact that Harvard served horse meat all the time. I guess that’s supposed to make it legit or something. D-bag wraps things up by telling us that what is happening in Europe is no big deal other than a labelling issue. He said that having horse meat show up in your food is not much worse than somebody labeling turkey as chicken. Tell that to somebody keeping kosher! D-bag also whines about having to go against the animal rights movement who are the `loud and wealthy minority’. Well, it’s not just card-carrying animal rights people that are appalled at the notion of eating horse meat and 80% is most certainly not a minority. We don’t expect D-bag to be good at math though.
Ok, let’s move onto the next stop on D-bag’s magical media tour, which will be the ABC news (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/find-horse-meat-us/story?id=18598602#.UTEnQ18bhp8.email). There are a few minor inaccuracies in this article, but where it really gets bizarre is when they check in with D-bag. He informs us that the cost to euthanize a horse is between $600 and $2500. I don’t know what vet he’s using but he needs to find a new one. I have never had a horse euthanized that cost even $300 to get the job done. Now, that’s not counting disposal, but D-bag specifies that was just for euthanization. A bullet is far less and he sure doesn’t mention that. What he does tell the reporter is “The problem has gotten worse with horses that are abandoned, neglected, abused and starving to death and the direct cause is this and the economy”. Yes, because horses were never neglected, abused or starved prior to slaughter shutdown in 2007. He fails to mention that the majority of the abandoned horses are found near borders and are largely believed to be slaughter rejects. Nobody knows why the rest are abandoned or if their owners maybe did that because they didn’t want their horses to go to auction where a kill buyer may get them, as misguided as that is. D-bag also proudly tells us that he’s never had anything to do with horse slaughter and he doesn’t `think’ he has ever sent a horse to slaughter in his life. I would think you would know whether or not you sent a horse to slaughter, no? Also, interesting that while he claims to have never had anything to do with slaughter, he is now the `expert’ on it and how humane it is. Considering he has openly admitted to eating horse meat and serving it up to guests in the past, I would say he’s had a little to do with slaughter. He neglects to mention that minor detail though.
Guess what? D-bag still wasn’t finished talking to the media. He also talked to the NY Times, who refer to him as a `horse trader’. (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/business/us-exposure-to-horse-meat-answers-to-common-questions.html?_r=1&) D-bag tells us “We’re real close to getting some processing plants up and running, but there are no inspectors because the U.S.D.A. is working on protocols” . He also said that he believes that the USDA is going to bring inspectors `online directly’. I’m not entirely sure what that means. Is that opposed bringing them online indirectly? Are they going to take some detours? So many questions! D-bag also assures everybody that horse meat is safe and oh so healthy. He also says it is in demand by growing demographic groups in the US such as Tongans, Mongolians and Hispanics. Does that mean we should start processing dogs and cats that some ethnic groups like as well? Would this be one of those slippery slopes they all keep telling us to beware of? I’m beginning to think that Slaughterhouse Suey and Puppymill Patterson wrote a script for D-bag as he basically says the same thing in every interview with only the lies getting bigger when he ad libs. He really is a special kinda stupid.
It seems D-bag was a busy boy this week because he also spoke with RIA Novosti (http://en.ria.ru/world/20130228/179725679/US-Horsemeat-Producers-Await-Giddyup——–.html). This time D-bag changes things up and tells us that he has all these calls from `upper-end’ restaurants all across the country that can’t wait to put horse meat on the menu. Of course to D-bag, upper-end is likely Olive Garden and there is no chance in hell they are going to start serving up Mr. Ed Penne any time soon. He also doesn’t mention that even though horse meat is available for human consumption in Canada, you have to look pretty hard to find it in a restaurant. He also tells us that horse meat is the most nutritious red meat there is and that consumption of horse meat rises during economic crisis because it’s 50% less cost-wise. He leaves out the part that it would be cheaper because horses are not raised to be food animals so what you would be eating is somebody’s former saddle horse that has been given banned substances and may or may not be diseased. D-bag never really mentions where he gets his stats from.
Slaughterhouse Sue and her band of slaughterphiles are all in absolute raptures about D-bag’s media blitz and there is more for us all to look forward to. He says he has already spoken to Time Magazine and that Russell Brand has asked him to be on his late night FX show. Personally, I would pay cash to be a fly on the wall for that one. For those of you that don’t know, Russell Brand is a vegan and his sense of humor would be considered irreverent at best. I’m very excited at the prospect of this one happening and I’m hoping they ring up Slaughterhouse Sue for good measure. You just can’t write comedy this good! Let’s hope that Brand’s people bring him up to speed at what the real facts of horse slaughter are and he can have some fun at D-bag’s expense. It may not be as good as getting Suey to storm out of a meeting, but it will come awfully close.
As funny as it is to see it in print just how stupid D-bag really is, it is frustrating too. These reporters who probably never have given a thought to horse slaughter or the horse industry aren’t educating themselves and researching prior to speaking to people like D-bag. They are giving him a forum to spread the UH propaganda and that’s a bit concerning. Suey is vowing to give the horse slaughter business her undivided attention now and that means we’ll have her running around shooting off her mouth too. We need reasonable people to call them on their lies and present the facts. The truth and research are on our side. It’s not a time for complacency. Here is a link for an action alert for Valley Meats’ application for a grant of inspection to slaughter horses. Please take the time to make the calls and fill out the forms. Let your voice be heard. Horses can’t speak for themselves, so it’s time to step up as an advocate and do our parts. It doesn’t cost you anything but a few minutes of your time. (https://secure.humanesociety.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=5935&s_src=hpbb20130301)
Duquette and Wallis are notorious for making up stuff, and unfortunately, as you pointed out, the media does not help by unquestioningly and uncritically accepting their statements as fact. What’s really worrying is the ease with which everyone tosses around these costs and metrics, which are amplified and repeated by anyone with an internet connection. The average person can no longer discern fact from fiction.
The media doesn’t seem to vet this information any either. How many news outlets published Charlie Stenholm’s statement that the US slaughtered 9,000,000 horses per year and employed 400,000 people in slaughter occupations? It was the horse people who had to ask these industry pubs to retract/correct this information.
Oh please Russell Brand have Save Duquette on, please oh please oh pretty please!!! He he he !!!!!
shedrow do you mind if I put this flyer on my fb page? We really need to call out all our forces right now. thanks!
Link whatever you want. Time to rally the troops for sure!
Riddle for the readers:
When is a feminine hygiene product neither feminine or hygienic?
When Douchebag Duquette is the delivery device.
Good stuff, SrC……I’m am going to reread several times to savor the full douche bouquet.
Oh shit that was a good one Denise LOL
I promise you we’re not all village idiots in Oregon and quite honestly I’m surprised they allow him out of his sty to shnuffle his gooey lies on
the unsuspecting public. He should come with a label ”This is what your parents warned you about.” Must have devastated him when they passed no more horse tripping in this state, wonder how he’ll entertain his sick self this rodeo season? Russell Brand must be rubbing his palms together at the thought of DD sitting on his stage. I’ll make a point of learning how to record for that show alone.
Did they get that bill about horse tripping passed or is it still in it’s first reading? I know you’re not all morons in Oregon. D-bag’s home town doesn’t even approve of what he’s doing. You have my sympathies!
I thought the bill passed , I maybe wrong. Sympathies accepted. At least he’s a days drive away from me.
Kathryn:
Evil moves without roads, airplanes or bugs. It moves with apathy, ignorance and greed.
Douche and $uey are making headway on HCHS. I’m not saying they are right, but the media and legislators are aiding and abetting the lie.
Where to begin??? Hmmm lets see. So he’s NOT involved with the slaughtering of any horses… So, what happened to that so called RESCUE, REHAP, facility that him, and I’m sure Holy Theresa was going to implement a few months back in OREGON!!! Wasn’t he also going to donate, and or lease the land??? **** D-bag also proudly tells us that he’s never had anything to do with horse slaughter and he doesn’t `think’ he has ever sent a horse to slaughter in his life. *** So HIS point is??? He’s advocating for “Slaughter” but he’s also patting himself on the back, for actually NEVER participating in this horrendous “Sport”!!! I’m surprised we don’t see pictures posted on the Internet, with some Hunter holding up his dead prize, of lets say a Clydesdale that he slaughtered, and gutted. D-bag’s gives hillbillies a bad name.. Are those banjos I hear in the background?!?
He basically clarified for us that NO American’s; and it seems, mostly third world countries enjoy eating contaminated meat. They also (third world countries) enjoy torturing Bulls, with swords and knives, and or setting their horns on fire, until they die from the fumes, and or burn to death as Entertainment… Should, we then endorse those “sports” here..
As far as euthanasia of an equine, I do believe the cost varies quite a bit, from state to state. Over 5 yrs ago, I paid $600 in Vet fee’s to euthanize a horse, and I then paid $150.00 for the rendering plant… But I’ve never heard it cost up to $2,500. Mei’s dos think he is stretching the truth just a bit..
Lets keep in mind that even though different parts of our country has been going through different natural disaster, such as droughts or floods. That the predominant precursor on our hay crop, is (once again Agricultural related) that the Farmer’s of America have found a way to increase their folds by many, and at the cost of the American consumer. We now sell roughly 1/3 of our hay crop to China, and Asia and it is my understanding that these contracts are subject to increase. So, lets add this up shall we? The Breeder’s flood the market with major over-breeding, and then create a shortage of feed and HAY mostly, so as to be able to price gouge the American consumer, all the while the Farmers are raking in record profits, from their over-seas customers… So we (the American Consumer) are in dire straights, and MUST slaughter our Equine to save them from starvation. Sounds like a set up to me!
P.S. Don’t forget that slaughtering and consuming YOUR own horse is also still legal… As is consuming bute directly is still legal (Not recommended, but legal just the same). Guess no “Blue” laws to save you from your own stupidity yet! Horse-meat just NOT for commerce.
I saw that show on CNN yesterday where Maseleine Pickens was suppose to be on. They had some famous chef who grew up in Italy and has eaten horse. He has a bunch of restaurants. Won’t put horse on the menu here cause it wouldn’t be well received. He might if he opened a restaurant in Europe. They gave all these stats about how healthy horse meat is. While it may have all those benefits they claim AMERICANS DON’T EAT THEIR PETS. And not one word was uttered about the dangers of Bute.
Another article out of England yesterday said that you could eat 500/600 horse burgers before reaching toxic levels of Bute. Seems in England according to the reporter Bute is insignificant in terms of danger.
I tried to post a counter to that. Not sure if it’s gonna be seen or the reporter will do a follow up. Would be nice.
Other articles have tied slaughter with the mafia of all things.
About the slaughter plant in New Mexico there are several thing to mention. 1. With this country now in sequestration how do they propose to inspect this plant? Who’s gonna pay? I dont wanna. I don’t want our wild ones filling the belts in these slaughterhouses. I should have a say. And advocates should have a stronger say since cattlepokes have already had them removed. No one mentions the violations this slaughter house has had slaughtering beef. It’s like a clean slate.
Transport violations aren’t going to stop because the horses no longer go over the borders. Why do people seem to think they’ll somehow disappear? And the use of the captive bolt? Even Temple Grandin’s state of the art slaughter in Canada can’t get it right. Why should we believe anything different? Because we are Americans and suppose to be so cultured? Pardon me Webmistress but all I can say to this is BS!
Bute isn’t going to change things at all. There will still be the contaminated meat. You can’t undo what’s been done. And BLM like it or not our WILD HORSES AND BURROS are not yours to send to slaughter no matter how much you want to chow down on a horse burger.
Sorry for ranting. This stuff has been wearing heavily on me the past several days. I apologize if I stepped on toes here. It was not my intent.
The lunacy about their 500/day burger limit is that it’s completely wrong. The problem with But is that they don’t know what a safe level for a human to ingest because it varies from person to person . These idiots think that ingesting adulterated horse meat is like eating e coli contaminated meat and they’ll know right way. I would liken it more to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Some mothers can drink during pregnancy and the baby will be just fine. Another mother can have one drink and mess up the kid. So, they don’t know what a safe level of alcohol for a pregnant mother is and they say zero tolerance is the only safe way to go. Sometimes somebody having FAS doesn’t become apparent right away either. All these concepts are way too abstract for the slaughterphiles. They can’t even appreciated the difference between a drug clearing the blood stream and having it in the tissues for good. People that worked with asbestos could tell you what permanent contamination is all about. It is beyond frustrating to see them twist things around and spread lies. I’m with you.
Yeah…about about the formula or theory of 300 horse burgers in 365 days?
The horse meaters have been HAD and the press, governments and industry trolls are playing the play it down game.
It really does benefit us when $uey and Douche speak out. Especially, Douche. The more he talks, the more turned off people are about meat in general. Keep talkin’, Douchey. It also benefits us when $ue is photographed. Here is a pic of a woman who eats horse meat. Well. There you go. I have a feeling that $ue has a nasal whistle when she talks, too. I suppose the greasey glow to her skin & hair can be attributed to her high intake of any old meat. The pic of Douchey gnawing on …a dog leg? or is it some other family pet?..makes me want to puke…his goatee/ballsack all greased up..bleck.
He is a repugnant individual for sure.
Oh, and SRC, I believe you miss printed La Douche….he wrote on several formums….. “70 % of the worlds country’s eats horse meat.” (cause he likes them apostrophes!! Theys fancy!!) His writing would be downright entertaining if it wasn’t such a pack of lies. That “70% of the worlds country’s” statement is his favorite. I’ve seen it before. It’s his most favorite pretend statistic, I do believe.
Like I said, one person in ever country could eat horse meat and then you can say every country in the world consumes horse meat, but it doesn’t exactly give you the entire picture. Yes, I wish he would write out more statements for the comic value, but it seems he is being `managed’ to a degree. That’s why I would love to see him get on a talk show with somebody like Russell Brand where they don’t just edit in a few marginally coherent sound bites. Let’s show everybody what a true PSA looks and acts like. Then they can decide for themselves if this person should be an authority on anything.
I think he would chicken out. He doesn’t have sense enough to match wits with the likes of Russell Brand…or Howdy Doody, even..
That’s the funny thing about stupid people…they rarely realize they are stupid.
From page 6 of the 2008 Alberta Horse Welfare Report
“Horse Meat Consumption & Trade Worldwide
Over one billion people, or 16% of the world population, eat horse meat.”
In other words, 84% of the world population does NOT eat horse meat.
http://equineenews.osu.edu/documents/HorseWelfareReport1-AFAC.pdf
Thank for the stats. Pro-slaughter people really hate statistics. I wonder if they will ever give this fight up..
I had to have my 30-yr-old QH mare euthanized in December. Cost $115.00 + the $45.00 ranch call. I chose to have her cremated, which was very spendy, but I’d had her since she was 2-yrs-old and was willing to make that investment. It certainly wasn’t necessary, just my choice.
I was reading this while eating lunch and when I got to the picture of Suey & D-Bag I about puked. Thankfully it was followed by that beautiful horse and I managed to save my lunch.
It’s a beautiful 50+ degree day in Montana, the first in a long time, and I’m heading out to play with horses! See ya later!
Yes, we recently had one put to sleep and privately cremated. The cremation was not cheap, but all totaled it came nowhere near to $2500. I also don’t expect most people to go that far after the fact. We have also had horses properly and privately buried (ie.with simple casket and headstone) and that wasn’t as expensive as cremation. The price I was quoted had we chose the landfill option was about $50. There are many economical options and if you have any animal, they you need to realize that at some point you are likely going to have to make an end of life decision and sometimes you’re going to have to make it on very short notice in the case of illness or injury. I guess put another way is that by the time I have to consider euthanasia for an animal, it would not be kind to move them onto slaughter and all that entails. It is not a kind end of an old or sick animal and according to D-bag and Suey those are the ones they are so concerned about. All a bunch of lies…
Euthanization & burial total about 400:00 dollars around here…maybe less. I’m not sure what the cost is to use the landfill. I don’t care if it did cost 100.00 or 1000.00. I still wouldn’t send my horse to slaughter/torture.
Me either. As I’ve always said, I don’t care how they handle the body as it won’t make a difference to the horse, but I care very much about what happens to that animal as long as they are alive. There is nothing that would ever make me send a horse off to slaughter. Nothing.
I too had my horse cremated, and it was $1500 but I’d do it again if I could not find a place to bury him. I could not bare the thought of him being all cut up and put in a BIG pot of YUCK at a renderer. It was money I would spend again and I asure you finanically it hurt but not enough to not do it again. It was less than 3 months of board so I was able to put that money back on the credit card and was paid for as I would have been paying board if he had lived. Its not for everyone but I look at his little memorial everyday and think of him and how much I love and miss him. A small price to pay for good memories.
Ohhhh…ohhh…ohhh!
Vice President Biden is being quoted as saying, “YOU NEED A 30 ROUND CLIP TO HUNT?…..THEN YOU AIN”T A HUNTER OR MARKSMAN.”
Let’s extrapolate….you need 100-200 horses to breed to 1-4 horses for performance that get past 4 years old…..then you ain’t a horseman. And if you sell to HCHS, you most certainly ain’t a meatman….you’re a dumper sweet cheeks.
Just like if you’re horse’s worth is based on meat price, you may need a new hobby. Any breeders I kno personally, would be mortified if one of their horses ended up in a kill pen. That’s not what we breed for. But, we don’t breed everything that has a uterus either and your stud fees are only a few hundred dollars or free, then you shouldn’t be breeding anything. We’ve all seen that NT doesn’t have the first clue about conformation or even what makes a nice horse. She bases that on if it doesn’t buck her big ass off or kill anybody. Somebody like that should not even be allowed to breed animals. I’m relatively offended that she bred herself. Like we need more morons in this world 😦
Everything you all have said. Post tweet and RT. and I hope many read all of your on point comments. And in my mind, I see Russell Brand pushing DBD down on his knees and unceremoniously riding him like a bronc. Don’t even know if they will be in the same room, but it is a wonderful sight in my brain.
I know for a fact that the PSAs watch this blog like a hawk so I was debating whether to mention the Russell Brand . Then I realized it was win/win. D-bag will either chicken out from going on this his show or he will go on that show and we will wet our pants laughing while everybody else realizes how stupid and uniformed the slaughterphiles really are. This is who they have as their front man so you can only imagine how stupid you have be impressed by him. I am leaning towards really hoping he does the show.
You know, our neighbors really like cat and dog burgers. We go around and take all the unwanteds and stick ’em in a cage until we have enough for a kill. We don’t really water or feed ’em cuz they’re just meat on the paw so anyway, some of ’em scream a bit (especially the puppies and kitties) cuz they’re so thirsty and stuff, but not our prob. When it’s time for the kill, we just take a big ole nail and pound it into their little skulls….they wiggle and yelp, but whether or not they die is not a concern; we just hang ’em upside down and start stripping for meat since it’s ultimately humane due to them not starving to death, being old or limpy. The breeders will just breed more anyway. Our neighbors love the stuff so we make a lot of bucks. It’s healthy meat too cuz the extra drugs they get make ’em “extrie savory” !
Americans don’t eat animals who are taught to trust and serve, but we don’t care about that or the suffering or the American majority, we just want to make mega bucks (and we’re too dumb to think of other ways of dealing with overpopulation cuz geewhiz, we might have to pay…nope it’s just $$$$$$$ for us..that’s the only solution). We should probably consider horses too as they are taught to trust and serve….we could make some big ole bucks off of their suffering.
So, what’s it going to be for dinner….it’s Saturday night ?
Beware of the slippery slopes! Lord knows the PSAs warn us about them enough!
Good point, except I would then ask …show us the numbers.
They just make those up or refer back to the very slanted and widely discredited GAO report. Mendy Tobiano once said they don’t need to back their `fact’ up because they are all horse people that just know. I’m paraphrasing, but what she meant was they are facts because they said so. See what we’re dealing with? Losers.
Because I likes to get a little nitpicky:
In the realm of meats most Americans eat- beef, pork, chicken and fish (let’s say tuna, cuz that’s what my notes say) – and including horse, horse ranks a paltry 4th in protein content – behind beef, chicken and tuna, so that part of big d’s argument sucks rocks.
There; nit all picked.
Also sucking rocks in a big way is big d becoming a media anything, but he must have some charm; even the media is not totally clueless (recent history to the contrary). So this leads us to conclude the media may possibly not be a source of viable information but instead may possibly be a front!! for agendas unpopular with the majority of the citizenry.
Man. I hate when conspiracy theories start showing some merit!
I would bet you money that venison ranks above horse meat as far as consumption in North America. The only thing is, it’s not exactly a commercial market that they can take stats on. I know a few high end restaurants that offer it, but generally you have to hunt or know a hunter to get your hands on it readily .
I think D-bag is the voicebox, because he’s the president of the UH. The UH are the loudest and proudest official slaughter organization out there besides the IEBA and I really don’t know why they haven’t been part of this media blitz. I have a feeling we are about to hear a lot from Suey though.
I had to hunt high and low to find a nutrition site that even gave the nutritional content of ‘horse’; I had to go overseas.
I have no doubt that venison, elk, prong horn or most wild meats are consumed over and above horse meat – here, in a country where pretty much nobody who’s been successfully potty trained would eat horse.
Perhaps IEBA’s silence is due to that minor backlash from Europeans and Brits – sue’s much-touted Foreign Legion of Chevaliers – utterly brassed off at finding ground horse meat in their Wheaties.
But I do hope sue and the rest of the social elite stick with smooth, well-read icons such as big d. With the accent on appearances being EVERYTHING, sue and d constitute Ideal Representatives of this important, relevant and humanitarian industry…..
Good God; I couldn’t even finish that thought with a straight face.
I think having Suey and D-bag being the faces of slaughter serves us well.
I too will wait with baited breath (and an empty bladder!) if he goes on Russell Brand’s show. Crikey!
Sequestration is cutting current meat inspection jobs anyway, so I’d say at least right now, there is a 0% chance of the government hiring and training new inspectors for horsemeat when less than 1% of the us population would eat it. (see there, I made up my own statistics which make more sense than his anyway)…
Yes and it doesn’t exactly put much money back into our economy. You can see on kaufmanzoning.net that for a $42 million profit, they paid $5 in federal taxes by using loopholes. Then you can see what they cost the town that hosted that little shop of horrors. No, taxpayers don’t want any part of funding something like that. That’s why I put that link on the bottom of the page. We all need to speak up!
SrC:
$42 mil profit depends on whether they are being honest, audited and tax loopholes allowed by Congress.
I suspect profit is…err, WAS much more than that. The profit will start, if not already shutting down. Why? Because this so called pricey horsemeat is winding up in ground beef products, which suggests dumping the product…serious, expedited dumping.
BTW, if the idiot $uey thinks she is going to shift markets after the EU scandal and required EU standards over to Asia, I’ll buy a ticket to that USEF export-China mediation table.
China is the largest equine slaughtering country in the world.
$uey thinks she is going to cut into the Asia market?!? HAH!
That’s where D-bag was so stupid. He was all holier than thou when Pacelle said that Italy was our #1 consumer or something. He pointed out that they weren’t even in the top 20 of horse eating countries or something. Again, the fact that every country that eats horse meat doesn’t buy from North America escapes them. China isn’t a big buyer for our horses and neither is Russia as he would suggest. They are going to have a very hard time pawning our tainted horse meat off on any western country very soon.
Unfortunately, Douchebag, $uey and Congress (and maybe even corporate ag) are completely fucking up our entire livestock and livestock export system.
At this point, if I was Cargill,Swift, Tyson et al…I’d get off the “slippery slope” bullshit argument and stop supporting HCHS.
Fuck Farm Bureau…they are MORONS and I’d go buy insurance some place else.
That’s why I don’t get the cattlemen coming on board with them. They are shitting in their own nests to want horse slaughter back. It will compete with them for inspection funding and as soon as the US is directly involved in any of the dirty meat scandals, it’s going to put the rest of our meat producers under a microscope they may not find comfortable.
The cattlemen/meat/livestock folks are completely consumed by their “slippery slope” theory. In the fevered little brains, they’re *sure* if horse slaughter is “banned” the next thing will be cattle, pigs, poultry, etc. They see the horsemeat ‘scandal’ as a pimple on Wallis’ expansive behind — not very significant in the long run. That’s why the organization called “R-Calf” (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) has joined the lawsuit with Valley Meats to sue the USDA in order to press the FSIS into issuing permits.
http://www.r-calfusa.com/news_releases/2013/130221HorseSlaughter.htm
If ANYONE ever actually believed this was ever about the welfare of “starving and neglected” horses, it would be interesting to hear their explanation as to why special interest groups like this (cattle growers) are throwing their hat into the fray. (hint: it’s not because they “care” about horse welfare)
Take horses and cows out of the equation and just say you heard about somebody that sued a government entity for not allowing somebody to start up a business that was going to negatively affect your own. Who would do that? Well apparently the cattlemen involved in this suit are just that stupid. What I find strange is I know a lot of ranchers and grew up on a ranch myself. I don’t recall any of them being this stupid and I actually don’t know of too many that were pro-slaughter for horses. Must remember to thank my parents for hatching me in a civilized area!
SrC and Howard:
I think the basic issue is the current meat livestock, and other food stuffs for that matter DON’T WANT CLOSER SCRUTINY as it is basically self regulated now.
“Slippery slope” $hit is about distraction, not intent. They don’t want regulators and consumers looking closer….about ANYTHING.
What they (corporate ag) don’t understand, is they are screwing the proverbial pooch. AKA…to stop closer scrutiny, support all “anti” ag bills, regs, etc is fucking up your market. But I do not suspect the NCBA has even the slightest concept of this marketing magic.
Now, we still have problems with exporting US beef in many countries and Russia has basically said, fuck you America…we don’t want any of your “meat”.
Fucking dumbasses…just like Congress and state houses.
Someone should make a 501(c)3 organization called “the united horsemen” which could then make an anti slaughter website. This would confuse people as there would then be a The United Horsemen, United Horsemen, and United Horsemen’s Association. I really think this would diminish their voice.
Not a bad idea, but they claim to be non-profit, which is shady as hell to begin with.
Think there was a short lived effort (guess the paper work got too tough) by the killers themselves to do a variation of Equine Welfare Alliance.
But of course, Berman’s Consumer Freedom Federation (or what ever the multi B$ acronyms are) still plays the non profit game….and Congress and the IRS let this troll walk.
Personally, I can’t wait until August 1 when the EU starts refusing our horses. So far, Canada and Mexico aren’t in compliance either. I don’t know if they are going to try or not, but time is getting short. Anyway, WE certainly won’t be. I have a feeling that the USDA is just stalling the old boy because THEY know that this will be tied up in litigation till the cows come home – no pun intended 😉 Even New Mexico itself promises litigation because they don’t want this thing.
After August 1 it won’t matter – no market, no slaughter plant. And, right, they’re NOT going to get China which at the moment is contemplating a ban on all meat from the UK! They won’t want our toxic horses. Russia? Not a chance. They already ban most of our meat for several reasons. Take our toxic horses? I don’t THINK so. Growing market in the US? Come ON! That’s bad even for DD.
Besides, I just found out there is stuff afoot in DC. I’ll let you know more when I have more details, but it appears as is we stand a pretty good chance to reinstate the defunding – Moran Amendment – for 6 months at least – this is another 6 mo. budget thingy. Are they ever going to pass a real budget? Who knows. If we can get the Moran Amendment passed for 6 months, we can probably get it done for the next 6 months. This is an extremely BAD time for any of those guys to vote FOR something that the public hates and will cost them as well.
One more item. Our NM slaughter guy recently said he was going back to cattle. Suddenly, he’s staying with horses and has enough money to sue the USDA. Hmmmm? Now where did that bread come from out of the blue? Interesting, no?
Hang in!
Thanks Suzanne. I have learned a long time ago not to get too excited when Suey starts announcing `big’ things in the works and `full steam ahead’ for horse slaughter. She has still never really addressed the whole drama in Missouri once it was discovered they never actually owned the facility after telling everybody they were going to be ready to roll within weeks. These people lie. My only real issue is that they are out in the media spreading those lies and the reporters don’t seem to doing any sort of fact checking on what they are saying.
Suzanne:
Don’t walk to the bank to make a deposit yet.
Not disagreeing with you, but the Congressional leadership, weak White House and anything can happen with moving funds by Secretary of USDA…..
The North American HCHS’ers are dumping and spreading horsemeat. I think that they see the writing on the wall and are panicked, ergo, dumping.
Oh…and folks here are watching the infamous auctions and feedlots…especially the notorious KB/slaughterhouse holding lots on the borders.
Won’t say anything more.
$uey getting cash for a lawsuit/friend of the court/amicus brief?…OH PUHLEEZE…….a meater lobbyist gave her the cash and probably paid for the attorney….most certainly had to do the spell check.
Hey…there is a good question! Who filed the brief, legally that is in NM?????
I think it’s all on that IEBA news release I linked earlier. Suey has no money, but you can rest assured the Belgian boys most certainly do. Non-profits aren’t supposed to lobby, so she leaves D-bag holding the bag at UH and being her talking head and she is fronting the IEBA for their two pronged approach. I guess we’re supposed to be afraid of all these organizations lobbying for slaughter when it’s really just the same bunch of morons reinventing themselves. I fear now that she has convinced herself that his is seeing her departed husband’s dream to fruition, she isn’t going to let up any time soon. The rest of us can’t give up until we shut her down once and for all.
About he two zoo processing plants mentioned , the one in Colorodo states that besides zoos it sells the product to greyhound racers I thought the ban was for human consumption but have read that they banned horsemeat in dog food but of course meat by products could be anything from any rendering plant Anyone know the exact wording on it. To be honest I would rather see a horse go to feed an endangered species or keep an animal alive in the pound an extra month than to just euthanize and poison the ground. I dont know that I could ever actually do it but they do have knacker trucks in other countries. Its the overbreeding because of the safety net and tranport and processing that bothers me not who or what eats it .
We covered knacker trucks a month or so ago. I could actually live with that as it wouldn’t mean suffering and shipping to slaughter. I wouldn’t personally choose to do that with my horses, but I wouldn’t condemn somebody for using that option if it was available. What happens after death is of no consequence to the animal, but I care very much what happens up until then.
deb:
If you are worried about poisoning the ground…..equines are the least of your concerns.
You are regurgitating $uey speak.
And this country has a system similar to a knacker; it’s called the vet with either burying, composting, rendering or cremation.
Horsemeat in dog food is not banned…..people just don’t like it to feed their dogs and cats. I feed my dogs what I eat.
Our sewage systems do more to contaminate ground water than a few euthanized horses….just sayin…
Denise
Im pretty familiar with euthanasia I’ve paid for enough when the owner’s couldnt afford it because it was needed for the sake of the animal. . Thanks for jumping to conclusions
deb:
You apparently are NOT familiar with euthanasia statistics and those impacts for equines OR other species.
You apparently are NOT familiar with industrial/factory farming, chemical applications on farmland and the impacts of same on watersheds, aquifers and surface waters and wildlife. You can throw in extractive resource industry (Deepwater Horizon, gold and diamond mining, open pit mining, mountain toping, etc).
You apparently are unable to comprehend my post.
You are the one getting defensive, jumping to conclusions and essentially saying things that are not true or factually substantiated.
I have read all of your posts subsequent to our first exchange. You don’t seem to be making any cogent points.
The information is out there, if you want to find it. However, don’t go to $uey and Doink’s website to find truth….more like horrific fairy tales there.
We also have rendering plants that will pick up your horse’s body. Plus many other options. http://www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/body-disposition.php
An endangered species that was plucked from it’s natural habitat and forced to live an artificial life for the entertainment of humans that don’t know any better. That species is already extinct, or would prefer to be. Feeding them horses that died a horrific death only continues the horrific cycle and it’s all based on profits and greed.
I don’t buy the “poison the ground” argument but the Pros sure like to use it (they really do need new material).
What is that crap growing off of the Douchebag’s chin???
I think they are pubes…it’s not a good look.
Excuse me but there are animals in danger of extinction that are not being exploited People who are trying to save them from extinction and rescue them from unfit homes or circus life Sheesh look for the negative much
Then perhaps they shouldn’t be used in circuses or be privately owned, but the PSAs like to fight those laws too because they feel they are the master race that should be able to own and abuse anything they see fit. Like I said, many big cats live in the wild and never eat a single horse. They don’t NEED horse meat to survive.
I don’t buy the conservation argument. If they really wanted to protect the species it would be done in their natural habitat and not in an artificial setting for paid entertainment. Zoo’s are big business. Bottom line. Next time you visit one ask them how many of their surplus animals are sold to canned ranches. There’s a lot of ugly that goes on behind the manicured lanscaping. So no Deb, I don’t look for the negative – they provide it. Sheesh.
SrC is right, wild animals should not be in circuses, nor should they be at theme parks or privately owned. But that’s a whole nother blog….
The legislation is for HUMAN CONSUMPTION ONLY. Always has been. Horse slaughter for non-human consumption is legal, always has been. One of the Texas plants tried to hold on slaughtering horses for the non-human market but couldn’t make enough money to stay open.
So D-bag spouting off in the media about having to import `millions of pounds’ of horse meat for zoo animals is a confirmed lie. Thought so…
There are slaughterhouses that butcher equines for other, nonhuman consumption in the US….supposedly for the exotic market like zoos, sanctuaries, etc.
There was an infamous shithole in New Jersey; maybe someone remembers the name. These facilities are inspected for sanitation and animal welfare and I think this turd eventually got shutdown (like the asshole in New Mexico) for violating sanitation and safety, etc violations.
Slaughtering equines is not banned in the US….it is unfunded for inspection for human consumption…and the very same US equines are not banned for “EXPORT”…LIVE. You can slaughter and eat your own equines if you want.
Why do advocates have to keep explaining this to people?
The places that slaughter for zoo food is in the link on this blog entry.
Whoa whoa whoa. You are reading way too much into my question and comment. For one yes, I would rather see a body used to help an endangered species such as a tiger rescue instead of in a landfill There was NOTHING mentioned about exploiting animals but yes endangered animals or rescued big cats need a place to go. Landfills and rendering plants don’t do any favors for the ground or scavenger animals . Accusing me of being like Sue is a freaking joke I spent 15k of my own money rescuign horses this year and the year before and the year before .
so shocked i forgot part 2 -3 2 if its not ok for pet food then why is the processing plant in Co. selling it do greyhound racers , last I knew greyhounds were dogs too. and 3 why is meat by product – horses skunks etc from tallow ok for pet food . Where is it written that it is banned for pet food is my question
I don’t know that it is banned. What I gather is going on, is there is enough money to strictly slaughter for the pet food market where they wouldn’t need the USDA inspections, to make that profitable enough. The article I linked, pretty much stated there isn’t a huge demand for it and those horses they use are mostly dropped off by their owners.
As far as why it’s ok for pet food, well I guess that depends on how much you care about your pet. My dog eats expensive food and no byproduct or horse meat. I don’t feed any of my animals garbage. I see it as an investment in their health and less vet bills in the long run. Most people that race greyhounds aren’t so much concerned about longevity as they are performance so they probably don’t care if their meat is `dirty’. I can’t speak for the big cat people.
I don’t see the ground water contamination as an issue at all. They are more concerned with a few properly rendered or composted carcasses but not worried about putting adulterated meat into the food chain for humans? Really? I have seen no studies about euthanized animals contaminating ground water, but we have seen that no amount of banned drugs in tissues is safe. Don’t buy into their propaganda. Research it for yourself. If they lie about everything else, why would you believe them on that issue?
I don’t think it legally “banned.” BUT the collie breeds and individuals in other breeds cannot be given ivermectin, and owners don’t want to take the chance since Ivermectin is THE most used wormer in horses. Also the pet food makers are quite aware of the strong aversion most Americans have to horse slaughter and don’t want horse meat on their labels.
My brother works for the countyi pollution control He has studied for years ,so its not so much “their” propaganda as it is his job to keep tabs on things that contaminate . If people are ready to attack me without knowing me how on earth did anyone expect to sit down and have a rational discussion with the opposite side? No wonder there has been so much namecalling and no discussion. Vets recommend horsemeat for large cats . While horses are being overbred they are in danger. While horses are being shipped to foreign dogs and cats are dying because shelters can’t feed them and shelters are closign from lack of funds. Slaughter stops tommorow are you all goign to pay the euth and rendering plant for those who will never do it , cant afford it and or cant bury? No what would 100,000 more horses a year in rendering do to the ecology? How is it nobody else sees the real obvious answer that we could donate our animals or animals that cannot be put down to serve another animal. This debate is goign to go on forever if people don’t stop being so emotional and defensive. People eat fish with mercury people still smoke and use drugs you can’t control what they do to thier bodies but you can think outside the box and find a real solution instead of bickering for the past umpteen years . We ended back at square one and now plants might reopen. See the problem ?
typo – an animal that needs to be put down but the owner cant afford it
How much does a singe bullet cost? Who doesn’t know somebody that has a gun? If you can’t afford to euthanize your animal, you can’t afford to own one. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. Sooner or later that’s going to become an issue in owning any animal.
I have not attacked you at all. If your brother has conducted all these studies, by all means link us up to his documents and research findings. Because he thinks so isn’t anything scientific or factual to go on. I’m sorry.
Vets recommend horse meat for large cats? I believe they probably don’t recommend drug laced meat for the same. Personally, I think there is no place for having those animals over here in captivity. BTW, horse meat is not part of a wild Tiger or Lion’s diet generally. Zebras are sometimes, so maybe we should breed them so people can continue to hoard exotics? The real point is they survive in the wild without ever eating a horse.
You are getting your chickens before your eggs or vice versa. While horses are being overbred they are in danger? How about as long as you provide slaughter houses you will never discourage overbreeding because you give these people an outlet. Not sure what your point about cats and dogs in shelters have to do with anything. Perhaps we should follow the PSA line of thought and butcher them for foreign markets since lots of people eat both?
No, if slaughter stops tomorrow I’m not going to pay for all the butchering or rendering. If it stops tomorrow, the people that own those existing animals will still be responsible to take care of them just as they are now. The problem with PSAs, and I’m really beginning to think you are one, is you fight every animal cruelty law that is brought to the floor. I would far rather my tax dollars go to enforcement and punishment of animal neglect and cruelty than to torturing them. I would rather the USDA continue to inspect our own food supply and not some foreign niche market.
No, the obvious choice is not to `donate’ your animal for torture. That’s cruel and poking your head in the sand. I have cremated horses and I have buried them properly with the casket built around them in the hole. No contamination. Composted in a landfill is no contamination.
The reason we have ended up at square one is because people like you refuse to look at the truth or big picture. You don’t seem to understand market correction and cause and effect. I’m sorry if that hurts your feelings, but this is hair pulling argument right now. How can you claim to be anti-slaughter and then regurgitate every myth the pros use time and again? Myths that have been debunked time and again?
Documentation?
The reason I asked where it says it is banned is because I have seen several posts swearing it was – not here particularly but the ASPCA for example.
Then I suggest you ask the people that have stated it is banned. I don’t have time to do their research for them.
lol fair enough
Torture ? you were saying a bullet was fine before . You posted that some large animal centers can accept horses . Why is it now wrong to suggest it exactly ?
Generally, if you are wanting to put a horse down they have some illness, injury or infirmity. Yes, shipping them to a facility to kill and process them, even if it is for large animals is cruel. Maybe I’m not the best person to have this argument with because I have been present and held every animal of mine that has ever been put down and that’s not just horses. They were not afraid or stressed and they were handled gently and respectfully just as they always had been. Anything less than that, I consider cruel.
It’s always entertaining to hear the pro-slaughter, anti-environmentalists, climate-change-deniers and industrial-farming defenders all of a sudden get all “concerned” about ground and/or water contamination from chemically euthanized horse carcasses.
Even if their flawed math was correct, (which it isn’t) and 100,000 horse carcasses were rendered, buried, cremated, composted, etc., each year, the environmental impact wouldn’t even *begin* to touch the damage to the surrounding land and water that a horse slaughter plant inflicts, as evidenced by the mile long list of environmental violations that many of these plants have had.
There are already 800,00 – 900,000 horses that die each year in the US according to the AHC statistics and the carcasses are being disposed of — along with millions of other animals that are chemically euthanized each year.
The feigned “concern” over some additional horse carcasses being disposed of is just another angle the pro-slaughter contingent likes to use to try to convince the public how badly horse slaughter is ‘needed’.
Yes and the actual statistic of the number of horses that are slaughtered each year is something like 1%, is it not? So this 1% is going to tip the scales into an environmental disaster? Wow.
No , not at all Im neither pro slaughter or an enviromental freak Its a real issue. You say the meat is bad for humans and bad for animals because of bute but a body overdosed to euth is going to be ok ? We can’t dump motor oil or toss a battery because what it does to the enviroroment not giving a crap about the consequences is why we are having real enviromental problems
Its a real concern for the people who cant afford euthanasia or don’t have grounds to bury on what they can do with their animals. donating a horse to a zoo or wild animal rehab center as long as it is shot clean is a pretty sensible solution for those people and would be a lot more cost effective and natural than letting big cats shelter animals or horses suffer .
I don’t think anybody has a problem with how you dispose of the body. But if you’re going to shoot it, do it at home and don’t stress or terrorize that animal. I still firmly believe if you can’t afford to euthanize your animal, you really need to not be owning them.
I think 1% is correct.
SrC:
The number exported to HCHS is roughly less than 2%.
Figures are based on numbers of equines in the US born, living, deaths and those equines from the US exported for HCHS.
American Horse Council and USDA, to include state ag agencies do census every so often.
John Holland of EWA allows follows and formulates numbers.
Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was a very low number and that the number shipped to slaughter has remained stable, so the only thing domestic slaughter will do is change the location.
The number (percentage) of equines sent to slaughter for human consumption is not strictly a reflection of living equines. It is currently a reporting function of the USDA….doesn’t mean they have the numbers right or what is the difference between a Mexican, Canadian, US equine headed to slaughter for human consumption.
Currently, HCHS of US equines sent to export slaughter is up (EWA has the current stats). Slaughter numbers have risen. This is a function of the economy, legitimate equine industry contraction (like the overall economy). There are a few other issues….like hay and feed costs, etc.
It is anticipated that the killers in CAN/MEX are clearing their US holding lots in anticipation of the EU enforcement and now with the EU horsemeat scandals.
Neither of those countries have a suitable or approved traceability system for their own horses either. The shitstorm is coming whether they like it or not.
I’m not a pro slaughter person. But a few days ago I did ask can you cremate and bury those ashes without contaminating the soil or ground water.
I had no idea if you could or couldn’t. That was basis for my question. I don’t believe anyone has actually answered that and if they have–I missed it.
Ok, I’ve cremated horses privately before. They have a LOT of cremains compared to a house cat or even a person, obviously. What happens is you get an urn the same size as a large dog’s urn would be and then they give you the rest in a cloth bag, that is in a plane container. I bury those remain in their containers.as that is my choice. However, spreading them to the wind would have no more environmental impact than the millions of humans that get cremated and spread to the wind do. For the very few horses that do end up cremated, I can’t see it as a problem, nor have I ever seen it as a problem. The crematorium I have dealt with has certainly never cautioned against how to dispose of the cremains either and we didn’t sign any waivers.
SrC:
You were certainly more patient and polite than I would have been with “Margaret’s” so called question with no answer.
The bottom line is where you live, specifically county and then state disposal laws regarding where you live.
To ask that question means you haven’t tried to educate yourself on the subject, don’t own animals of any species and basically just don’t give a shit because you haven’t dealt with a human or animal loss in your family or at worst, disposed of same irresponsibly.
Seriously….I just cremated my older dog and the facility asked if I wanted to pick up the cremains or let them spread them in a mass dispersal in the sea. I brought her home and will decide later.
She asked a legitimate question and it deserved an answer. Other people read this blog that may not want to ask in the open. Look at it as a chance to educate some people and debunk some of the lies that the PSAs spread. There are truly people that sit on the fence that seek information and there are people that have been pro slaughter that have changed their mind when they get the facts. Lots of people that own horses for recreation probably haven’t had to deal with disposal all that much if at all. A surprising number actually.
SrC:
My point is, if you are an involved human in your community, state, the Nation and basically, your own life you find the answers and make a decision. The info is out there and you have to find out what is required in your locality. No one walked me through my decisions…I decided what was needed, evaluated my resources and options by the county and state I lived in.
Her question cannot be specifically answered because:
(1) I don’t know where she lives; and,
(2) I don’t know what specific cremation of remains she is talking about.
Proslaughter advocates don’t give a shit about any of that.
She did ask and she also stated she is not pro. I will answer anybody that asks a polite question. That’s how you educate people. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of us sitting around agreeing with each other and that doesn’t accomplish a single thing.
They are in danger -meaning cats Big cats are being wiped out in their natural habitats , big cats that have been owned as pets or who have been injured and neglected cant survive in the wild so they have to go to rehab shelters for the rest of their lives The breeding programs in the US are about the last stand for many species . When 1% is 100,000 large animals a year it is a big wow. Just because someone shouldn’t own an animal doesn’t mean that they dont . They do lots of them .
Again not pro slaughter but if you think you can fix it by arguing with me on the internet instead of actually doing something to find an alternative then mby all means. Don’t say euth clinics is an asner I can count on one hand how many donations I’ve received to help ours
Well given your defeatist attitude towards slaughter, I’m guessing you wouldn’t be my first choice to donate to, but that’s just me. I’m not here to fix things for big cats and all other species. That’s another blog for somebody with more knowledge and passion on the subject than I have. However the problems you outline are man made. Humans interfere with their natural selection and habitats and then all of a sudden it becomes this huge problem for us to solve. Just the same with the wild horses.
Your harping about euthanizing horses just doesn’t hold up for me. I asked you to link us or provide these studies your brother has conducted to back up his opinions on environmental contamination and you have yet to do so. The fact is there are legal disposal options for all animals and the reason they are legal is because it is a safe way to dispose of them. That means safe for the environment and scavenger animals. Is every handling facility perfect? No. But nothing is perfect and there will always be assholes. If somebody improperly disposes of an animal, then enforce the existing laws. You’re right that people own animals that shouldn’t. That’s why there are laws on minimal care standards for them. However, the slaughterphiles fight those laws too because they think they should be able to abuse their property as they see fit. You want solutions? It starts with stiffer penalties and enforcement of animal cruelty and neglect laws. Right now, most people get a slap on the wrist. Dorothy Robertson has been convicted on three separate occasions in different states for animal neglect and abuse with multiple counts and has yet to spend a significant amount of time in jail or banned from owning animals. She just picks up and moves to another state and starts the cycle all over again. Fix the broken system and stop taking the easy way out by just slaughtering the evidence of neglect. It’s just not that hard.
Bottom line, nothing will change or further new ” humane” business growth until slaughter is stopped for good …ie…stopped at the borders, no transport, no horse slaughter period….nada….the end. Until that happens, it’s just the same ole torture greedy fest rolling down the same old torture greedy fest hill
The VEW report would probably be a helpful read where comparisons are made of yearly overall livestock disposal numbers. Bet the big cats would be open to eating all the other livestock that are mentioned in that report – seems to be enough to fit the bill.
You’re reading between the lines. I did not say anything about large scale processing for slaughter ever. I think I even stated that the transport and process is inhumane.
What I said that if a knacker service would dispatch the animal and that horse could go to help another animal that seems a better alternative than bringing back slaughter here , shipping them across the borders or hoping people will do the right thing. Barbituates from euthanasia show up in animal feed . Rendering plants use 1/2 ton of waste water for each ton of animal . The EPA is who publishes studies . The Fish and Wildlife publishes studies Rendering does not remove barbituates If the carcass is left out scanengers die from carcasees that have been euthanized .There have been a few of rendering plants charged by the EPA for enviromental problem just like the slaughter plants . So even if euthanasia is used those animals are really not supposed to be rendered. Just off the top of my head this article explains the problem with euthanized animals in less dry text than the EPA papers. You’ll also see where rendering is not recommended for animals that are euthanized.
Again no way am i saying processing on a large scale . Im saying a knacker locally to dispatch humanely and proper disposal or reuse for other animals is an option that may work to take slaughter out of the equation
http://cpharm.vetmed.vt.edu/usfws/usfwsfpentobarbfactsheet.pdf
There is nothing here I didn’t already know. So, don’t try to send your chemically euthanized animal to a rendering plant. Okay. You can bury, use a landfill, cremate. So what else is new? There is still NO reason for the horrible cruelty of slaughter. NO WAY.
Sheesh im not some slaughter troll guys really dont jump to conclusions im saying that slaughter and expecting people to do the right thing are not good enough answers because both of those are failing miserably . But Ill leave yout be I guess Im not explaining it well enough or havent stated enough times im anti slaughter of horses . Ive never sent one to slaughter auction or let suffer Mine have never missed a meal , hoof trim dental or shot but somehow because I suggested that people stop arguing and to find a real viable soluttion im as evil as a killbuyer . wow .
I think you just like to argue. Clearly, most people that comment here are anti-slaughter. Several people that comment here are very active advocates for ending all slaughter as well. Several of us agree that knacker trucks are a decent compromise. However, they don’ make the meat unadulterated magically. Do you own a gelding? Guess what? He’s probably not eligible for human consumption. Acepromazine is a banned drug for animals intended for human consumption just like Bute is. Most horses that aren’t owned by redneck assholes have had Ace given to them for various reasons ,gelding being a main one. You seem to want to harp on this ground water issue again and again. I have told you very clearly that I advocate for safe and legal carcass disposal depending on where you live. Those laws are there because that is deemed safe for the environment in any given area. I actually don’t know of a single person that has gone to the trouble to humanely euthanize a horse and then just left the body to rot right where it fell. That is far more likely to happen for the bullet euthanizers in which case there is no contamination concerns. Again, there are laws for that sort of thing. ENFORCE them. If you want to extrapolate on your line of thinking, we should shoot all the dogs and cats in shelters too so they don’t contaminate our environment. We are talking about less than 1% of all horses being the big concern. What about the other 99%? Many of those are eventually euthanized and disposed of properly and there are no environmental concerns. I can’t explain it to you any more clearly or lead you to abstract thinking. I’m sorry.
Not every horse that dies other than by slaughter is chemically euthanized you know. Mine wasn’t. He just passed on before the vet could get here. We did bury him deep however.
This is a link to state-by-state regulations about disposal.I didn’t see a single state that did not allow burial.
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/horses/facts/humane_horse_remains_disposal.html
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make-sequester-painful-promised/
No way h
I can’t see how they can justify funding inspections for horse meat with this going down.
The slaughterphiles in Congress and USDA Sec Vilsack will find a way.
deb:
You do realize the US equines (wild and domestic) in (actually since the 70’s to now are not raised as a human food animal….right? They have no traceability, no production records, no withdrawal times and slaughter differently than cattle, pigs, poultry, lamb/mutton.
And if you are worried about water (whatever the source)…..then you should be more concerned about farming, mining, deforestation, urban sprawl, dog/cat euthanasia, etc than equines. That was my point.
I think SrC is correct….you are mistaken that you are right, using a proslaughter contamination of water spin and basically don’t want to educate yourself.
Carcass disposal is decided at the lowest level (county/parish/locality). USDA and EPA get involved when there is some type of toxic waste or viral/bacterial epidemic and the animal(s) is (are) deemed hazardous waste. You know what they do then deb? THEY STACK ‘EM UP AND BURN THEM! IN PLACE! Geesh.
I haven’t lived in a state yet, that the renderer won’t pick up an equine carcass exposed to euth pharma. Cheap? Not really.
We bury how many humans annually? Contamination? Ha!! That ship has sailed…
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Ole Shedrow shines more light on on the equine social sickness known as Dave “Doink” Duquette!!
It is imperative that each time these idiots open their mouths, that’s when you know they are lying, that we counter their atrocities with the facts. As you know, they cannot stand it and have no rebuttal but we must be there to call them out speak correctly and accurately for the horses.
100% agree.
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I agree with all of what you are saying – when I had my horse put down, called a vet & had him buried – where he lived – on the farm where we boarded for 12 years. I believe it cost me under $350. And again, I agree with whoever said that $100 or $1000 – it didn’t matter – He mattered. For all the years & the joy that he gave me – the cost wouldn’t matter. I realize unlike many of you, I only had the one horse – financially, wasn’t possible to start over again. As was said, if you cant afford to do the responsible thing at the end(and its the same for a dog or a cat or any pet) then buying one shouldn’t be an option.
BUT that said – it sounds like Deb (above) is trying to do the right thing. Just because she’s not on the same page as others? We need to get along – all of us – what’s the saying? Together we stand – divided we fall???
If you all hadn’t worked so hard to make a difference (and I’m a latecomer) we wouldn’t be at this point – which is farther along than it was.
One more thing – Duquette & Wallis are almost caricatures – how much harder would it be to go up against someone who was believable? Be grateful!!!!