I’m human. I’m not saying that in the Joseph Merrick sense or anything. (That would be The Elephant Man to you Philistines out there and yeah, his name was Joseph and not John like in the movie). I’m saying it in the high road sucks sense and sometimes I just gotta wallow. So, I’m going to give myself permission to do a bit of that today, but I’ll also tie it up in some context so I can continue to delude myself that I’m not being completely petty. I’m actually not. I do have a point with most things I post and today is no exception. Just bear with me while I get to the actual point of things. In the meantime, pull up a seat and grab your pumpkin spiced whatever and let’s get started!
I’m sure a lot of you know about this already, but let’s rehash. Last week, right before the village idiots got shook down for 17k, Manson and her screeching sidekick Jonathan decided to dazzle them all by showing how a 30% vet does intakes so much better than 100% vets. It was pretty much a bullshit job from start to finish as various lies fell out of her lying lie hole, but the weight tape thing had me snorty laughing right out loud. Seriously. Manson went into this great spiel about how the weight tape isn’t always accurate as far as numbers because some horses can be ribby with big bellies (kinda like MOST of theirs are), but you can still see if the number changes and just go by that. Well, a knot in a piece of bailing twine would do that for you too, but only if you measured the right part of the horse. Right there on camera, Manson unintentionally demonstrates how NOT to use the weight tape. The directions are usually right on the tape FFS. How hard is that to figure out? There is a diagram and everything about where to place the tape. It actually explains why so may of their horses look like complete shit, because she thinks big belly = healthy weight gain. Then she lies some more about not giving Banamine right way if horses are dehydrated or something, but most of us who aren’t high on horse drugs or opiates remember her hitting every single horses that got off those loads from Louisiana with Banamine, wormer etc. with absolutely no consideration as to whether or not they were dehydrated. I’m not even sure she knows how to tell if a horse is dehydrated without her magical SAA machine. (cue Manson furiously googling `dehydration in horses’) She also generally loads up every auction horse with Banamine and Dermosedan before they even get on the trailers or she has her ass barnacle, Robyn, do it if she didn’t manage to get out of bed that morning. So, I’m not really sure why she felt the need to come on camera and lie about intakes and amaze us with her complete ignorance and lack of knowledge, but I’m sure the village idiots were suitably impressed and primed to dig super deep for the big ask that was coming. Maybe that was the point all along. It actually kinda worked for a while.
I addressed the permit drama a bit on the last post. It was yet another big ask after greasing up the village idiots. It’s also where we get to the semantics part of this post. I don’t think most of us ever really doubted that the village idiots would cough up the cash nor did anybody other than the village idiots think they would be getting shut down. I’m actually a bit surprised it’s taking them this long to raise the funds as they’ve seemed to stall out around 7k (they are claiming $1500 in paypal as well), but that’s no biggie considering we still haven’t figured out what all the extra cash they’re asking is for since they refuse to post any letters or official sort of documents. They also don’t want to answer direct questions like, why have they known about this for a whole year and are only asking now? Since Manson has dropped the love vibe schtick lately and can’t answer anything without going on a profanity laced rant, HiCaliber has elected to allow Angrid field most of the questions since she’s mainly just angry and snarky, but a bit better at the verbal gymnastics than Manson. From what I can gather, Angrid is saying that they didn’t technically `know’ since last year because they’ve been in talks and going back and forth with the county. That’s not exactly true. They did know since last September that they were going to need some sort of permit and they even knew, given their numbers and activities, what that permit was going to be. It’s really nobody’s fault other than their own if they were operating under the ego-bloated assumption that they could talk their way out of having to follow the same rules as every other resident of that county. In fact, even though they weren’t entirely honest and transparent in this video (go to minute 24) it does show they were meeting with the county as far back as early May about this situation. They also knew they were out of extensions before they came to the village for money. To me, and most logical people, that would suggest they left things until it was at crisis point whether it was intentional or due to stupidity, that’s the fact of the matter. However, here is where we are and they need the cash for right now. Brace yourself for them to be needing more because they actually should be getting a Tier 4 permit since they always have over 100 horses on the property except on days they know an inspector is coming. Given the amount of grief they have been getting lately, wouldn’t you think they’d just knuckle down and cover their asses once and for all? Why fudge this process and risk the fines? I don’t get it.
I was sent this spread sheet by an awesome reader. It is a 30 day snapshot of the money HiCaliber has asked from the villagers and mostly received. For those of you that are lazy, the grand total of asks is $42,485 including the permit money. Think about that and look at the list. How is spending that much money buying, that many horses in one month even remotely close to rescue? Looks like a horse trading spreadsheet to me and then you have them even begging for water and Gatorade? Really? Manson was even asking on live feed for people to send duct tape. That’s ridiculous and irresponsible. Next month the totals will be similar with a variation on headers because they realize the village idiots won’t twig that they keep needing more and more money every single month and it’s nearly always time sensitive thing. That’s actually a page out of the bad rescue red flag list. Go ahead and google it up and you’ll see HiCaliber ticks a lot of red flag boxes. Not all, but a lot. Certainly enough to make a person pause. The other issue with this list is where is their other funding sources? Most other rescues get grants and sponsorships so they aren’t nickel and diming their followers into the poor house. If HiCaliber can’t manage to do the same then perhaps they need to put a real board of directors in place and get a whole bunch more professional. While we’re looking at this list, how many of these auction purchases have they ever posted an update on? I’m still kinda waiting for the updates on the Louisiana horses which I’m sure will come in right around the same time as the DNA results from the paper bag of hair Manson claims to have.
I’m going to preface this next bit by saying this isn’t about fat shaming. I know lots of larger riders that are lovely riders and they are `light’ riders too. Just the same as I know smaller riders that are complete loads and ride really heavy. Part of being a light rider is empathy and I think the pictures above show a distinct lack of that. This past weekend, Manson and her chosen ones, went on a poker ride. Naturally this was cause for much vulgarity and crude humor as Manson and her merry band of gunsels proceeded to take their show to new territory and inflict themselves on a new group of people. Besides the drunken antics and lewd and inappropriate comments to the ride organizers, Manson was extremely preoccupied with the horse she was riding, Jelly, dropping his penis. Actually, Manson has been preoccupied with penis in general quite a bit on the live feeds lately, but in this case it was Jelly’s manhood that held her attention as she attempted to photograph it from various angles before getting somebody else to do it for her so she could paste it on the HiCaliber Facebook page with the hashtag `dickpic’. Because nothing says `professional’ like sexualizing the horse you claimed to rescue. What the rest of us saw as a horse that probably just really wanted to pee but she was too ignorant to get up off his kidneys so he could do just that. Howver, let’s say he didn’t have to pee because, to be honest, a number of the HiCaliber horses looked pretty drugged. I’m talking lip drooping and birds tweeting around their heads kinda drugged. Let’s say Jelly was just hanging his thang out because he was stoned. He was still stretched out like he was in pain. Do you blame him? The saddle on him clearly is digging into his withers with not enough or the right kind of saddle pad on him and Manson is spilling out over the saddle which doesn’t distribute her weight properly and help matters either. I’m not even going to get into the rider weight to horse weight ratio. You can draw your own conclusions on that. None of this can be comfortable for him. Poor horse! Next thing you know he’s going to go `behavioral’ or end up with a fistula on his withers either of which could eventually land him on the dreaded `euth list’. Poor thing has already been subjected to The Fice for a short period of time, now he’s become one of Manson’s go to mounts because she’s still too afraid to get back on her own horse since she fell off him. #Freejelly
Not to be outdone by her new BFF and mentor, Amanduh put her horsemanship on display yet again as she rode the infamous and drugged looking Dawson on the poker ride. Dawson is not available for adoption but is still being funded on the donar dollar because Manson has 4 other personal horses already living for free at HiCaliber. Amanduh of the $75/hr lessons and classical training can’t seem to figure out how to tie a rope halter properly. This didn’t stop Manson from loudly boasting to an unsuspecting and glassy-eyed ride volunteer how all their horses are bitless and use rope halters only because they don’t need them with Amanduh swigging on her beer and nodding in agreement. This was before the bitching and moaning about not being allowed to ride on the paved bike path because Dawson was too tired to walk in sand or something and just generally being in appropriate and gross. I’m guessing self awareness and social graces aren’t cool in the HiCaliber culture or something. At least they impressed themselves.
Ok, this is me being a little bit petty. It amuses me. It seems like Amanduh is always on the wrong lead on videos lately. It certainly isn’t an intentional counter canter she has going on there since the horse has zero collection or engagement going on, so I’m guessing she just doesn’t know any better. What’s worse is it feels like complete shit and four flat tires to be on the wrong lead, so I’m not even completely sure how or why you would go more than about two strides without fixing that shit. I knew my leads before I was 5 years old, but I realize not everybody is lucky enough to grow up with that opportunity. Still, it’s a basic skill and one of the first things you learn when you learn to canter or lope at whatever age that may be. You don’t even have to be `classically’ trained to learn that either. It’s pretty basic. Personally, I think if you’re going to teach other people to ride, and especially if you’re going to charge $75/hr to do so, you should be able to figure out if you’re on the correct lead or diagonal yourself. Actually, if you’re going to teach others to ride you should not only be on the correct lead and diagonal, but you should be able to feel it without looking. I actually feel sorry for the people who sign up for lessons that are going to be learning wrong. Sadness.
See all those names on the screen shots above? There are 117 names and those are all the horses and donkeys that were intakes in 2016 that are no longer alive. One hundred and seventeen. That’s more than an average of two a week dead. That’s not to say that some weren’t legitimate compassion pulls and some died in foster or other places for legit reasons, but you can pick out quite a few WTF names on there. Horses that never got the courtesy of a goodbye post or any acknowledgement at all before they were erased from the website as if they never existed. Be careful about asking after them on Facebook as you’ll likely be met with hostility and banning. Not all these horses died last year, but not all the horses that died last year were intakes from last year either. How about we see how we’re doing this year so far?
This is the horses that have been 2017 intakes that are no longer with us. The change to that list is that Adagio should be added and Fila should be Fili (not sure of spelling). Again, some horses were legitimate compassion pulls but the majority of these animals died at the other end of Manson’s gun. 56 of the 2017 intakes are already dead with a few that probably won’t be with us very much longer. That’s 173 horses dead in the last 21 months averaging 2 per week. That’s a whole bunch of bullets. To be clear, this is just a list of the 2017 intakes that are no longer with us. More than that have actually died this year. You gotta wonder what that takes to be able to shoot that many. In contrast, two other rescues I follow lost horses in the last week. One from natural causes and the other was put to sleep aka not shot in the face. Both horses had nice tributes posted on their respective pages. They were honored and, I’m sure they are mourned. One of these things is not like the others…
I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t aware of the antics that play out on Facebook. I don’t really get it, but I’m aware of it and from time to time, I even look in on some of them. Lately, it’s a bit difficult to tell who is who. You have Angrid and her goons on the poop page flinging turds at the horror story girls and then we have the break off groups of the same people in some cases and in other cases exiled people or ones that need to be on their own power trip. I’m not entirely sure of the dynamics there nor am I sure which ones post here other than the ones that are in direct email contact with me. That’s our little secret though, so no worries there. What I really don’t get is why y’all need so many groups and what does any of it have to do with me other than you like to grab screen shots from here, because for some reason I keep getting blamed for your fuckery. I don’t really care one way or another because I’m all about information getting passed along, but I think we need to pump the brakes a bit with the group creation. Now y’all have created a private group to discuss HiCaliber with Angrid and it can’t be public (saw it anyhow, thx) because Angrid needs a safe place and was getting uncomfortable with being called on her bullshit. This is even though everything is getting screen shot and passed along anyhow from both parties, so wtf is the point? I do not care if this costs readers here or what, but half of you `horror girls’ are becoming just as bad as the village idiots. It’s drama, drama, drama all the time. I’m counting the days until I can put this to rest and I’m beginning to think that some people are going to have a hole punched in their life when it is all over but the crying. Remember those names I just posted above. That’s why I’m here. Why are you?
Now that I’ve pissed off both sides of the equation, I want to remind you we’re headed into another Tuesday fund-raising extravaganza. tomorrow Donations have been down and lies are going to be spun. No, they didn’t run out of horses in Texas, New Mexico or whatever other place Manson pulls out of her ass to say a new kill buyer hails from in order to loosen some purse strings. It’s simply not true. Why would somebody drive 1700 miles to a sale that habitually has less than 10 horses run through each week, in a state where shipping to slaughter is illegal? Keeping in mind they would drive across several states that have lots of horses and it is legal to ship to slaughter on the way there. Misner does it because it’s in his own back yard practically and he collects horses from all over to get his buddy Chavez to launder them for him, but even a bottom feeder like Misner still isn’t going to ship stallions, grays, or skeletal horses because they won’t be accepted at the border. Stop paying this loser to clean up his messes. Please. Before you open your purse strings to buy from a kill buyer please read the screen shot below. It was posted in an anti-slaughter group. I’m happy to credit the person who wrote it if that is his wish. I take it he’s a trader or trainer. Learn it and live it and share it everywhere. Keep a good thought for those poor horses that are going to be exploited tomorrow. We’ll reconvene here in a few days to do a postmortem, I’m sure. Ciao for now!
Shedrow Confessions 
So according to the (thankfully) short live feed, match racers and flippers are lined up to hike the cost of this “famous” racing mare who just had a 6mo old foal pulled off her and is 5mo pregnant? That’s a tough sell. No wonder they’re waiting on someone (Misner) to pull up with this week’s rough shape poster child.
Yes, this mare that is actually in better condition than anything they have standing on their feed lot. They would like you to suspend belief and help them to downgrade her.
She is a nice looking mare, and history proves, HC is not the place for a pregnant mare to be. Forgive me for not being able to recall the name of the mare who suffered so long in poor body condition after foaling. It’s hard to remember the horses when HC chooses to forget them too.
The one from Louisiana that went to Pet Matchmaker looked terrible after foaling and they had plenty of time to get her up to a decent weight. Seems HiCaliber doesn’t actually follow up with their adopted horses or they would have intervened there.
Hi C Denaly name changed to Savannah.
I hope a private buyer gets the dunn mare. I don’t want her to go to the feedlot! Loved listening to them talk about her markings I have dunn horses. They are just so ignorant about everything horse related.
Denaly/ Savannah?
Yes. that’s her.
First time I have ever heard of a dorsal anything being located on the legs. Manson had Romney searching for `dorsal stripes’ on the mare’s legs. It’s like she doesn’t even think about wth she’s saying.
“Can you see if she has dorsal stripes on her legs” was one of the highlights for me. Dorsal literally means that it’s on their back. She must have missed that day of 30% vet school.
Just another example of her hearing something and then adding it to her own vernacular. She doesn’t understand the terminology she uses so always outs herself as counterfeit by using her new words wrong. I’ve fed some at her through this blog and it’s been pretty funny watching her try to use it. Diagnosing a luxating patella as she is backing a horse up was a personal favorite of mine. I also still crack up at her interpretation on what `lesions’ were as it pertained to EOTRH as she lied about Deacon being seen by a vet. A month later she was a google expert on EOTRH and diagnosing it herself.
And surprise, she isn’t pregnant.
I bet that bid was run high jsut because it was them.
For the HC villagers… 6 months is the normal weaning age and since the mare is 5 months in foal, the mare should have the 6 month old foal taken off her so she can finish out her pregnancy in a healthy manner.
Manson doesn’t believe in `forced’ weaning. She lets them self wean which is why she has a 2 or 3 year old that is so attached to her mother she can’t do a damn thing with either of them so they are dumped off at Becky’s parents’s place for them to deal with. I’ve taken them off earlier than 6 months if the mare was getting too run down or cranky with them. Depends on the situation.
Me too… as early as 3 months one time because of the mare not giving milk and pushing the foal away.
I saw a bunch of giddy women, two horses, one with a very big wound but no vet? Did Manson debride that wound herself?
Darnit! This was a remark after watching the posted video of Reba and Aurora. RIP #HiCaliberReba
Fascinating that HiCilliber posts photos of a ‘random’ match racing horse at auction today. Those races are illegal. Interesting that rather than call the proper authorities they continue to do business with people associated with illegal activity.
Helping to end matchracing and bust kill buyers would cut off their money supply so they won’t do it.
Exactly
Because everything they do is illegal so what’s the big deal. They see nothing wrong with illegal.
I doubt they really know much of anything about match racing, anyway. A lot of them are held out of state or even across the border and guys ship horses back and forth. They just know that the match racers compete for bids at auction so they must be bad! (Not saying they’re good, but probably better than going to HiCaliber)
My way of thinking is if this is such a `famous’ match racing mare and it’s an underground sport, what is she doing at auction? Seems to me they’d get more money on a private sale to the community that knows her. I can totally see match racers picking up fresh off the track TBs that are relatively sound or even QHs, but they want those speed balls so not every OTTB is a prospect for them. Once again, Manson throws out a scary term and tries to create drama to gain money.
That’s what I thought they claim she has won 14 races if so why would theu sell her at auction?
I’m not well versed in the match racing culture but I’m guessing 14 races isn’t a big number for them considering how often they are said to run those horses.
Exactly. Match racing is an underground sport, but there are races where the prizes are tens of thousands of dollars. They don’t sell their big winners at Ontario.
Shed,
I did have the exact same thought as you earlier. I even started typing, but since know so little about the subject of match racing and how it all works I thought better of it. It made no sense to me that he would have to take this incredible mare to a livestock auction to sell her. But then I thought maybe he had several people interested and thought this would be the best way to get top dollar for her…..tell them all to go to the auction. This still does not explain why he would just hand her over to HC for 50-$1k. As per usual nothing makes sense.
What I can see is these guys going to a horse auction to buy TB’s etc for potential prospects, but this whole other story just seems off. All speculation and as usual we will all be left wondering what the truth is.
Of course they can’t call the authorities, their money making scheme, I mean their revenue stream, Hell I had it right the first time, would dry up and blow away.
Not enough sick horses to bring in the dough today, so let’s try sick cows. Unbelievable. Everybody empty out the couch cushions so these compassion pulls can be seen by the 30% vet and shot with a 50 cent bullet, leaving plenty of cash for the slush fund.
A KB from TX was mentioned yet again too 🤣
He must have made his fortune off those 4 horses he allegedly sold to HiCal for $3000 last week. Totally worth the expense of coming all the way from Texas!
A lesson in meat production economics.
I’ve simplified it a bit and used per pound (pp) prices instead per hundredweight prices (cwt).
Kill buyers will not come to California to buy horses to ship to Canada or Mexico. There are far too many places local to them where the can purchase horses for shipment that are far cheaper and easier to deal with than the California auctions, prices, regulations and the general public/rescue groups.
The kill buyers don’t want skinny horses, they pay too much for what they get. The current market price for horses is .50 – .65 pp. Yes, the skinny horses cost less but there is the issue of retailing that horse and slaughter plants don’t want animals that they have to fatten up just like they don’t want cattle, hogs or sheep that have to be fattened up. So a kill buyer from Texas comes all the way to CA to purchase loose horses (meat horses) and pays upwards of .70 pp for a horse = $770.
Now add in the fuel and wear/tear on the rigs shipping back to Texas, paperwork that is needed by California, Texas and all states in between, you easily have another .40 pp added to that individual horse. That one horse just cost the kill buyer $1,210. If he has to hold that horse until all drugs are cleared from it’s system or, for some unknown reason he doesn’t have enough to make his contract, he has the added cost of housing that horse and feeding it because he doesn’t want it to lose weight because that cuts into his profit. I can hear it now, well he already has his yard and feed. He has to figure in those as part of his overhead and believe me, he isn’t going to absorb that cost. He’s a businessman, nothing more. USDA inspectors still haven’t tagged that horse for meat production, that is yet another cost. Yes, USDA has to inspect and tag all animals being sold for human consumption that are being shipped. I don’t know what the USDA fee is anymore and never knew what it was for horses, just beef cattle.
Then when he does have his quota to make his contract, he has the added expenses of shipping those horses to Canada or Mexico. Canada doesn’t really need the headache of dealing with horses coming in through customs from the US when they have plenty of stock there that they won’t have the expense of weeding out the ones that need weight, etc and most horses coming out of the US are full of drugs of all types that have to be purged from their systems before they can go to slaughter. Canada pays better prices than Mexico so if the kill buyer is shipping to Mexico, he HAS to keep his per unit price down to a minimum or he is losing money every time he ships. If he ships to Canada, he has to put his name on the line that each and every horse in the load is free of drugs and ready to process.
I can’t go on because I’m not a fan of economics in meat production and yes, horses going to slaughter are considered meat production so pull up your big girl panties and suck it up buttercup.
Do I approve of horse slaughter a huge F’ING HELL TO THE NO, will I ever endorse it NEVER but it is a fact that horses in all other parts of the world are bred, raised and sold for slaughter just as are cattle, sheep, poultry and fish (aqua farming). It all comes down to the bottom line on the expense vs profit column, will that animal turn a profit for the businessman (kill buyer).
So was there a kill buyer from Texas there? I don’t know, probably not.
Misner is not a kill buyer, he’s a horse trader and not a very good one at that even with his HC connections to dump his bad buys on.
So villagers, go back and dust off your math and economic class books and do the math because the dollars don’t add up for an out of state kill buyer to come to a really low end auction in California to buy slaughter horses when he can pick them up locally for about $75 – $100 a head (.068 pp – .11 pp) and most of those horses may be skinny but they don’t have drugs in their systems and most feedlots have free feed hay for the stock because they don’t want them to lose weight and gaining weight is even better.
I know I won’t be believed and that I made up all those numbers, but a little research will back me up.
Yiu explained that very clearly ! Thank you!
Thank you, economics classes were a very long time ago and I think I sprained my brain doing the math.
Misner does ship horses through Chavez. That’s well documented. It’s not his sole source of income as he’ll wheal and deal all livestock, but HiCaliber has opened up another stream of revenue for him for sure.
Okay, I wasn’t aware of the Chavez connection. My bad. Misner is a shipper and a horse trader. If I could revise, I would to correct that. Spouse of my heart was a long distance trucker for many years (15+) and is in the process of giving me numbers on what it would cost to haul CA (Los Angeles) to Texas.
Animal Angels have been tracking Misner for years. He’s still listed as a KB on their site and they have reports of him in NM at sales with Chavez.
Thank you. I will have to do further research. I’m sorry I painted him with a cleaner brush. What was that line about known by the company you keep?…. maybe HC and Misner should think about that.
Yeah, I’m geeky like that
Nice work!
There is a new rule from the EU that states all horses have to sit on Canadian feedlots for 6 months prior to processing – both Canadian and US horses. I’m not sure what the impact of that has had on US kill buyers, although they still have to have to the paperwork stating the horses are drug free at the border.
I haven’t been following the slaughter news up here in Canada like I used to (it just gets too depressing) but I think some plants have stopped processing horses because it isn’t economical anymore.
Bouvry, which is one of the biggest Canadian plants out west, owns a holding lot in Montana from what I understand.
I was able to do more research on economics last night regarding the “Texas Kill Buyer” that HC conveniently trots out but never produces.
Per Spouse of my heart who drove big rigs for 17+ years all over the US and Canada:
The big 18 wheel stock trucks carry up to 50,000 pounds payload weight / 1100 lbs average per horse = 45 horses but realistically most that can fit in those trailers is 38 head and that is crammed in tight. So those are the numbers that I am using.
Dallas, Texas to Los Angeles, CA = 1,400 miles / round trip = 2,800 miles.
Fuel 700 gallons round trip @ $3.25 per = $2,275.00
Drivers (2) – 80 hours (this is driving time) @ $25.00 per hour = $2,000.00
Driver Meals – 6 meals per day for 6 days = 36 meals @ $20.00 per meal (average) = $720.00
Plus wear and tear on the rig – each company has different schedules but to figure $6.00 per mile x 2,800 miles = $16,800.00 (these rigs take a lot of abuse)
Total Expenses per round trip = $21,795.00 per load on top of stock cost of $770.00 per horse x 38 = $29,260.00 + $21,795.00 = $51,055.00 / 38 = $1,343.50 cost per horse.
Plus you have interstate transportation fees that the shipper has to pay to cross state lines and have each rig approved by that state. Those are very expensive. That cost is added to each load as well. This all assumes that the kill buyer owns the rig outright. If it is on payments or leased, the cost could be substantially more. Since horses have to be guaranteed drug free for the EU/Canada market, they would have to sit on a feedlot consuming feed for a certain number of days or months before they could be sent to a plant so there is more expense per horse and then you have to profit that any realistic businessman will expect to make.
I don’t have the information on what Mexico or Canada pay for horses, I ran out of research time last night but I’m pretty sure that Mexico won’t be paying those prices for slaughter horses.
I’m over the economics thing. Never liked those college classes anyway.
I was putting hard economic evidence to refute gossip and fables.
I’m not sure what they are currently getting per pound at the plants, but obviously enough to make shipping profitable.
I know horse brings $20 a pound in EU
I think the plants pay between 75 cents and a $1.25 on the hoof. Everybody takes their profit all the way up the ladder.
Misner definitely has connections with some bad guys and I’m sure he hauls some out to NM that do end up going to slaughter, but at this point in California, there’s so much more money to be made just by the threat. I won’t ever forget hearing Leonard Grenier, who used to ship to slaughter (back when it was legal), fairly recently talk about some bleeding heart suckers who were coming to buy some horses off of him. The horses were never going to ship (he didn’t do that anymore) but these people thought he was such a bad guy, they were coming out to fork over $500+ a piece for some broken down old horses he had just gotten for free the day before.
Isn’t CBER still alive and well too? $cam has made a fortune on `the truck is coming!’.
*500 – $1k
Dang it! How did I miss this? I have been blissfully unaware all day. God, I hope the horse gods slapped that HiC crew in the side of the head.
Nope, Bubba found one for them to buy, but in the meantime they bought some cows, llamas and a pregnant mare to stop her from being match raced. You know, because heavily in foal mares all end up being raced and all. I’m surprised Romney Faye’s nose didn’t bump the lens of the camera from growing so fast.
It must have been a big disappointment for the auction team that Bubba couldn’t dredge up a more pitiful soul than the swayback old man. He looks to be in decent health. As Michelle always says, it’s those tear jerker stories that really make the dough roll in.
I’m sure they’ll make up something before they get all the way home.
Damn.
Well, I am sure all those who donated to the desperation fund for the permit are feeling kind of special being made fools of – again.
Romney, dear put upon Romney, sacrificing her peace of mind again. Such a come back! HI ROMNEY! Well, who else but Romney would know that there are secret pregnant mare match races? Must have learned that at Misner’s knee.
Never heard of racing lactating mares….or pregnant mares…appears she was both….I actually think I saw Romney realize that a second after she admitted the mare had recently been nursing…lol…….can’t make this shit up.
See? Learned something today – by cracky!
I’m really glad she reminded us all she was grieving again today. I had almost forgot.
Lol!
LOL!!!!!
There’s a very old joke about Pinocchio that ends with “Lie to me, lie to me”. I think Romney is Pinocchio.
LOL!!! I know that joke!
I hear you Shedrow. Got to keep the grind on HiC because just like not taking the full course of antibiotics the numbers will creep back up soon as they feel some breathing room. I saw many folks asking good responsible questions – that was refreshing and I THANK YOU SHEDROW because you had the heart to dig in and beam the truth into our brains. #IAmShedrow
I’m thinking the groups are to wear folks out with BS witch hunts and dead ends. The poop group is a tired out sling fest. So what? The public is being used again. We can rest assured Manson has her cash. 47K in a month? Obscene. HiC isupporters could care less about the horses. They should be ashamed of themselves.
#FreeHiCaliberJilly #RIPHiCaliberFlloyd. #RIPHiCaliberTreat #FreeDawson
The poop group can fling turds all they want, I’m going to keep on telling the truth and facts. I don’t respond to bullying, so they have no power over here.
Thank you.
If HiKill was a legitimate rescue they would have no problem answering questions and would not delete posts and ban people.
They would create a sustainable model for funding the number of horses that they can realistically provide feed,vet, farrier and training for.
The posted a receipt for the mare. That’s a first in a long time. Now, let’s see vet certs for all these dead horses. Let’s have Manson come clean with the ones that have died in the last week. Won’t be holding my breath.
Did you notice that receipt said “Unpaid”? So it’s more a statement then correct?
THey posted both. I’m sure it’s paid. I’m currently enjoying the live feed of her crying over pigs getting eaten and telling us how jealous we all are while constantly making references to this blog. Hi Manson! No changes planned for the immediate future! Don’t go away mad, girl. Just go away!
Yummmmmm baconnnnn
Wonder what will happen if “the village” doesn’t come up for the $1000 for the grey they took on faith.
I”m sure he’ll be `neuro’ and have to die if that happens.
So let’s lift that broken leg and expect that steer to hop on up on a broken leg. Are these woman real?
Wait… a broken legged steer? that went through the auction ring? I thought that even this auction didn’t accept severely injured, sick or emaciated animals. Maybe I misunderstood.
Ontario is a cesspool. Manson was claiming one still has it’s umbilical cord attached although they looked a bit big for that. Animal Control should have been called. It’s illegal as shit what goes on there and through that ring every single week and HiCaliber doesn’t report because it’s the only auction they are welcome to attend.
None of these calves are young enough to have an umbilicus still attached. They are several months old. They are definitely in very poor condition. The vet she took them to diagnosed the lame one with a joint infection which probably occurred b/c the umbilicus wasn’t dipped with betadine after the calf was born. It can take a while to manifest itself.
Did anyone notice that Michelle seemed very rude to Romney. Romney asked for something and Michelle sort of snapped at her and told her to find Robyn. Then when Becky and Michelle were leaving Romney was at the truck saying bye and Michelle didn’t even look at her and just sort of brushed her off.
Romney wanted the cash Manson was packing and Manson wasn’t giving it up. LOL.
actually, good for Michelle, I wouldn’t have given her the cash either. But I am a bitch.
That’s because Michelle is “nobody’s bitch” & she expects everyone to bow down to her. Like it’s a privilege to be acknowledged or liked by her.
It must be so wonderful to be in a relationship with her.
I don’t think Bang Bang Becky is much of a prize herself these days. She’s downgraded herself with the company she’s been keeping.
‘Twas an evening in November, as I very well remember,
I was walking down the street in drunken pride.
But my knees went all a-flutter, so I rested in a gutter,
And a pig came ’round and laid down by my side.
Yes I laid there in the gutter thinking thoughts I could not utter
when a colleen passing by did softly say:
“You can tell a man that boozes by the company he chooses”
And then the pig got up and walked away!
AWE!!! My Grandmother used to sing this to me!!! It was always very off key, lol! Great memory of good times, Thankum eselcooper!!!
LOL!!!
Gram used to say that when she didn’t like a friend I brought home LOL
Interesting day. I think they took in more for the steers then they did the horse. A PB was interested in the mare but never saw a response to that. And, we had a token parking lot horse. Sounds like a PB bought the llamas. Looks like Dr. Moss is going to check those steers. Bless him for that because they look like they need help! Was sitting here LOL because they posted a receipt and many are making a big deal out of that fact. Finally, a receipt!!! One damn receipt but that is progress, right??
I’ll count it as a win for the good guys. I won’t be doing any sort of celebrating until I see vet reports on all the horses they kill.
That PB that wanted the mare was donating $500, but both RFB and Manson made clear that the PB would have to be vetted, so keep the cash rolling in, just in case it doesn’t work out. It will be interesting to see how all that plays out.
That HiC crew are professional grifters – don’t miss a beat. A LA rescue got her “village” to buy three grown holsteiners last Saturday and another vegan advocate posts some beautiful photos of pigs on a truck suffering, so voila – this week, Manson springs the “love all animals spiel” and just “had to look into their eyes.”. While her dumbshit step, n’fetch it Robyn forces the calves to jet around their pen and push the one who did NOT want to put weight on the leg or move off the level patch of ground he found to rest. Now THAT pissed me off. Stay out of the pens!!!
These people are freaking predatory. Should NOT be near animals or dumb people.
All while they likely stuffed their faces with burgers on the way home, because they love cow so much.
Huh? I’m confused.
I know there was a private buyer that said they would pay up to 500.00 for the dun mare. But from what they say the price was it looks like Hi Killiber got her unfortunately.
Hey Shed, I noticed there are new names posting here. Are they new people or just people changing their names on here?
Some are new, some rotate names. I actually don’t check on who is who unless they are being assholes.
Oh ok, 😉
Dinner for months on the donor dollars!?!
There might be some like me as well 4horses, who lurk in the background, chime in a lot on one post and then go silent and just read for several, and then repeat. 🙂
Usually there are more than enough people very articulately saying what I was thinking of saying anyway, but every now and then the frustration gets to be too much and I chime in and inflict my chatter on you all again. 😉 Don’t know how many others might be like that but it could account for some of the on again off again names!
Queen of rescue? That’s just funny…who speaks that way about themselves?
Same here breadandcircuses.
I’m like breadandcircuses, I lurk and read. Every once in awhile when I get pissed enough, I’ll throw my 2 cents in. I agree with ya’ll so why clog the blog with repeats.
Sometimes it’s therapeutic to have your say. Don’t worry about clogging!
I like what everyone has to say. I don’t think of it as clogging the blog. I think the more people that say things even if it’s the same stuff in a different way, it might actually get through to some of the villagers. I really like to hear how our participation in topics and conversations gets some peoples goats. 😇 just something that makes me smile in a dismal situation. 😉
I just hope some of the village reads here to try and learn the truth.
Have to second breadandcircuses as I’ve not commented on here for a while. A change of moniker was needed too. Following HC can make you think you’re quite literally going to lose your mind. The thievery by the feedlot coupled with the stupidity of the cult is mind numbing. Watching everything from afar has been necessary for perspective. The anti-thisthatandtheother groups have been equally perplexing. Everyone watching and quoting and screenshotting each other all the while they’re thinking that they’re being original. Both sides are doing the exact same thing to one another and they should all be embarrassed. Poop and Horror utilizing the same tactics and pointing fingers at one another is like watching a group of preschooler dig in their diapers and throw the stinky contents at one another. No wonder people are abandoning the groups and the pages. Take it to a private setting or lose any remaining credibility. HC is the only one laughing….I mean cackling. Nothing has changed there really. Still pimping for $$$, still skinny horses living in filth, still can’t find a hose to fill waters with, still have no one who can tack up a horse or ride them properly, still hoarding every Tuesday and any chance in between, still BFF’s with Misner, still shooting any horse that blinks 3 times in a row, still sobbing to the village when the world is being big, fat, meany-heads, Manson is still playing 30% vet, Romney is still whining about anything and everything, Ingrid is still a flaming bitch, the rabid villagers are still feverishly frothing, still no transparency, still making shit up to fit their narratives, still denying and ignoring great adoptive homes, still thinking their brand of ‘don’t give a fuck’ is edgy and new. Ugh. Which brings me back to Shedrow. It’s still the only legitimate place to go to for any semblance of truth and validity. Until things change for the better at HC, I encourage the resistance to rein it in and stick to placing the focus squarely on the horses in danger at the ranch. Those who are working the legal angles are doing so quietly and without flailing their arms about seeking pats on back. Let the shitshow page think they’re smug and above it all. We know who they are and how lofty their opinions of themselves are. We know who the delusional villagers are. They keep yapping gleefully amongst themselves threatening law suits and litigation. Good luck with that y’all. It’s all rather comical really. Thanks Shed for staying the course.
❤
With all the BS that happened yesterday (I still haven’t got it all straight) horses on the HC feedlot are still suffering.
Manson when are you going to do an update on Dragon? It’s been almost 3 weeks since he went to the vet. Did you put a bullet in his head instead of allowing him to go to a good home?
How about Bambi? Is he dead because nobody took care of his eye socket after his eye was removed? There’s never been any update or pictures of that side of him.
How about Tilden? Why have you never mentioned her or is she already dead & you just keep her name on the website to pretend she’s still around?
What about Orb? According to your website he’s been there since 2015 but that’s all the info you have on him. Is he suffering in a overcrowded pen without proper food or water?
I can keep picking names & I won’t stop until there is proof of proper care for all the animals.
Isn’t it something that most of the posts by Manson or Romney are to gain donations? With all those horses (bought and paid for by that group of people commonly referred to as “ignoramuses”) Manson would have a live stream that would not quit. She can’t though because the reasons why she makes bad decisions can’t be used too often in one day or even one week. She can’t steal anymore lines – she done stole them all. Telling each horse’s story is the worst offense. Her idea of “story” seems to be more along the line of spiel.
Do you know how many flash updates she could have done on horses during all those live feed hours of the Michelle Show the past weekend? Why can’t they update horses? When are the village idiots ever going to wake up? This immature little game Manson has that she won’t update a horse people ask too many questions about (Dragon, Firetyme) is ridiculous. Those are not her own personal horses. These people donated money to buy and support those horses. They have a right to know what is going on and see how they are doing. She can point a finger at blogs and web pages all she wants, but she needs to remember she’s the reason for her own downfall.
Thank you Shedrow. I reread my comment and realized I left out a few sentences when editing. .
The post and video about the pigs…like any of them are going to not slather their fast food burgers with bacon. Give me a break. You want to make a difference Michelle, become a vegetarian – even then it’s a very minimal difference (I’m not delusional). Otherwise stfu about how sad you are for the pigs. I’m sure all my fellow vegetarians rolled their eyes at you, as I did.
She walks right by them every single week and never thinks twice. It was just because she had nothing else to exploit this week we had to cry for the food animals.
Yummmmy Baconnnn
She also walks right past rows of stacked up horses at her home with all the emotion of an executioner that loves her ‘job’.
Your right, it’s sick!
Leaving the Cult, I salute you for being a vegetarian.
I’ve tried being a vegan … that is really difficult and only lasted about 8 months.
My yummy bacon was not a remark to you or meant to be insulting.
I’m a lapsed vegetarian, I like meat, butter and yogurt, but I limit them severely for health reasons. Michelle should try a wonderful salad of mixed organic greens, wonderful fleshy tomatoes, some ripe berries, nuts and apple pieces and legumes with a light vinaigrette dressing… dang now I’m hungry
Oh I took no offense to it. I became one in high school so had to fight with my family about it, have been one over half my life now. I don’t ever foresee going back as it all just grosses me out now. I could never be a vegan though.
I was pescatarian for a number of years. I still lean that way, but do eat some meat. Only cruelty free though. I get my eggs from a farm where the chickens are walking around the yard when you pull in even.
I actually eat very little meat, it doesn’t sit well with me since I had surgery, but I do eat eggs and yogurt and cheese. I also drink a a protein shake made with whey protein that I have to have twice a day. I love my fruit and veggies though 🙂
Just jumping in here to suggest the vegetable protein powders and now cheeses made with pea and soybean.
I’m not able to process those very well, had gastric surgery in 2012 and most time I live on liquids. I’ve tried the pea and soy proteins and I just can’t process them like I need to to get the nutrition. I have a whole cupboard filled with them sigh. I do use a lot of soy cream cheese (make a killer vegan cheesecake that makes hardcore cheesecake lovers drool)
Oh, I had the same problem! I had to add eggs back in. Protein is so important. Never realized how much we have turned to meat to deliver. But we went ages without so much meat and we need, as a species to go back. It’s a struggle.
Listening to Michelle’s live feed with the cows. She still doesn’t get it. I can’t speak for everyone here, but I’m fairly sure a lot of people here agree with me; it’s not about the gunshot euthanasia. It’s not my personal preference and it’s not how I would want any of my horses to go, but if it’s done properly it does not cause pain and I can understand the reasons why some people choose it.
The problem is not the gunshot, it is the numbers. Whatever statistics she’s pulling off the top of her head are irrelevant. I never heard her deny that list of names. Is it inaccurate or not Michelle? And I also understand that a rescue will need to euthanize, but no offer (or two days of offering) of OLGH for many of those that are eligible? And even worse, euthanizing because you personally can’t handle behavior problems of horses? A rescue that takes in horses from auction needs to have the resources to deal with “problem horses,” that’s just the way it is, whether it is people on staff who have the expertise or the ability to send the horse away to someone who does. There are horses getting declared “dangerous” and killed that shouldn’t be, and the proof is in the few lucky ones that got out (Chi, Chardonnay, Saban, almost Phoenix and Freedom, and I know there are others).
It’s not about the gun. It’s about arbitrarily deciding which horses deserve a chance at life and which don’t .
And it’s about taking on so many horses and lacking the manpower to properly care for them that you have become the very mess you claim to be cleaning up after.
I agree. She’s trying to deflect by just talking about the gunshot euthanasia. I really have no problem with that aspect, assuming it’s done correctly. Michelle flat-out lies and I really hope some HiCaliber villagers will see that and ask her about some of the names of horses who were actually euthanized this year. In the video, she claims it to be around 30. In no way of manipulating numbers is that anywhere near accurate. If she wants to argue the point that taking them home and euthanizing is better than slaughter – fine. Why lie about how many you’ve killed??
Is it better than slaughter? What’s different from a slaughter horse’s experience in those cases? They get stuffed in an overcrowded trailer (5 horses in a 4 horse trailer last week again), drug back to stand in overcrowded conditions with no shelter and often no water. Beat up by other horses and run off their food and then Shot in the head in a hit or miss kinda way. Kinda similar to what goes on with slaughter horses and they big issue a lot of us have.
It’s a bit about the gun for me and it’s a lot about the misinformation. Yes, I’ve seen chemical euth gone wrong. My own horse had a rough end with chemical euth, but you know what? It was a rookie vets fault (as per the senior vet that had to come in to take over) and still, it wasn’t as traumatizing as a missed gunshot when a horse rolls down the hill, tangles up in a fence and his blowing blood out its mouth and nose as he struggles to stand up. THAT is euth gone bad and that’s what happened on their watch. You know what else isn’t right? The `run to heaven’ thing Manson says is normal. It’s fucking not if she was shooting them correctly. Then, her argument about horses afraid of vets and needles being traumatized is an even bigger load of bullshit. First off, WTF is she doing to these animals that make them all so needle and vet shy? That doesn’t even matter because we have heard from several sources she sedates everything she shoots anyhow, so there goes that whole saving them from the needle thing. Such a liar.
I’ve been present for several chemical euths of horses, more than 12. Not one went wrong. None. I think it’s rare and like you said shed, maybe due to an experienced vet (I’m so sorry about your mare and the extra trauma I’m sure it caused you on top of losing her).
I have thought all along that whole “running to heaven” thing is because she’s a fucking moron and shoots them between the eyes. I’ve always been taught you shoot at a downward angle, just below the ear. But I’ve never seen a horse euthed by gun.
I’ve been present at a lot of chemical euths too and mine was the only one that went wrong (was actually a gelding). The thing with chemical euths is you sedate them first. If you can’t get them properly sedated, then you don’t push the euthasol until you do. Pretty simple. What went wrong with mine is he was bleeding out internally from a ruptured gut so when they went to sedate, things weren’t circulating well because he didn’t have a lot of blood to circulate. He was shocky, but not struggling or in a panic. I was there with him and he trusted me. It just took a very long time to get him sedated down and I was upset because I was concerned he was suffering. He likely was not because he was loaded up on pain meds. He wasn’t thrashing or freaking out or anything like that. I don’t have any regrets about not shooting him. When he finally did go down, he went own softly. There was nothing we could have done to save him or change what happened either. Just rotten luck, but at least we didn’t prolong his agony like I’ve seen HiCaliber do. We did a belly tap, took some vitals and it was a pretty complete picture what was going on and that no surgery would likely be successful. He got to leave this earth at his home with his person holding him. Hard on me, but the best I could hope for him under the circumstances.
I’m so sorry Shed. I’ve been there, and it’s so hard. I’m glad that he went down softly.
I asked my vet about the euthanasia via gun shot and was told it is very difficult way to do it and you must be very precise. No thank you!
I think my vet would fire me if I asked him to do that.
I wouldn’t ask for it. I do see a need for it in emergency situations. Like being in the mountains with a broken leg. However I don’t even own a gun.
That’s so sad Shed. I hate to say goodbye. I’m so glad your gelding had you to do the right thing for him and make him feel safe. It’s hard, but thank god we’ve got the choice and they don’t needlessly suffer. </3
I think it’s our duty to be there for them if we can.
Agree!
I’m so sorry… Thanks for sharing.
Isn’t that just the thing? Do those horses who end up taking the long walk feel safe? As people we have the choice on how it ends for our animals. What choice do you think those horses would make?
I read an article about blindness in horses and it stated horses often adjust and within a few weeks with some guidance and understanding on the humans part. Every horse is different but they don’t necessarily become dangerous and a liability just because they are confused. It’s up to us humans to help ease the transition. Of course I’m paraphrasing or condensing but my perception of the article wasn’t blindness being the end of quality of life. Many people ride horses with some sort of visual impairment.
Not trying to take away from your story as that is a very poignant story that puts Michelle’s justifications and claims on euthanasia in another perspective for me.
http://www.rammfence.com/rammblings/ramm-articles/is_your_horse_showing_signs_of_equine_blindness
If you go back in their videos, there is on from a few years back of them riding a blind horse and proud of it. However, let’s say blind horses don’t do well there. Then how about stop dragging them back there then? Manson saying she’d rather be the one to shoot them because they know her. That’s bullshit. She doesn’t mess with those horses out in the herds ever. How many times have we seen her on live feed having to ask which horse is which. They don’t ‘know her any more than they know the vet. She’s full of it.
Exactly!
I don’t really disagree with anything you say Shed, and like I said would never choose gunshot euthanasia, but my main point is that Michelle making it seem like that is the only reason why people have a problem with her is ridiculous. If they actually did it correctly, it would be something that was just a, “well I don’t really agree with that” not a reason why I would want to see them shut down. I would have shaken my head and moved on. The fact that they euthanize so many, they do it poorly, they make poor decisions as to why, and they lie, try to cover them up, and try to misdirect from their reasons, all of that is what makes me object so strongly to them.
Oh and I agree that the running to heaven is crap. I have actually hunted a couple of times for dinner…. don’t hate me everyone… and the shot was right under the ear as suggested. Absolutely no “running to heaven” and that was at 30 yards. I can’t imagine doing it wrong at point blank range.
As far as chemical euthanasia going wrong, I have also only seen one on a dog, and he was properly sedated the whole time, so while it was difficult for us to sit and watch as he just breathed heavier and heavier without passing, he was still in no pain and no fear. Having worked as a vet tech, I am in full support of chemical euthanasia, *when medically necessary.
*Take note of that phrase HiCaliber
I agree that there is far more than the euths that I take issue with. I have a huge issue with her playing vet on these animals. From what I’ve seen, she can’t even diagnose a colic properly and get them help in time. Mirage shouldn’t have died or ever got that bad. She’s lazy and she’s arrogant which is a dangerous combination. I take issue with the conditions those animals are living in. I have a huge issue with her using her platform to spread lies and misinformation on horse slaughter and how that works, but never once mentions the SAFE Act or the work that is being done to try and help all horses. I hate that she feels that HiCaliber is the only ones that should decide who gets horses or what a good home is and that if she can’t fixe a horse or make it happy , then it needs to die. Those are just for starters…
Oh goodness, I didn’t see your second post before replying Shed. I am so sorry to hear about your horse, I can’t imagine going through something like that. 😦
Thanks. It also happened on my birthday. I got called at dinner that he was in trouble and thankfully was only 10 mins away. Now I never have a birthday that doesn’t cross my mind. Sucked.
Awww man so sorry. I remember you told this story before when were on this topic before but you left out the birthday part.
I’ve seen that house. It was vacant then. Creepy creepy creepy. I think it was torn down and has something else there now, if I remember right.
It would make sense to tear it down. Too much bad juju there.
sorry about that shed, wrong damn reply spot……
I have a problem with all the money she collects and then (for the most part) lies saying the euthanasia was signed off on or you can legally shoot a horse… Okay sure, but there are parameters which she does not adhere too. There is no validity in her argument of it being better than slaughter. Not with the conditions at the ranch. They create more problem behaviors then solve them. How many times has the melanoma prognosis been proven false?
Michelle must need to squash some dissention among the masses if she’s on her soapbox lying out her lie hole.
She went from in your face and vulgar to self pitying and weepy over the last few days. Still hasn’t dawned on her to just shut the hell up and show people the horses they paid for.
From your mouth to Michelle’s ears!!! Lol!!!
She considers herself superior to most other mortal beings.
Being vulgar is a ploy to lower her superior self down to the level of mere mortals.
Tone…
And that’s not a sign of any mental disorders that we can think of is it???
Not Drinking That Coolaide
Very much the shades of a Jim Jones type international ‘church’ cult.
Do you watch A&E?
I remember the news reports about Jonestown in Guyana (spelling ?) and the photos
Yeah, I remember that too and then there were those Hale Bop cult people that work the keds and all died in their bunk beds or something. Crazy stuff!
Not recently, (I’m a little stuck on netflix lately) but I remember the Jones Town Massacre from when I was a child. The news showed several sad pictures and the pictures of children my age who had drunk the Koolaid kinda stuck. Did the special talk about how Jim Jones played mind games with the followers taking them out to square to drink, telling them it was the end and nothing would happen. (I think 60 minutes did a piece at the time.) They would blindly go through the motions until the very end.
Nope can’t see any correlations there…
Hale Bob? Those were the guys in Del Mar right? I keep thinking they were into the alien thing for some reason. How about the followers of David Koresh at Waco, Texas?
Most of the HiCaliber sycophants are internet warriors but their cyber harassment, the fact they are so indoctrinated by the garbage they are fed and constantly regurgitate it as wisdom makes me just shake my head… Or bang it against a wall.
It was Hale Bop after that comet. They thought some aliens were coming to get them or something. That’s why they were all found dead in their beds.
@ Not Drinking, that was the heaven’s gate cult, and they believed that the Hale Bopp comet was going to pick them up or some such thing. They were in Rancho Santa Fe, CA (super fancy, pricey enclave/neighborhood).
They wore the nikes and the black robes.
LOL. I thought it was Keds!
Thanks OG!
Okay, now I remember a little more. That one I decided I didn’t want to think about until now I guess. That guy was creepy and this article goes into detail what a special creepster he was.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/heaven-gate-mass-suicide-20-years-article-1.3008847
Wouldn’t the joke be on us if they really did get beamed up out of their earthly bodies? Ironic that all happened right near Manson’s stomping grounds. Must be something in the water there although I should talk because I have family in that general area too. To think I was worried about being snatched for a cult in Hawaii as a kid. LOL.
Is the house still up? Yikes! Your right about the bad juju! The whole thing is creepy. Is Rancho Michelle’s old stomping grounds? Is that when she was younger? During her formative years?
No, I just meant the SoCal area in general.
Gotcha
Not Drinking thar Coolaid: Vernon Howell AKA David Koresh (I call him Vernon because he doesn’t get to rename himself, sick fuck) was one sick, sick, sick, sick puppy. But if you want to talk about parallels to HiKillaber…Vernon was primarily a pedophile looking for easy access to victims. He found the Branch Davidians (an offshoot of an offshoot of the Seventh Day Adventists) right when their leader had died, his widow had taken over, and the heir apparent was also obviously completely batshit. Vernon, once he seduced the widow, looked sane in comparison.
Once he had control of Mt. Carmel, he began seducing young girls and their parents. He did eventually declare every single woman on the compound his wife, but he started with the underage girls. His only legal wife was very under-age. He married her with her parents permission. She managed to get out with her son before things got really bad.
About a year before the ATF began investigating, one of his followers lost a custody battle over her daughter. Vernon was very obviously trying to seduce the girl (I think she was 14) and he ordered the mother to fight for sole custody. Well, former followers got on the stand and began talking about how often they saw Vernon rape little girls, and IIRC Vernon ordered Mom to terminate her parental rights the first day people started talking. He’d also been very vocal to his followers about how he knew he’d go to jail if anybody found out what he was doing to those girls.
So when the ATF did the raid? Yeah, nobody was coming out. Not because Vernon had strong beliefs in holding fast to God’s word, but because every single woman in the cult had been abused by him, and most of them had children by him, and most of those mothers were underage. He made sure all of his children and the women he had raped (they weren’t his wives) stayed in the compound. And when they started the fire inside, they put all the mothers and children into an upstairs room and then chained the doors shut. Vernon wanted to destroy the evidence.
So the predatory individual finding a vulnerable population to abuse? Fits pretty well. But I hope to god, none of the rest fits.
Interested~ Wow! That is just gross! I knew there was something else to the story but I was JUST referring to cultish atributes of the HiCaliber villagers. Talk about a real life boogey man.
I’m not a fan of gunshot euthanasia but I’m also not running a large operation so I don’t have the experience (mercifully) to say which is better.
I am against HC doing this because the gun gives her the ability to kill any animal at any time with no actual vet weighing in and no accountability. There is too much history with this rescue of euthanizing horses that should not have been euthanized
exactly. Euthanasia by gunshot is a viable form of euthanasia if performed by a TRAINED person and done properly and for the right reason. I’ve had to do it myself to my own horse (he broke his leg in the mountains and I wasn’t letting anyone else do it, my horse, my guilt) and I still have dreams about it from time to time. Michelle really doesn’t seem to be bothered by it at all and that is what really bothers me the most, she doesn’t give a flying fuck.
That is awful, I’m so sorry you went through that 😦
Eselcooper and Shed, I am so sorry for both your losses. It’s heartbreaking when that decision has to be made.
I’ve got worse stories than that, but they don’t serve a purpose here. I’ve seen some bad stuff with horses I didn’t own. Manson figures she’s seen the worst of it. She’s seen nothing. Trust me. I wish I hadn’t seem some of the stuff I have.
Shed I think you and I could both share “war stories” that could make the most heartless sob in anguish. I truly wish with all my heart ♥ that I didn’t have the stories that have a tendency to live in my head and nightmares. I really wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
I’m at peace with most of what I’ve seen. I’ve always done the best I could at any time and put the animal first. Had some hard lessons for sure and lost respect for some people along the way and gained some from others. I cried over every horse I’ve lost and would do some stuff differently if I knew more at the time, but there is a peace there too. I’ve never put one down because of my own shortcomings or to make room for another. That’s for sure.
Thank you but it was a very long time ago but feels like yesterday 😦
I’m sorry that is heartbreaking position to be in eselcooper.
/\/\/\/\/\ This from Bread and Circuses.
I cannot watch Manson on video, or listen to her. She makes me physically ill when I hear the bullshit spewing from her lips.
Dr. Moss said what he said and she can dispute it all she wants. “Although we have performed euthanasia on some horses there because of quality of life issues I cannot say that we have performed most of the euthanasias at hi caliber. We have voiced our concerns about these horses, and I would hope our voice would be taken into consideration.”
This tells me loud and clear if you read between the lines, that Manson has performed unnecessary euths. We all KNOW she has FFS!! She can spin it anyway she wants. STOP THE KILLING. Take care of the horses you have.
#hisnamewasthomas
#forthehorses
#iamshedrow
It was like 5 am when I watched her rant on the cows video. Did she actually say it’s ONLY been 30 horses killed in the last 2 yrs? That that list is way off… She went on to say more but I could not force myself to listen to it again.
So a joint infection huh…. One of those salt river foals had a joint infection and was bought in to see if they could fix her up and even tho last I checked she was still alive and getting better it cost in the thousands to fix her up….
So any bets n what Michelle does with the steer with the joint infection.. Next fundraiser, oh sorry he didn’t make it but were gonna keep your donations anyways. Yep I can hear it and smell it coming 400 miles away.
I think she was claiming that 30 was for this year. Still not even close.
She mumbled something about not counting compassion pulls on her death list. LOL. Dead is dead as far as I’m concerned. We never said that some didn’t require a humane ending, but way too many of them are shot for no good reason at all.
It pissed me off she was so offended that somebody offered to pay to euthanize the calves chemically, should they need it. Why is she so bent on shooting everything in the face? What compassionate person wouldn’t jump at that offer?
She shouldn’t even be allowed to utter the word compassion. She has no earthly clue what it means.
She was offended instead of doing a mark up? She needs to back off her self prescribed meds a little.
She did seem somewhat `altered’ on live feed last night.
Probably because the meat’s no good if chemically euthed
Okay, that made me snort. I know it’s not appropriate… but should we be watching for the next big pool debacle?
Meat’s no good even w/o chemical euth. One of the drugs used to treat the calves has a 30-day withdrawal period.
That wouldn’t bother Manson. She chowed down on lidocaine laced balls and fed them to her kids. She also reportedly shoots herself up with horse drugs.
Question. Why were they kicked out of Homes for Horses coalition?
I think the ball eating played a big part of it. Hard to push the anti slaughter agenda when you’re consuming medical waste, but that was likely the straw that broke the camel’s back. I heard that Romney Faye was drunk as shit at the conference last year and none of them were that well behaved. There were some other reasons, but I’d have to check.
Charming…
Any 4H or FFA kid can tell you all about meat animals and drugs. Oh and how to properly care for an animal, meat or otherwise.
Because she’s a horrible glob of flesh.
According to Michelle, Dr. Moss probably wouldn’t even do a chemical euthanasia for them because “…that ship has probably sailed…” due to all of the harassment he received from the haters. Ummm… Does she believe her own bullshit?
I’m not so sure he was harassed as much as people asked him if what she was saying about his involvement was true or not. At one point she made it sound like she was taking turns with Spini killing the horses there. She’s always said that they signed off on every single horse they have killed and we know, from Moss himself, that is simply not true.
Does anyone know of other rescues that have a “1.00” menu? Author Whitney Cummings was just on the Ellen show and was talking about a dapple gray she adopted from a 1.00 menu. Was a dressage horse that was scheduled for euth.. Couldn’t hear anymore due to the Chichi barking. Possible Hikill pb??
Sounds like she got her horse earlier this year. She is also involved in rescue…
I kinda half assed looked but didn’t find anything except a bunch of blurbs that seemed slightly odd to me. I did see something about therapy horses for her pain… Wouldn’t you think Michelle would go on and on about it though?
Here’s the horse but no details… Oh found it… Second link.
https://www.rachaelrayshow.com/celebs/24997_whitney_cummings_unforgettable_horse_dog_rescue_interview/
ASPCA and Blue Apple Ranch
ofthewolves.com/sheherdpower-healing-with-horses
She certainly doesn’t mention HiCaliber in anything to do with the horse. No idea if she gothim there though. Looks like she’s into rescue in general.
Sorry… Sometimes I talk too much and others… The article from below says she got her horse from the ASPCA and Blue Apple Ranch.
ofthewolves.com/sheherdpower-healing-with-horses
You have to cut and paste for some reason I can’t get a complete link.
That’s very cool. Make you wonder if that’s why they have a horse on the show.
Lol! I forgot about that! I haven’t watched for awhile.
IiRC I think she may have commented on a HC thread.
I looked at her pics and recognize them from something. I don’t recognize the horse though.
I know of several that have a similar (though better vetted) program, as in a way for a trainer to work with a horse without officially adopting before ultimately rehoming the horse or adopting themselves, but none of the ones that I know call it a $1.00 menu. Plausibly could be but don’t know for sure.
The last statement from whomever it was that made it, needs to be plastered all over, esp THL. I was once one of the people who would actually pay the overpriced “save this horse before it ships” price until I did my own research. I’m a owner of drafts so needless to say I’ve been screwed over but good several times. Great info thanks
I love drafts! Well… I love almost everything with four legs…
Yes it does need to be plastered everywhere.
I can not listen to Manson either, She is a master at propaganda, intentionally getting the Village all worked up blaming the “Haters” for everything from the County requiring a permit to CPS being called. She needs to accountable for her own actions and stop spewing venomous unfounded accusations about others in order to create drama and sympathy for herself. If everything that others are saying are in fact lies then produce the paperwork to prove otherwise.
Stop making it a war, the horses deserve better than to be pawns in your sick game.
The irony of the situation is that the so called “Haters” are the ones who care about the horses. They are the ones who are calling for better living conditions for the horses incarcerated at HiKill. The horses need shelters, less crowding and competition for food, more individual attention, vet care done by licensed Veterinarians and decent training to ready them for adoption.
I use to care about the Village Idiots being scammed but given the current atmosphere I figure they are getting what they deserve. There are a group of them that are only interested in the Manson show and it is really not about the horses. Good for them, it has to be a very rewarding career.
I tried to listen and lasted all of 45 seconds before I yelled at the computer for her to STFU and turned it off. I only worry about the special needs people or the seniors that give what they so desperately can’t afford to give because apparently no one in their family or friends gives a damn if grandma/cousin/brother/sister whoever is eating cat food from the dollar store because she’s soft hearted and giving the last of her monthly income to HC. The rest of them… I hope they go broke.
I agree re the villagers still donating. At this point, they are not supporting horses; it’s like a very expensive Netflix subscription. (Or expensive for some…). And if they don’t know that, it is because they are willfully choosing not to.
Michelle needs professional help with her drug issue… whatever else is going on she has a serious problem.
I absolutely believe that she is mentally ill along with a severe drug abuse problem.
The villagers are supporting an expensive legal battle as well as a city / permit. They are trying to repair damage that can’t be undone
Kc- are you referring to Michelle’s personal legal battle? I really don’t want to hash out details but I find that reprehensible (amoung the many) to use the donor dollar on.
Considering she has no income of her own, I think most of what she does is on the donor dollar. Bang Bang Becky makes a good wage but not good enough to keep a Manson in the style she feels entitled to.
Isn’t that just the truth.
My goodness people, all of these sad stories everyone is telling me is making me feel like I was punched in the gut and want to start crying on your behalf. I’m not usually a very empathetic person either (well at least not toward humans, I save my empathy for horses and animals), but at the risk of being overly mushy, I’m sending hugs all around everyone.
For me, hugs are always freely given and accepted
So they posted their auction invoice. One horse @$1,150 and llamas. Maybe RFB’s mother is back fronting $$$$ for weekly auctions? Wonder where that money comes from? Anyone know?
I’m certain that any comments regarding the $1,150 price paid for one horse, will be used to prove that you can’t please the irrational ‘haters’. Everyone knows pregnant match racer mares with short legs, long flowing manes, without papers are highly sought after. No? 🤑
Interesting that just last week, HiCillery could not afford to pay over $400 for a single horse so they went to the bogeyman instead to be resold to them later on at an inflated price.
See how that works?
Usually Tom fronts the money at auction each week. I didn’t see him there this week?
Is Tom the older gentleman that usually wears a baseball cap? Is he the same guy that holds auction horses at other CA horse auctions for networking photos? Think I’ve seen him in pics posted by Auction Horse Rescue and other groups on FB. Or another person?
Yes, with a beard. He’s never actually been to the ranch which I find odd.
Yes, Tom is the one with the baseball cap. I didn’t realize he was fronting the money. Romney said some time ago that her mother did.
I think her mother has too, but she’s not there very often. Lately you often see her or one of them hand Tom an envelope. You could hear him say off screen to catch him the next week that’s why he carries it or something. That was a few weeks ago. I find it strange an organization would be doing these cash dealings. Most would be writing a check because they want the paper trail.
Romney’s mom fronted a large lump sum a couple of years ago. It’s documented in their annual report. Tom is the new front.
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Do you know how much the amount of $$$ Romney’s mom lent to HiCilliber was? Was this a one time loan? For some reason I thought she was giving ongoing loans towards auction days. She must be well to do $,$$$,$$$?
I think you are confusing that with the Romney income splitting where Sue would get cut a check for $2000 and Romney would get one for $1000 each month. That was prior to Romney being `officially’ hired.
I was told by Romney that her mom fronted the money every week and they paid her back when the funds came through. Not sure how it all works
I guess we’ll see if they ever file their 990’s from last year, but I wouldn’t believe much that Romney says. She’s been caught in almost as many lies as Manson.
I don’t know about ongoing loans. There is a one-time documented loan in the amount of $12,471 made on Dec. 31, 2015 that is documented on form 2015 RRF-1. The loan was stated as covering operating costs and made by a board member. These documents can be located at https://oag.ca.gov/charities. Scroll down to the part where it says Registry Verification Search on the right. Click there and then type in the nonprofit’s name you want to look up. There is more detail on the financial reports than on GuideStar and you don’t have to register or buy anything. In 2015 they grifted $235,929 in donations/grants/gifts. They also took in another 54,174 in adoption fees & training. That comes to a total of $290,103.
They claim their expenses came to $295,303. There is even a breakdown. All paid for by donors whether they knew it or not.
Advertising & Promotion: $5,110
Office Expenses: $1,942
Occupancy: $36,898 (divided by 12 = 3,074.84)
Insurance: $2,480
Hay: 107,595 (divided by 12 = 8,966.25)
Horse Purchases: $46,947 (129 rescued in 2005/ avg cost of horse at 363.93.
The rr add on does not show here)
Vet Services: $26,814
Farrier $18,419
Bank Charges: $4,905
Bee Removal: $450
Gifts: $98
Haul Fee: $4,650
Horse Chiro: $1,025
Meals & Entertainment: $1,508
Misc.: $261
Other General & Admin Exp.: $6,223
Postage & Shipping: $891
Removal Costs: $4,440
Repairs & Maintenance: $4,061
Supplies: $2,036
Training/Boarding: $16,135
Vehicle Expense: $2,115
The 12k and change loan from Manson was actually Manson paying back money she had dipped into the HiCaliber piggy bank for personal use. Manson got a settlement from one of her lawsuits and Romney Faye made her pay the money back.
I thought it was the loan Romney’s mom made to HC and they just listed it as being made by a board member on the filing to avoid having to say mommy bailed them out. There has been at least one live feed where Romney talked about her mom loaning them a lump sum. That was awhile back though and I don’t remember the amount (if it was even stated during the video).
We could be talking about two different things. On one of the 990’s Manson was listed as loaning the org something around 12k . That’s what I’m referring to. That was actually her paying back the org out of her settlement money.
I may have it sorted out and it looks to be both. Form 2015 RRF-1 states “A board member loaned the organization monies to cover operational costs. At December 31, 2015 the balance the organization owed was $12,471. This looks like the money Romney got from mommy.
The 2015 Form 990 details a loan to Manson for the purpose of being an Operating Loan. The amount of this loan was $12,471. This loan was not approved by the board members and there was no written agreement regarding it.
This brings us to their bylaws. Article 1, Section 3 – Purpose: HCHR is organized exclusively for charitable and educational purposes relating to equine rescue, rehabilitation & adoption and to educate the citizens of C in the proper care of equines as needed. They have failed here.
Article 4 Miscellaneous Provisions, Section 2 Loans to Officers and Directors Prohibited: No loans shall be made by the Corporation to its officers and directors and any directors voting for or assenting to the making of any such loan, and any officer participating in the making of any such loan shall be jointly and severally liable to the Corporation for the amount of such loan until repayment thereof. Their own bylaws state that it is against the rules to loan money to board members. This is a violation.
Who is ever going to enforce it or even care though? They don’t have members. They have Manson and her hand picked board. It’s not like a legitimate organization where there are actual members who nominate and vote in board members during annual general meetings. The board is a mere formality because by all inside reports, nobody says `no’ to Manson. Ever.
The time I was referring to about Romney’s mom paying for auction horses was around this time last year. Money from mom’s bank account is withdrawn on day of auction and then put back after PayPal money comes in, this is how I understood it.
Front money won’t show up in the annual report.
No, but loans will.
How did Tom get together with HiCal? He’s at most of the auctions, but keeps quiet, and, if I have it right, never been to the ranch. He just doesn’t seem to fit in.
No idea. Maybe he just likes horses and doesn’t know any better?
Why don’t they raise money for auction Wednesday-Monday. When they arrive at the auction on Tuesday they just might have enough to pay the lowest price for the horses. They could still post sad photos and be dramatic all week to urge the village to skip their Starbucks and car payment.
Because that’s logical. It also doesn’t feed the need for drama
They have tried to raise money at least the day before but that seldom works out. Seems Auction posts bring in the majority of donations.
They cater to a bunch of compulsive shoppers that get their adrenaline fix by their Tuesday auction shit show. They also get to feel like they are doing something good because they believe the crap coming out of Manson’s lie hole. Because Manson is good at this scam, the donors aren’t disappointed because HC always walks away with something.
If we have the number of horses removed from the property then we could calculate the per horse cost. The amount listed is a total. If you have a list of horses that were killed, you’ll have to be sure to remove those that were euthed off site because those would be covered under the vet expenses..
We can do that fairly accurately starting with 2016. We just need the 990 to do it with. Keep in mind she usually always kills more than one at a time so I’m sure they get some sort of discounted pick up fees for being such good customers.
But you assume they didn’t lie on the 990. I don’t trust anything that issues from them. They are liars through and through.
We have a pretty accurate number of horses that died on the property and would need removal services. Even with her science experiments, unless she’s eating them, there will need to be removal. She may lie about the cost on the 990 but that will be evident based on the body count and general knowledge of how much removal costs are. She should be getting discounts and that should be reflected to a point. What will look suspicious is an inflated cost. This could indicate padding justified expenses falsely to cover misappropriations of funds.
As it is, people mainly donate for the purchase of horses at auction which includes the RR, vet bills or feed. I’ve never seen or heard HC ask for removal cost donations. They’ve laid out what’s covered in the RR costs multiple times and not once has removal been included in it. Manson doesn’t pay for anything out of her own pocket so who is paying for the removal costs and other line items they don’t ask that they be given for free? The idiots whether they know it or not pay for it all. This is why the HC model of rescue doesn’t work. It’s a vicious cycle where you have to keep bringing in more horses every week to make ends meet. You rob Peter to pay Paul. She has to shoot as many of them she possibly can because she can’t afford them. If it weren’t for Shedrow and others brave enough to speak out, there would be so many more dead.
With Halloween just around the corner; they could do a slaughter house theme. The sad thing is; it’s pretty much an accurate portrayal.
This comment should be plastered into the horror group, the s#*tshow group and all over dialing for dodos.
Thank you. #SayTheirNames
They’ll just find something else to fight about if that’s the case.
Ha ha ha ha – we aim to please.
Most other non-profits have major fundraisers each year. Not a Fireball piss up where Manson and a few of the inner circle get drunk for free, but major fundraising efforts that bring in tens of thousands of dollars and that goes towards operating costs like removals, maintenance and all those other `unsexy’ things that are the cost of doing business but people don’t donate for. Of course those same organizations have an actual working board of directors that is voted in by a membership and not just a bunch of sycophants appointed by a dictator to validate her fuckery.
Can you imagine if they stopped going to auction every week and stopped begging for money every week and just asked for money for feed and training and vet expenses maybe once a month. With her followers she could probably make herself into a legitimate rescue. Horse’s could stop having to die. Imagine that !
Nah, those followers would have to find their drama fix elsewhere if that was the case. The only pay up under threat of horrific death.
Because they are begging for money for other things the rest of the week. Tomorrow is FRiday so I just can’t wait to see what the weekend $$$$ project is.
4044.00 removal fees. Cost per horse to be removed.
Cost per horse.
She always seems to kill at least two at a time. maybe she feels they need to run to heaven together or something.
The cost to have a dead horse removed is over 4,000.00 dollars? No way.
Unfortunately 4horses, that $4000+ was for a lot of horses, not just one.
No, all the dead horses in that particular year.
Got it, thank you. 😁
Yeah but the numbers got way higher in 2016. I think they’ve quoted it as being around $175/horse for whoever they’re using, probably a discount if they toss in a couple at a time.
Maybe ask another local rescue who use `Rick’ what they pay.
Okay, so I’m tired today. I totally am just dragging ass but I want to bring up the little girl in the posts below. I’m a sucker for a redhead as it is but can anyone tell me how #HiCaliberReba looks fractious, mean, has no potential or would not grow into being a good horse? It seems like she and #HiCaliberAurora came in the after Christmas lull. There was some drama that it was mother and daughter, who the heck really knows… They yapped about the deplorable conditions they were saving them from. Yada… Yada… Fucking… Yada…
Michelle in her infinite wisdom dumped them in a round pen down in Vineyard for about a week of intermittent driving rain, then split them up with Aura going in the barn to treat that nasty knee by supposedly doing wrap changes or whatnot then later with honey (still eating those honey donations?) which obviously didn’t end well for sweet little Aurora. Michelle thought it was a great idea to throw Reba in the arena at training with a shortened shank (couldn’t you mind meld or what the fuck ever your claim to fame is to get her to come to you?) with about a half dozen horses.
I honestly can’t come to terms with all the deaths. Sometimes though there are the ones that you make a connection of some sort with. I can’t say I loved this horse. She was scared and seemed unhandled. Look at those eyes, she had soft eyes. To me she’s the poster child of everything wrong at HiCaliber. She looks young. She looks like she could have been someones heart horse. So why is she dead? Did she deserve any of what she got?
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She says on the video she was nippy. In Manson’s world that would be a good enough reason to blow her away.
I saw a bunch of giddy women, two horses, one with a very big wound but no vet? Did Manson debride that wound herself?
I seem to recall Moss doign a video about the honey with her. Aurora really bothered me. Such a sweet looking mare.
oh holy hell. I’ve got a nippy sob and he’s the best one I’ve got once I set the law down. Idiots.
Nippy, kicky, melanomas, doesn’t thrive, blind, feral, dsld, neuro and I’m sure there are a couple other labels I missed but seriously I’ve had it with the worn out justifications for meeting the bullet. Go back to Google or treating your horse at home book Michelle.
How is it they are the only rescue that manages to find these conditions over and over? I’m sure the people that follow will scream “it’s because we’re the biggest and the baddest! We save so many horses!” Do you now? Because I’ve got to tell you silly women what happened to those two horses isn’t any better than leaving them where they were. Aurora still went barely treated, often untreated for weeks while Reba was thrown in a herd situation, on a short shank labeled nippy so no one would handle her.
Think it through people.
What does “nippy” mean that would make her unhandable? Because being nippy would take out half the domesticated horse population if it is just a swinging head and ears back. Charging, striking, biting is another scenario that takes specific training – not your stumbling into it volunteer change overs kind of handling. And honestly after seeing how they are ignored while standing right in the video, I don’t expect that any horse would take sloppy handling for long before becoming irritated and want to be left alone.
I’m thinking with a wound like that, and Manson doing ANY work on it and the horses’ lack of adequate stabling (was Reba the horse Manson posted needed her bandage changed, or it fell off a few months ago and needed to be replaced?) – that the wound became infected or edema went down her leg and infected or the skin sloughed. Honey treatments are sketchy and hard to apply on a leg. And there is specific medicinal honey used not your B-Tasty brand from 7-11.
My vet uses a wormwood tincture and then fluffs baking powder to make a bandage on a wound near a joint. Works wonderfully, no infection, no proud flesh, takes consistent care and uniform application. Not sure why any vet would trust this crew to use a honey pack and bandage and doctor the wound themselves, especially debridement. I feel for that horse in the video (Reba?). I don’t believe that these people have the wherewithal to commit to a horse with injuries that require finesse.
Maybe there is a villager out there who would like to redeem their “idiot” status and tell the public what really happened to these horses that this sanctioned nonprofit/charity has covered up.
It’s obvious Manson doesn’t care – why didn’t she revela the condition of the mare before shooting her? Man – what a bad conscience Manson and RFB must have. Robyn, Becky, Astrid, Rene too. Hope they have some serious counseling.
You are assuming any of them have a conscience.
What concerns me is the number of `neuro’ horses that became that way after they purchased them. IF that is true, there could be a problem at that ranch because adult horses don’t just `go neuro’ for no good reason. Usually the reason is something like EPM or EHV-1 which would be a massive herd health issue and could mean a state enforced quarantine.
They have that pond there that could be a breeding ground for who knows what. There’s a really good reason why ponds and standing water are a big concern in the permit process for a stable. Mosquitoes don’t just bite horses and they don’t observe property lines and stay at one address. Manson could be contaminating the entire area. Based on the type of mosquito the flight range could be 300 ft. to 7 miles.
Aurora had the leg. Reba came in with her.
Janwindsong* they can in January 6th and the second video with Aurora’s leg “debriding” was 8 days later on the 14th. I’m not good at ageing horses but Reba looks younger than 4.
Shed* Aurora was a sweetie and seemed gentle. I guess with proper treatment that leg could still have been a problem. It certainly didn’t help with half assed treatments.
The link that didn’t work…
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Reba is all pot bellied as per usual on the Manson feedlot.
Wasn’t Aurora and Reba two they paid people to find them to rescue? When there was no auction around Christmas time they were offering something like $50 if people could find them something to rescue.
Poor little thing could have had a chance somewhere else. All three I listed would have had an honest assessment, treatment and a chance somewhere else.
Shed~ I believe it was something like that. I also thought I remembered Misner was the one who just “happened” to know about those two. I have problems doing searches on the HiCaliber page date wise but I think the time frame was January 4th or 5th of this year for what your talking about.
Since I didn’t know about EPM (EQUINE PROTOZOAL MYELOENCEPHALITIS) I looked it up. This is the disease that possums often carry correct? This article explains how you diagnose it and a big list of things that look similar too but are not (as you most likely know) EPM. One of the things that I find are often overlooked in people and sometimes animals are vitamin or mineral deficiencies and that is one of the simplest fixes. (Although anything can be over done.)This article talks about selenium deficiency being presenting itself as “neuro” I know this isn’t always the case but I don’t feel that” hanging off a tail” is a adequate substitute for a blood test. It would be amusing as Fuck to watch if it didn’t mean a bullet in the poor horses head.
http://www.epmhorse.org/Diagnosis/Diagnosis.htm
EVH-1 Simple Explanation
http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ceh/resources/ehv1/index.cfm
Thanks for the links. If I had mature horses going `neuro’ on me or even just one, you can believe that I’d be looking into finding out exactly how and why so I could assess the risk to the rest of the farm. How sad if all these executed `neuro’ horses only had dietary deficiencies.
Yes, but she says they are Neuro on intake videos so she is claiming that right away. Another words they came from auction like that.
They drug everythign before it even gets on the trailer. In many cases, as soon as it leaves the sales ring.
Your right, never thought about that.
Your welcome. I like to learn and hope others don’t mind my sharing.
Doesn’t it make sense that if your underweight or starved that you might have some deficiencies? What was the body score on most of the neuro horses? It’s not like these horses get a ration of feed to help supplement their diets and put weight back on. Michelle doesn’t even follow The UC Davis re-feeding protocol. Which has has been brought up numerous times and is easily accessed by saying “OK Google”. I’m not not saying it’s always that simple but why not start small and work your way up?
She never has, that I’ve seen. Not once. The Louisiana horses were mostly group fed which isn’t protocol and now she’s adding Thrive to everything because she thinks it’s magic.
And they all look pot bellied! How can she think that looks normal or like a good weight gain? Just amazing to me.
I’m just full of piss and vinegar this morning… This is #HiCaliberNicholas I’m not sure I got his correct age one minute he was 24 years then he was 2 years. He got to go to running to heaven because of severe arthritis. He was there less than a week (from my memory) and HiCaliber provided 1 xray. That post appears to be scrubbed. Go figure.
Michelle spewed her drama on the private pages about being tired of all the death and her sadness in having to do it. She got her accolades and pats on the back. People even offered to be there with her. Michelle has gone on to shoot roughly 60 more horses in the last 9 months. You do the math and you do the justification villagers.
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Nicholas barely lasted a day if I remember correctly. She didn’t even try to manage him. Wait til the latest dead get named.
That just makes me sad…
Nicholas was put in the pen they had done up with all the sand for a previous horse. Michelle had started the he’s in severe pain and the poor thing can’t even manage to get up ploy in the groups. I hadn’t even bothered to read any of the private group stuff that morning and so I just went about my business. I found turned over tubs in with him and so I went in to straighten up. The poor guy got up and came over to me. Then I heard the pain story from a volunteer who was going to give him treats and love before he went over the rainbow bridge. “I always try and give them a little extra love before they go.” She’s telling me the whole “shuck and Michelle jive” with the poor guy STANDING right there looking at us. Yeah, he wasn’t super comfortable and seemed stiff but I still can’t believe the story. Maybe parts but not as a whole or a reason. Previcox anyone??? Maybe a little Bute??? A Cosequin cocktail to go along with your fireball bitches? No, a bullet in the head and some crocodile tears is what that poor guy got.
The thing that pisses me off about horses like him is that she doesn’t even give them a chance to settle or get comfortable. She figures they aren’t valuable inventory and signs their death warrants.
Is it possible those drugs that M gives to sedate all those horses make them ‘look’ neuro?
I couldn’t say without know what, how much, and how often she is giving them.
I’m not sure. Maybe if given in excess?
They worked out a deal with Cochran to put the property to good use.
“They saw the vision, believe in our work and wanted to help,” Cochran said.
She and her teammates sold their homes and pooled their money to lease the ranch. The couple then agreed to sell the property to HiCaliber in a lease-buy arrangement.
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(So did her teammates lose their money)
Won’t this or should this be split with all these people? The donators are buying land and property for all of them, sweet deal.
I’m confused about leasing and buying and license fees. All these people are involved
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It is a spectacular piece of multi-leveled land, surrounded by hills in a part of Valley Center so remote that GPS directions are worthless. It’s the kind of place it takes a dozen turns and a couple landmarks to find.
Seven people in four houses now call the ranch home. So do 66 horses in need, a number that will only increase with time, Cochran said.
(Seven people live there)
The deal on the new property came through just days before HiCaliber needed to vacate the Escondido site. With the help of 30 volunteers the move began on Sept. 1 and was completed by Sept. 9 — two days before the eviction deadline.
Niki Avila, 38, said she left her home in Cardiff to move to the ranch into a small cottage near the entrance. She is a licensed veterinarian technician and the on-site medial director.
She said the moving days were hectic.
“We were all slap happy but it was all worth it,” Avila said.
“Now I get to wake up every morning to this,” she added, motioning with her arm to the vista in the valley below.
Avila said she met Cochran in 2012.
“She’s tough, she’s selfless, she’s got a great sense of humor and she is brilliant.” Avila said. “When it comes to horses I’ve never met anyone who is an naturally skilled as she is.”
She said Cochran has a unique connection with horses.
“She builds relationships with them personally and finds out what they really need,” Avila said. “I think it’s intuition. She kind of reads their body language and looks to see what they’re trying to say.”
(Horse whisperer) lol
Talking about Manson? Wow, was she bamboozled? The big house on the hill is the feather in Manson’s hat of thievery.
Michelle didn’t sell her house, she got it foreclosed on from what I understand.
Remember this is an old article. Who lives on the ranch has changed several times (and Niki has been gone for awhile).
This is the house Manson “sold” in order to “get the money” to “pool” “her” money with everyone else’s in order to lease the current feed lot:
2436 Melru Ln, Escondido, CA 92026
Price/Tax history:
09/25/14 Sold: Foreclosed to lender $300,150-3.2% $210 Public Record
The spin will be that she “opted” not to continue making payments on her house as she had to make them at the new place LOL.
She has spun it that it was good business or something. As usual NOT her fault. Nothing is ever Manson’s fault.
she’d say the lender was just a jealous hater
It may be old but it’s still a great piece of fiction. Well, the view probably was nice… I just love her relationship skills and finding what they need. It seems to usually involve banamine. I wonder how she divies it up? One for you… Two for me…
Every villager should be asking “Where did the money go?” on this one. Techie, the crypt they tried to geld but couldn’t so HC let him out in a pasture with fillies because that’s how bad their herd management has sunk to. If that’s not bad enough, Techie is up for adoption as part of their “KILLER adoption deal” (pun intended or just an accurate description of Manson?) for just $1 and the adopter pays the gelding.
Wait, what? Didn’t they say they needed to raise $2,300 for his gelding? Didn’t RFB do a long post after Havasu, the first family vacation after her son died and it was horrible and she didn’t know how they were going to raise the money for the geldings and medical treatment for Techie, Gordy & Holmes. Holmes is now listed as a gelding on their site so he apparently was gelded. But hey, RFB asked for money, told the village how to do it and I’m sure they gave till it hurt. Then the great thing happened and Techie was gelded, right? No? They took your money and now they are basically giving the horse away for $1 and the adopter has to get him gelded.
WTF! Where is your refund? Demand your refund! Don’t let this shit slide. It’s not right. It’s misappropriation of funds from their intended purposes and it should piss you off. This is your hard earned money that you were kind enough to give to them to be honest and a good steward of. They didn’t fulfill their half of the bargain.
plus they had a Gofundme for Techie’s surgery too….they collected $375 on that….where did his money go?
Manson’s upper lip?
…quack quack?
exactly!
Lmao!
~Snort~
yup 🙂
I never know where my comment will end up, so I am simply going to reply lol.
Most of the carcass removal services do give a discount for picking up multiple carcasses at one time. There was another rescue shooting horses out behind the barn (now defunct) who also claimed that sometimes it took multiple shots, and tried to claim that her vet told her “some had double skulls, so that’s why one shot doesn’t work”. If my eyes had rolled any harder, they would have fallen out of my skull. There’s a new excuse for you to try to use, Michelle! You’re welcome. Easily enough to refute when one speaks to an actual vet.
I see her regerencing Vitamin E and selenium levels for a horse going neuro, and even saw her use the term PSSM once. Here’s a clue, Michelle–for 45.00, you can take a sample of a horse’s hair and send it into the Animal Genetics lab. It’s fast, and cheap, and usually managed fairly easy with a simple change in diet and elimination of sugars in the diet.
In regards to “KBs coming from out of state,” that’s BS. They might if they are to visit family, but that’s about it, for all of the reasons eselcooper described above.
Horse traders exist in all states, and they make acquaintances at the auctions. Those acquaintances might not have a slaughter contract, BUT they do have access to horses being sold cheaply or given away for free on Craigslist or in their communities, So it is quite common for them to go around getting these free/cheap horses, until they have enough to fill up a trailer load, which they then take to the KB, and get paid for them (still not market value, but enough to make a profit). There’s the KB’s supply of horses that people never see…because they have been taken directly to their ranch, and will go directly to slaughter. Make no doubt about it, KB’s have tentacles all over the US. Unless your horse remains in your hands for the rest of their lives, there is ALWAYS a chance of ending up at auction/slaughter. However, no KB travels all over the US, traveling long distances, to show up at low end auction houses to pick up and ship in their big rigs. Not happening. There’s too many low end sleazes out there willing to pick up the horses and bring them to them, and rescuers will never see them nor have the chance to save them.
If a horse could possibly have resale value, potentially, but for the most part, they won’t ever have a chance.
That last part is just so sad to think about. Sometimes people have to rehome for the better interests of everyone and to have the worry about is this person legit and going to give my horse a good home is just wrong.
It is plain baldfaced betrayal. The lowest human trait. Wearing it on the edge – Manson and her crudmudgeon crew. How do you show your kids honor?
It’s so sad that a scam in rescue clothing has made it so no feels safe relinquishing there beloved FAMILY members, because that’s what those relinquished horses are, to any rescue because they might end up shot once the former owners leave them at the ranch. It breaks my heart 💗 a little every time.
The horses relinquished to HiCaliber certainly don’t have great survival rate. Thankfully Dallion recently made it out alive.
Can I have an AMEN
Heads up!
‘Killer deals on rescue horses for adoption. $1 & $200 each.’
If you can provide a sub par home; you might be approved to adopt! Hurry because before long all these poor babies just might be executed!
Pish Posh…
Techie just looks horrible. So thin, look at those hip bones. And that matted mane. He looked nothing like that when he came in.
He as super good looking when they first brought him in.
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I am in tears laughing. Just reading through some older entries to get my Shed fix and the paragraph that starts with this: “I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t aware of the antics that play out on Facebook” has me busting a gut. I do love your writing style.