Wow, that last post is a tough one to follow as far as impact. It kinda felt like a mic drop and that perhaps a ride off into the sunset would be appropriate. Really, what more is there to say or prove after that? Well, it turns out quite a bit. Our moles have been extremely diligent and have really outdone themselves this past week. In order to make sure that there won’t be more accounts like we just read, there is still work to do for all of us, so we soldier on. I’m not here to change anybody’s mind, I’m here to pass along information and perhaps paint a clearer picture than HiCaliber shows its village. I’ve got a lot of `painting’ to do today so probably best to get right to it. Settle in folks, it’s another long one! I don’t even know why I bother to say that any more….
Remember that Paint horse Manson dug up last week? The one that was at Misner’s lot but Manson pretended was from some family who purchased as a kid’s horse but was way more crippled than they imagined? The one that once he turned up at HiCaliber wasn’t so crippled at all? Manson screwed up by showing him on Misner’s lot and even though she drove him to a different location for new pics, people had already seen him there in person. At the time, I remember mentioning to some other advocates that there was pretty much zero chance that Manson drove all that way to just pick up one horse and that more would show up soon. Turns out I was right. The other two she brought home the very same day magically showed up this week. The first was the older bay that was `going to auction tomorrow’. What the village idiots did not realize is he was already standing at HiCaliber along with the red dun stallion who was promptly marked for death.
The bay and the red dun stallion were on the trailer with the Paint. If you recall, there was a skinny mare from up north that was supposed to be rescued with Wilkins but the village idiots weren’t motivated enough and that’s likely why the above two horses got to hang out at HiCaliber for a few days until their stories were told. To recap, we first heard of Wilkins the Paint on January 24th. The skinny mare from `up north’ never materialized but we’ll get to her later. Manson and Wrinkles pick up Wilson on January 25th and introduce him after dark. At this time, both the skinny bay and red dun stallion are also at HiCaliber. On January 29th, we were introduced to this skinny bay gelding that belonged to somebody who didn’t speak English but miraculously managed to communicate over the phone that he was having financial problems and that the horse was thin with all his bones showing but was still very rideable. He also, despite this huge language barrier, said he was afraid to show up at auction because of all the `slacktivists’. Slacktivist is Manson’s new favorite word even if she doesn’t use it in proper context. That’s a lot of information from somebody that doesn’t speak English. Manson did say that the picture of the horse (above) was over a month old, so we know the person that had him was responsible for his present lack of condition. He only wanted $150.
Yup! You guessed it! The role of the poor guy with a language barrier who was so afraid to go to auction was being played by none other than Bubba Misner. He’s not afraid to go to auction. He’s just too lazy and probably has a pie hangover. The skinny bay, now called Poseidon, showed up with a red dun stallion who still had sweat marks from a saddle on his back. Manson just had to `save’ him too and said he was a relinquishment but they paid $150 for each as part of their `Find Us A Horse To Shoot’ incentive program. The fact that she claimed these horses were relinquished is where things get shady even for Manson.
You know that things aren’t going to go well for a horse when Manson doesn’t bother to raise funds and this was the case with the red dun. Manson claimed he had `advanced Wobblers’ and had to be euthanized. The problem is you can’t diagnose something like that in the field and Wobblers isn’t really an automatic death sentence without finding out what is causing it. In the video Manson took, the horse does have some gait irregularities, but he certainly doesn’t appear to be `advanced wobblers’. Near the end where he catches a sniff of a mare he’s stepping fairly lively and wringing his tail. A neuro horse wouldn’t be able to do those things nor would he be able to short turn like they are making him do. Maybe he has had some trauma to his back or neck recently and maybe he could be nursed through it. We’ll never know because Manson won’t take the time. She couldn’t even be bothered to get his papers and find out who he really was, saying it didn’t matter. I’m told they eventually named him `Teddy Graham’ before shooting him in the face. Manson said we shouldn’t feel bad because he’d be chopped up and donated to `science’. RIP Teddy Graham. #sayhisname
Before we move on to some auction things, I want people to take a look at these pictures. All of them were taken of Misner’s’ place from various angles. Recognize the background and the shitty fencing because they feature heavily in many of the pictures used for mid-week cons. These pics were from awhile ago and one of the things that several different people have let me know recently is that right Misner’s lot is currently overflowing with horses. I know the saddle horse industry hasn’t experienced a boom, so perhaps he’s on his way to New Mexico or Texas with some loads soon. Looking at the conditions on his lot it’s kinda easy to imagine why that bay horse lost weight in the time Misner had him and maybe even why Johnny Cade was in such rough shape.
Let’s talk about auction. It was interesting to say the least. Manson started out her day by lying her ass off and people were escorted off the property by police. Didn’t happen. Yes, the police were there and I’m sure they spoke to a few people for whatever reason but who they did not speak to was our stealth mole. I’m not sure how `human safety’ plays into any of this. It’s not like Manson has a soul to steal by taking her picture or anything and besides, our interest, as always is in the horses and the real stories behind them.
Let’s take a brief jump back to January 24th when Manson was begging for money to save this one skinny mare with a sad story. Strangely, in the very poor photos she showed us, there appears to have been three different horses. The lone horse in the first pic has one right hind white and appears to be emaciated. Manson claimed that the horse on the left of the other pic already had a home and the other, the headless one, was the one that needed to be rescued. Again, we were asked to suspend belief as she claimed that the two skinny horses were the same horse. They clearly are not. We were also asked to believe that even though this person couldn’t afford to buy feed for his horses, he drove all the way down to Ontario from `up north’ only be turned around and then come back a week later to auction to meet with them again. Also according to Manson, all these down on their luck people reach out to other rescues and nobody will help them but HiCaliber, yet no other rescues have ever heard about these horses until they show up on the HiCaliber Facebook page. At any rate, Manson didn’t raise the cash she required to help this `one’ horse she claimed needed `urgent intervention’ so she said they’d deal with it later because there was also two other mares needing help. Clear as mud? Let’s go back to auction last week, a full six days later.
Manson starts things off with this post that had a video attached of a skinny red mare. The mare wasn’t moving all that badly though. It turns out that video was the wrong one so they did a fast edit and added a different red mare’s video. This mare really was fairly sore and just to drive her point home, Manson made her hobble around for the camera and so she could text a clip to a `vet’ to diagnose and to inspire her village idiots to dig deep. The village idiots dutifully ignored the fact that there was another red mare waiting in the wings and set about raising money for the eyelash fund responsible rescue and purchase price.
Finally, the original skinny shows up. The down on his luck guy from `up north’ found the funds to come to the parking lot to relinquish his mare that we were supposed to forget we saw a video of a few hours later. Sadly, without the thrill of the chutes and all the drama that entails it was a hard sell to the village idiots and right about this time there was some paranoia flaring up because these horses came straight out of Salvador’s trailer. Shocking, I know. I still have no idea what the strategy was behind the order of posting these mares when they all came from the same person. Pulling her video down and replacing it with another threw up far more red flags than had they just left it. Even if she wasn’t that sore, we’re quite used to the 30% vet misdiagnosing things and not being able to pick out lameness to save her miserable life. By quickly yanking down her video it was clear there was more to the story.
That’s right, just as we suspected over a week ago, that skinny mare and two others were standing at Salvador’s place the whole time. What I find disturbing is the truly emaciated one never did show up to auction that we know of so that doesn’t bode well for her. We know at least two of the sorrel mares came from his trailer on Tuesday, Pyper and Char. We also know that Salvador got pissed at the clusterfuck going on in the parking lot and was cursing `This is bullshit’ before hopping in his truck and driving off which is when stealth mole #2 picked him up heading back towards Perris presumably to mangle some more horses for the HiCaliber grifting pipeline. The second video was taken a few months ago when Romney Faye named Salvador (in the same trailer) right on camera as they unload some tripping horses. Most of them didn’t even make it back to HiCaliber before being shot in the head.
This is an older clip of Manson describing Salvador. I just wanted to post it up to remind people of what she used to say about him before they become partners in grifting.
In between the sorrel mares, the village idiots were presented with this gray mare. As usual, she had a sad story and was facing a terrible fate. To top it all off, she was `cancer infested’. Nothing creates exigency like some harmless melanomas. I’m sure the rest of you are yawning and wondering `so what?’ by now. This is where having experienced moles comes in. This mare does have quite a history but it’s not exactly what Manson was telling people. As is usually the case with Manson, there is often a very slight shred of truth to her lies and she builds from there. So, let’s take another trip back in time. Thankfully, this mare not only has the Rancho Bonilla brand on her, but a broodmare number which makes her easier than most to track.
Three weeks ago, this mare was advertised on Craigslist along with two others and it was stated they `might’ be pregnant. Her `83′ and Bonilla brand clearly visible in some of the pictures along with the melanomas on her head. They said they wanted $2000 each which is kinda funny considering he only wanted $500 for her in September and lowered that to $300 last week. She may have been with somebody else between September and last week because it’s not really like Nacho to take the time to roach a mane and he’s not known to have a stallion at all let alone one like was in the craigslist ad. How do I know what he wanted back in September? Read on!
This is Romney Faye and Nacho back on September 12th. He is showing her the pictures of the grey mare then and, at the time, he wanted $500 for her. He wasn’t willing to come down on the price because he said he would keep and breed her if he didn’t get what he was asking. I’m not really up to speed on all things Andalusian, but apparently the Bonilla brand is a good thing. I don’t think it’s a great thing for horses since these old grey mares with that brand seem to turn up at low-end auctions with some regularity. Anyhow, obviously HiCaliber declined back in September. If you recall, Manson hates Nacho and refers to him as `Nacho Motherf@#ker’ because he stands firm on his prices. I’m pretty sure she’ll dispute all this so I’ll throw another layer on things. It turns out Nacho was offering this mare to more than just HiCaliber. Despite what Manson and Romney Faye say, these flippers, Misner and Salvador included, will sell to whoever hands them the cash.
Unlike Romney Faye and Manson, a mole did got to Nacho’s back in September to check things out. As you can see, it is the same mare (check brands) and she was in much better condition back then. The video (click on it to play)shows Nacho right there with the mare and our mole describing what she sees/ This was taken on the same day he was talking to Romney Faye above. You can see same shirt, hat etc on Nacho. I can already hear the bitching about why `we’ didn’t purchase this horse back then. There’s a couple of reasons. She wasn’t in bad shape at the time, but also the sad part of `investigating’ things is you sometimes have to hold out for the greater good as hard as that may be. We can’t point fingers at HiCaliber for lining the pockets of these flippers and kill buyers and then do the same thing too. There was nothing reportable with this mare in September and the mole has kept an eye out for her ever since.
Which brings us right back to last week and the same mare arrives at auction in Nacho’s trailer where she is promptly offloaded to HiCaliber. Nacho vacates the scene before the Facebook post about her even goes up and gets rolling for fundraising. I cannot say for sure this mare was in his possession the entire time between September and last week. My instinct says probably not as the property in the Craigslist ad doesn’t appear to be Nacho’s place. It appears she was sold or leased out to be a broodmare and likely didn’t catch. This also makes Manson’s threat of her being bought up to dance or be a broodmare kinda ridiculous. Is there anybody out there that still thinks these deals aren’t made well before auction?
Because Manson will protect her revenue stream at all costs, she decided to load all the horses up, including yet another sorrel mare she claims they bought in the ring, and drive them to a local back road to unload yet again and beg for more money. She blamed the haters for this and pleaded with the village idiots not to comment how much they are donating. Manson also warned them to lock down their Facebook page because people are having their work called etc. I think she was projecting because everything she described were things she has actually done to others including phoning people’s employers. The only difference is that when she does it she says it’s just a joking around and friendly rivalry. I’m not sure the people who have been targeted by Manson and her village idiots feel the same, but I’ll say right here and now, that if ANYBODY is doing shit like that, knock it off and grow up.
The cretins in the above video are also people who deal horses to HiCaliber and are seen off and on at Ontario Auction. While they aren’t as regular as Misners, Salvador and Nacho, we know from past events that they all start out sporadic and get bolder and bolder as time goes on. We have an idea on who these guys are but need a few more things to fall into place. There seems to be a trend of compassion pulls lately and if HiCaliber won’t step up and report the people who are hurting these animals, then the rest of us will, so we start with identifying them or confirming the known identities.
With the execution of Teddy Graham this week, it became clear that at least one other horse would join him under the blue tarp. I can’t remember the last time Manson only shot one. It seems like she likes to get the most bang for her buck with the body removal service as well. The reason Madge was killed was chronic laminitis as diagnosed by the 30% vet. No memorial posts or good byes for Madge. Just a walk to the killing field. If she was lucky, she was the first to go and didn’t have to stand beside the chopped up body of Teddy Graham. Although, she was probably hacked to pieces too since Manson seems to be really into that lately. RIP Madge. #sayhername
If you have any doubt about how Manson feels about shooting all these animals each week, please watch the above video. It begins with Robyn shooting a gun off camera and Engineer spooking. Likely the same gun they use to execute all the other animals, but this day they were merely shooting it off to scare coyotes. Still, I wonder if that’s the reaction the horses have when Manson is doing her weekly executions. Then, we have Manson thinking it’s hilarious and, once again, making fun of how we like to remember their names and killing horses in general. You know what they say about many a truth being spoken in jest…
Horses aren’t the only ones that are ending up under the blue tarp lately. The mortality rate for the other livestock Manson has taken to dragging home is even worse. Just in the last week Milkdud the calf, Grandma Goat and Kevin the cow have all died. Kevin was killed by Manson from what I understand and while she blew Madge away without so much as a sniffle, Kevin was memorialized, complete with faux tears, on live feed. Manson mentioned that Grandma Goat had died on her own, which is disturbing considering Manson practiced her 30% vet skills on her infected udder and diagnosed her with pneumonia. I can only imagine how sick the poor animal was for her to just lay down and die. I’m told Milkdud died essentially the same way. RIP Milkdud, Kevin and Grandma. We’ll say their names too.
Speaking of other livestock, this steer, Kipper, might be the next to find himself under the blue tarp. Even though it was not that long ago that Manson was afraid of cows and admitted to knowing nothing about them, she is now subjecting them to her 30% veterinary procedures and diagnostics as well. I find this extremely disturbing on several levels. These animals suffer just as much as any other animal. They hurt, they feel fear and discomfort too. The very fact she is able to acquire them for pennies on the pound or free, kinda says to me that these animals are already very sick. If there was any value in them whatsoever as meat or whatever else, she wouldn’t be getting them. So, she’s taking an already dying animal and torturing it basically and nobody cares because it’s just a cow or just a goat.
I found these quotes from Manson and Romney Faye to be quite interesting. Just going to leave them here along with the video of Satan. You know you’re a POS when even Satan thinks you’re shady…
I found this post from one of their private groups somewhat interesting. We’re used to hearing about empty and filthy water tubs, so that part isn’t remarkable. What I did kinda wonder about is the `hard QT’. What is hard QT vs regular QT? Does hard QT mean they take of their filthy Uggs? Why do they have to put stakes and tape up to remind people when Manson has always claimed there is a quarantine area of the ranch? Then, we have the pictures of Manson’s kiddo riding around on the recently arrived Wilkins. He’s in the arena she turns out anything and everything lately and in the barn as well as in the grooming area. We know this horse came off Misner’s lot less than two weeks ago and they have said themselves that he has Strangles on his lot. Does quarantine only apply to horses she or her spawn don’t take an interest in? So many questions!
Lately Manson has been trying to sell us the `free euthanasia’ thing and claims that they pay an incentive to people to relinquish the horses. That’s a creative way to say they are buying horses to kill, but even more disturbing, she continues to raise money for `diagnostics’. In other words, these free horses are still costing the village idiots the same amount of money, but Manson has just reframed where the money is going. The last three screen shots may be a more accurate depiction where a large part of the responsible rescue fee is going with the `compassion pulls’ . Ok, music lessons for the kid isn’t so far-fetched, but hiring an interior decorator to do your other kid’s room? Manson doesn’t even own the house or all the furniture in it and she’s hiring interior designers? We know this is true because the kid actually spilled it on a live feed not all that long ago. This isn’t even mentioning the new tack that Santa brought them this year. I think that’s fairly impressive considering Manson told us she only had $400 to spend on Christmas. Way to stretch those dollars, Manson! Clearly, being an unemployed single mother is far more lucrative than working a full time professional job.
I really don’t have much to say about this screen shot other than how funny I think it is. Every single video or picture I see of Amanduh or Manson they are in ill-fitting tack with their stupid rope halters done up wrong. Now they want to teach other people how to make sure their horses are as uncomfortable as possible and learn to hate being ridden? Sign me up!
Perhaps Manson needs to sign up for some of those tack fitting classes for herself. In return she can teach her patented `Starfish’ method of riding and, if you are truly advanced, she will teach you the Extreme Starfish/Chair Seat Combo. That’s not something you see every day. I’m in awe, but not in a good way.
After over 3 weeks of watching the poor little filly, Umbra, walking around with her crooked legs, Manson finally decided to look into doing something about her and took her into the clinic to be assessed. I don’t know why she waited so long as the chances of any surgery working are greatly reduced the older she gets, but better late than never maybe. What was weird is the filly was checked into the clinic under Wrinkles’ name rather than HiCaliber. I’m not surprised they are trying to hide who is doing the diagnostics and surgery because that’s just what they do. It appears to be SLREH though for anybody that wants to contribute directly to her care rather than put more money in Manson’s pocket. It shouldn’t matter who has possession of this filly, if you feel motivated to help, then do so, just be smart about it. She is no less worthy just because of who has possession of her. I wouldn’t hold my breath for updates on her though because Manson is not your bitch.
I stumbled across this quote the other day. I wonder if this was ever true and if it was, if the old Manson would recognize the current version. I think my favorite part is when she says `I am still a simpleton’. I’m guessing just like her 30% veterinary terminology, she wasn’t quite clear what that word actually means and how to use it. Just further proof that there is always the tiniest shred of truth in most of the lies she tells.
I think that’s probably enough information to digest for today. I notice as things heat up that everybody is eager to `help’ bring this to an end. Obviously, we are all free to do as we choose and there is more than one way to approach things. I would just suggest that before people act, that they ask themselves what they are trying to accomplish. As you can tell from what was provided today, some of the moles that contribute to this blog have been at this for a very long time. It takes remarkable self-control and dedication to collect information and sit on it until it paints a larger picture and has a real impact. We’re busy behind the scenes and only getting busier. I will continue to share what I can and hope that everybody manages to keep their crazy tucked in for just a little bit longer. It will be worth it, trust me!
Well as long as the heli is flying above recording them she wouldn’t dare shoot any at this moment. If she did she’s dumber then I give her credit for being. She’s blaming all the other rescues for being jealous, and why this is happening. I could go on and on but we all know nothing is ever her fault. I have a feeling as long as that heli has been circling shits gonna go down soon. The state isn’t gonna waste $645 worth of fuel per trip to be up there this long without a serious reason. No matter what she says, Something is happening and she’s scared. Also her child is now checked in on suicide watch, but she’s on here blaming others cuz her daughter can access all this at school. More like on the phone the villagers pay for. And since I can’t reply on her page, The other rescues are not holding over 100 horses on a small piece of land. it’s based on the number of horses.
There IS always the possibility that they reached out and made the first contact, as we have been told would happen. But if it is simply the helicopter that sent her into this tailspin, I will LMAO if it is unrelated to the County and they are instead looking for someone, whatever. We frequently get helicopters around our area, and we are out in the country. There’s lots of reasons that a helicopter might be out there, and County workers on a Saturday seems a little unlikely as I am sure they would be paying additional fees for weekend use.
The helicopters have been flying over Valley Center regularly. She is trying to drum up some bullshit, but there are private developers sending in helicopters to look at land as well as SDG&E (utilities). Everyone in the community has been complaining about it regularly. STFU Michelle. It’s not all about you.
I drove through there today and back home. Helicopters and cops everywhere. It’s not always about you Michelle. SMDH
Now shes claiming they pay volunteers? That they don’t feed for free. They have to know what they are doing when feeding. I’d like to hear from any of you ex volunteer feeders, about if you actually got paid to feed or not.
She used to ask the volunteers to cough up money to pay feeders to come in.
[quote]It’s more than just a tax reporting issue. By paying the feeders and establishing an employer/employee relationship HC sets themselves up to be on the line for unemployment, disability and a host of other Human Resources violations.[/quote]
This. Legally, even giving a gift card has been held to establish an employee relationship by the IRS – so those $5 gift cards scattered in stalls can open them up to serious liability. Department of Labor typically moves fast too.
I know of 1 feeder being paid cash. Wouldn’t HC have to send out a 1099 and this person have to report it as income?
Only if they pay a single person $600 or more can they issue a 1099.
It’s more than just a tax reporting issue. By paying the feeders and establishing an employer/employee relationship HC sets themselves up to be on the line for unemployment, disability and a host of other Human Resources violations.
HC did not pay them. HC asked the volunteers themselves to cough up the money to help lighten their load.
The volunteers paid HiCaliber and HiCaliber paid the feeders. They were/are paid employees.
My God. Of course if I were the volunteers and absolutely felt that feeders needed to be paid, I would have given money directly because I wouldn’t trust M with the full amount raised. Funny how they have multiple houses on the property, but none of them can be bothered to feed the horses that provide them with their livelihoods.
The Silent Majority, dear michelle, is about to roar. You can act like a petulant over-aged teenager all you want, call us all your cute little edgy keywords such as haters or what have you, but know; the Silent Majority is about to roar.
She created this shit show she calls HC and now the shit is about to hit the fan. No one to blame but the killer herself. Poor money, horse, people etc., management, heck no management, just send the money. She makes a strong case for 501(c)3’s to have major oversight. Nothing but a scammer and now that the scam has been duly noted she blames everyone but herself. I feel for the horses and unfortunately it will get worse before better, but this scam of a rescue must be shut down. That is the only way horses will have a chance at rescue. She is a hoarder and a con. I’m sorry to the followers that can’t see this, but it is true. You’ve been duped.
If she’s this freaked out about a helo, look for her to cut bait and run. She will do whatever she can to avoid facing the music.
She’ll be the first one to cut a deal.
Michelle seems like she’s cracking a bit. Scary, if you ask me. Her sense of self importance is unrestrained. *She* chooses who lives or dies?! So many sick things said in this video if you listen closely. And yet all the while she only mentions her poor daughter twice. I hope it isn’t true that she is on suicide watch but if she is, why isn’t Michelle more concerned with that right now? She’s not doing anything productive with the most recent whiny live feed. Go and be with your daughter or be by yourself and think about how to help your daughter. Get the fuck off of FB! Excuse my language.
I watched the Live, lucky me. I have so much to say that I don’t even know where to start!! She has so much BS to spew, she doesn’t know when to quit.
Notice that none of it was really about the horses, it was all about her. “I have to live and decide who dies, not a pleasant place to be in.”
I don’t believe that she is capable of speaking the truth, so I remain untouched about the story about her daughter. There’s no level to which she won’t sink to raise funds, she knows that drama brings donations and in her own words it is impossible to raise funds without evoking motion. That leads me to suspect that the story may not even be true, and just another way to raise funds.
As another posted stated there are frequently helicopters in the VC area and I can’t decide whether Michelle’s paranoia is running rampant, or she was lying down and decided that it would be a perfect opportunity to raise funds by claiming they were therefor her. The inspectors have already been out to the ranch and stated what needs to be corrected, there was no need for a heli to do so.
There were a few eyes opened, even amongst the village idiots.
Hey Manson & Felllow Village Idiots here are some ideas to get the numbers down without Pasture Puff killing spree. Saying the only way you can reduce numbers is to kill horses is ridiculous, it’s manipulation at its best. Manson is using it to keep you, “The Village” in an uproar.
The “HATERS” did not purchase all of these horses, and they are not allowed to adopt any of them. There is no “Rescue War”, other rescues are too busy with their own programs. They are actually getting the horses in their care the the rehab and the training needed to get them adopted. They don’t have time or any reason to wage war on HiKill. Disgusted and appalled by HiKill’s behavior certainly not jealous, THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO BE JEALOUS OF, THERE IS NO SHORTAGE OF HORSES IN NEED, THERE ARE ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO RESCUE.
THIS IS MANSON’S VERSION OF “ FAKE NEWS” (COMMONLY KNOWN AS LYING)
So here you go, some suggestions to reduce the numbers on your lot.
1. REMOVE all privately owned horses from the premises.
2. REALISTICALLY PRICE the adoptable horses and actually let people adopt them.
These are the horses you can move and not have to kill. Let them go, quit hording them.
3. PROVIDE REAL TRAINING to the sound rideable horses, halter break the babies, work with them so they be can be handled, and adopted.
4. Create a Sanctuary Horse budget and solicit sponsors for those horses, set a number and don’t take in more than that number. Plan for those horses. Saying you are not a sanctuary and then continuing to purchase those type of horses to solicit funds is unconscionable.
4. REBUILD YOUR RELATIONSHIPS with other rescues so you can network for those horses that you can take, our rescues who could better serve those horses. Transfer horses to other rescues NOW, there are people willing to take horses rather than letting Manson go on a shooting spree.
5. QUIT BUYERING HORSES FROM KNOW HORSE ABUSERS report them, stop the abuse.
6. OWN UP TO YOUR MISTAKES AND QUIT BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR UNETHICAL BEHAVIORS.
::slow clap::
By withholding the horses, it is the only power that she has in her hands. Her own ego will not allow her to network with other horse rescues except those who support her shady actions.
It doesn’t do any good for other rescues to step up and take horses because she already stated that she doesn’t plan to stop bringing horses in, so in that case they would be enabling her actions and allowing them to continue and a couple of months down the road the same problem will still be there.
However, if the only violation was a lack of a sharps permit 🙄, and not the other numerous issues, such as too many horses, manure management etc.. Then why the sudden revelation about the permit requiring a reduction in numbers. Will there be any oversight in her ongoing compliance of the number of horses allowed? If this is a one time occurrence, then why require a permit if she is allowed to continue with her current MO. If we aren’t here for the horses, the why are we even here? If she kills 50 horses only to replace them then what difference does it make if those horses are removed if she is only going to replace them anyway and remain in violation. Manson likes to hear herself talk and pretend she is above the law, I swear she should have been a television evangelist. Claiming ignorance is one thing, obtaining a permit and them knowing violating it is something else.
Should we all just wait for more action from the IRS and the AG before anyone steps up for the horses?
Don’t get me wrong I don’t believe that Manson will change and fully realize that she has committed such egregious acts that she needs to be held accountable. For the moment theses horses need a reprieve where it be a legal stay of execution or removal for their safety.
my personal opinion is that stepping up for the horses is premature and not well thought out unless this is all addressed by the authorities and the horses are ordered to be dispersed to other 501c3’s as charitable assets as dictated on page 10, line 24B on her 990s in a legal action.
Not before then, and any thought otherwise is stupid, as it will only enable her to keep bringing in horses and money by doing so as fast as horses would leave. We knew this would happen and predicted it long ago. People offering to take horses would become part of the problem and not the solution by allowing her to bring in more horses to bring in more money with which to line her pockets–much as M enables Nacho and Sal to continue their pattern of selling sick and injured horses by buying them and not turning them into law enforcement. The problem will simply continue down the road.
You forget–HER claim is that there was only a sharps violation. That may or may not necessarily be the truth. What that visit did was to enable the inspectors to get an idea of the multiple problems with the permit process, I am sure, and that spells out more money to be used in the process and not used on her.
Sorry if I missed it- what is a sharps violation?
Proper disposal of needles, from giving injections
Honestly when my mom was having injections twice a day for blood clots, I did not need a permit. I did google it and never saw anything that required a permit just how to dispose of them (I did search San Diego county today). Large quantities need to be disposed at a waste management drive. If anyone knows that there is a permit required PLEASE point me in the correct direction.
Not a permit but, I’m sure they were cited for doing it wrong
I’m sure you’re aware that those don’t just go into the trash
Oh yes, we obviously had a small amount. We could turn them in to any police or fire station. I know large quantities go to the waste management drive every 6 months. But I can’t find anything in having a permit. That baffles me. Seeing as how CA likes to charge for EVERYTHING, it’s not un likely. I’m just curious if someone can’t point me in the right direction.
Gotcha. Those $3 sharps containers are so hard to come by… Were they throwing needles in the garbage?
If she shoots 50+ horses she will still bring in more, and those horses will still be dead.
She’s not going to relinquish them anyway so it’s a moot point. You’re the expert so I will leave it you to figure out.
Agreed, except for the “you’re the expert,” part lol. All of us wish there was an easy solution. I know we are all tired of dealing with this on a daily basis. I just want M to go back to whatever Hell spawned her so that we can all go back to enjoying our lives, supporting rescues doing the right things, and make a difference in the lives of both humans and animals around us.
Maybe it’s time for a facebook ad, a la 52 thoroughbreds need homes?
100 Rescue Horses need homes! Will be shot this month. Rescue owner is downsizing herd and wants nothing to do with them. Most horses are broke though rarely exercised or groomed and some are in foal weanling, yearlings, 2 yrs and 3 yrs old most are gelded and probably sick. Not free. Cash, cash, cash. Rescue wants to find homes that agree with them 100%, even if it’s a bad fit. Take that, haterz! Valley Center, CA. Please copy and paste this on your status
Tick tock,
Definitely not an expert, but did assist in placing horses from a hoarding situation, which repeated itself when she succeeded in bringing in 5 horses the next week to replace some of those who left.
M has some similarities, and has stated many times that she will continue to bring in horses every week. She cannot sustain her style of living without the weekly fundraising, to meet her bills. HiCaliber supports every person living in the houses on the property, except for Jonathan, whom I am told still has his hairdressing clients. Amanda uses the assets for her own personal use by charging 75.00 per lesson and putting all of it in her pocket except for the 7 dollars and 50 cents an hour that she (supposedly) turns back over to the rescue.
The ass barnacle stays glued to M’s ass and follows her everywhere, so I don’t think she works, either.
They cannot continue this if they don’t keep going out to find horses. The new modus operandi is of course finding sick/injured horses that she can shoot immediately and require no additional funds to support. However, combine her scraping the bottom of the barrel with this ploy as well as the additional pressure of parking lot sales/horse flippers and even she knows her days are numbered.
Jonathan works at a local feed store, H&H.
The family that owns it are strange. The mother and one of the daughters have some mental health issues. I’m starting to wonder if Michelle is getting paid to trailer and independently contracting services to the rescue and that’s how she is getting her money. Living localy, I don’t hear anyone say anything nice about HiCaliber and that includes the multiple vets I’ve spoken with. The helicopter was an outright lie. She is on multiple Valley Center groups that had been talking about SDG&E buzzing the area for the last three weeks. We had it over our place for a good half hour.
I have no doubt that the money for that goes straight into the account, which of course she uses as her own personal funding.
Watching that live was hard, very hard. She does not want to do fostering because it will cost her money for that, but yet she is perfectly fine with killing the young horses who need training like Pearl and Sierra. I just do not understand her way of thinking. Of course she went on a whole rant of “I would rather shoot them instead of letting just anyone adopt them”. What the actual hell. From what I learned, Poseidon, Sierra, Emerson, and Pearl are currently on the list. I can understand Poseidon to a point but the other three? No fucking way. How many times have we seen adoption ads out for those particular horses? Maybe show how those horses are advancing so that you can get them adopted out? Oh wait, that is a laugh! You do not want to do that because then it would eat into your bullet time. I wonder who else is on that list? I know Farrah is, forgot to mention her up top. Praying for the madness to stop.
Forgot to add that Monkey is also on the list because he uses his size to bully his handler. So freaking stupid.
That hurt to hear (again) that Monkey has a target on him. I truly would love a horse like him. 😢 I also think Kovu is pretty cute. I think that’s one that has been on a video recently… cute mover, if I remember correctly.
Just thinking aloud but… I hurt seeing all of the horses brought back to HiCaliber. I don’t want to see funds go to Manson’s pocket but I would like to see some of these OLGH and Dollar Menu horses go to homes and be rehabbed. Horses seem to live longer and can be ridden (depending on soundness) up until they are 30. What about the older horses with manageable issues? Should that stop them from being useful? A horse doesn’t have to be hard working to be of use. I guess M’s pity party about old horses and who will step up got to me. I’m sure we’ve all come across old horses who refuse to be told they’re old.
It sucks that Monkey is on the list. He is big and beautiful and really just needs to know who the boss is. He knows he can push people around there because they don’t know what they’re doing and they’re scared of him! But he is really very sweet. You just have to know how to handle him. But that naturally puts him on M’s “to do” list.
Is there anyone else in northern CA or northern Nevada/southern Oregon that is interested in adopting or has tried to adopt? Is there a way to get in contact with you on a personal level if so?
You know where I am, I haven’t tried because of the distance but, I was ready to try to move mountains for the Lazy K guy. At this point, I figure there’s going to be a need when things go down so I’m waiting.
This comment here is ridiculous. It would be great if all the people who want to help the horses at hicaliber had the power to get a helicopter to go out and take pictures but come on ….do they really believe that? There HAVE been offers to take offers off of Hicalibers hands from honest hard working loving horse people. Will her decision be to shoot 50 or work with people and come together for the horses?
Mary Rindlisbacher · 1:19:03 This helicopter is definitely HARRASSMENT!
Mary——Take your blinders off girl.
Those aren’t blinders, that is a serious lack of brain cells to rub together.
If the County did it–I was told that it was not them–it is perfectly within their rights to enforce the law, and it would not be considered harassment. Otherwise, it is a product of M’s paranoid mind and the end result is a case of mass hysteria. Google it. It’s a thing.
“In sociology and psychology, mass hysteria (also known as collective hysteria, group hysteria, or collective obsessional behavior) is a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats, whether real or imaginary, through a population in society as a result of rumors and fear (memory acknowledgement).”
There was another one too, that said “It’s that celebrity’s responsibility to help out Hi Cal since he’s a 501(c)3 and clearly can afford it.” He should be making sure they get that permit.
Another one: Terry Kloppenburg · 39:17 Is said… Your personal horses shouldn’t count, I mean to be included in the count of the rescue.
Another one: Carole Joos Cramer · 1:00:57 Is it possible that the county would increase the horse numbers after they do their visit & survey and see there’s plenty of space?
Seriously?
Do these people not have any critical thinking skills?
Unbelievable.
There’s plenty of space? omg, I heard Michelle say how spacious the property is, and from the vantage point of her filming, yes, it looks like plenty of room. Close in, though, are the horses stuffed into every available stall, arena, and round pen. Hell, they’ve even resorted to the trailer and the chicken coop recently!
But Michelle said spacious so now the village idiots know for a fact that there’s plenty of space.
It’s the celebrity’s responsibility??!! Just reminds me why I don’t read most of that stuff anymore.
I like the one that asked if Poseidon could get a kidney transplant. 🙄
Shed, my coffee is all set to go in the morning. 😉
Me too! Coffee is my reward for waking up early to bring breakfast to my neighbor and walk her little dog. She has mobility issues but is still fairly sharp mentally, so that’s a blessing. Some mornings I have more time but if I can have 30 minutes to check in here, do some meal prep for dinner, and reply to work emails while drinking my coffee, I’m ready to face the day. I love coffee!
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-horse-resuce-hicaliber-valley-center-escondido-2014dec25-story,amp.html
Who is responsible? Who should check to see what property zoning and building codes allow? Who or whom? Options are:
1. The property owners
2. The tenants
3. Both 1 + 2 above
4. The haters
How long should a county or city give a business that is not in compliance with zoning or business codes to come into compliance?
1. One year after written notice
2. Two years after written notice
3. A combination of 1 + 2 above or three years
4. Infinite because this is the result of haters
Are these trick questions? Isn’t it always the haters fault?
I’ve contacted that particular reporter and he had said others have contacted him as well. I guess whatever information given wasn’t inspiring enough for him to write another more authentic article.
I’ve read that article a few times and a couple other happy feel goods on HiCaliber and all they inspire in me now is my gag reflex.
That article though.. 😂 Michelle didn’t “sell” her home, the bank foreclosed because she didn’t pay her mortgage.
Doesn’t the photo with the percheron look so sincere? Manson does know how to sell it.
How many hit the blue tarp this week? She needs to make room for tomorrow.
WTH does it mean to say someone rode a horse to show the vet its lameness and just no one can figure out what it is? Rode a horse to show the vet its lameness????? What about the vet coming out, x-rays, hoof testers, lameness exam – NORMAL ways we find out why a horse is lame??? No one questioned that on the feed? Just accepted that will be why one of them gets shot in the face. Still listening to the video and Michelle just said she does right by all the horses. Except she doesn’t. Blames the haters, politics and a rescue war for having to pay fees for a permit required by the county, then says it’s the county policy, they didn’t know they had to pay it, other rescues don’t pay it, blah, blah, blah. Says they have PLENTY of room, but is going to put the horses down for lack of room. Only one violation for the sharps container permit, yet having to lower the herd numbers? Does the herd number not count as a violation? None of it even makes sense, she contradicts herself constantly. And the blatant lies. She does a lot of “Um, um, um’ing…” when she’s lying / making it up as she goes.
Sharps permit?
Can someone link me to that information please?
I cannot seem to find a permit needed. Just info on a sharps container and disposal options.
I’m not in California, so don’t personally know, but she started saying it at around 1:39 in (one minute, thirty nine seconds). She said something about hazardous waste after, but specifically called it a sharps container permit. I still haven’t made it to the halfway mark in the video. No telling what other BS she prattled on about.
I can only find this in reference to those specific words. At the very end is the link for San Diego County.
Safe Disposal of Home Sharps
California law prohibits the disposal of sharps waste, including needles, syringes and lancets, in the regular trash. Sharps waste poses a risk to trash collectors who may accidentally get stuck by a needle, syringe or lancet and be exposed to a disease. Your children, pets, housekeepers, and janitors may also be at risk of a needle stick if needles are improperly stored or disposed.
Click to watch “Drive Up, Drop Off” (Household Sharps Disposal Locations)
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/waste/hhw/chd_hhw_sharps.html
So that twat got popped for throwing needles openly in the trash and now she’s turned it into a permit violation. I bet she got a ticket. LOLOLOL!!!!!
She’s losing it. This could get interesting if only the horses (and other innocent sentient beings) don’t have to pay for the lunacy.
OG
I have seen Sharps containers in videos and photos; so imagine that there are fees involved with container disposal?
Depending.
There are disposal companies but there’s also this
For more information on home-generated sharps management in unincorporated areas, or to find out where to pick up a free sharps container, contact the County of San Diego Household Hazardous Hotline at 1-877-R-1-EARTH (877-713-2784).
Sorry… You can drop off at approved locations.
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/deh/hazmat/med_waste.html
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/deh/hazmat/med_waste.html
Thanks, Concerned
I think she said they were putting them in an appropriate container (?), but that they told her she needed a permit to do so. She said it was taken care of now, but her point was it had been the only violation with several agencies showing up that day. Maybe that day with other violations being prior to? The overcrowding of the place is obviously a violation as well or they wouldn’t be telling her to get her numbers down. And the waste management and whatever else. None of her violations are the fault of so called haters as she portrays it. They are her own doing and it’s hard to believe that she didn’t know she was in violation of some of these codes, considering her past experience as an ACA. I would think anyway. Hard to tell with someone that has such a sketchy relationship with the truth.
Thank you
Individuals don’t need a permit but there are rules for disposal of needles that apply to everyone.
But a business (such as a rescue, vet office, doctors office), needs a permit in San Diego County. And probably in other jurisdictions
And I’m not certain it was just sharps. They are not very tidy there so all sorts of nastiness is probably lying around given all the “procedures” she does.
Thank you Pam, that makes sense.
I’ve gotten a few messages that some of you on mobile phones can only see a black page when it comes to accessing the site. I *think* the problem might be that this thread is so long that it is bogging it down, it’s my only guess–but it is going to be a couple of more days before the newest post goes up. My phone is doing the same thing. If it continues to happen, let us know.
Is Shed OK?
She is and will get up a new post in 1-2 days, even if it is a short one to help with the site getting bogged down.
Shed is great! 😉
Happy to know that!
And, the fundraising has begun!!! Old spiel/new spiel. 🤑🤑🤑🤑
Michelle complains about other rescues not having the same permit but she fails to tell her village that many of the other rescues are located in other counties and therefore don’t have to have the permit. San Diego county permits only apply to those rescues that are located in their county. She cries that no one will step up and adopt medical cases but has denied application after application for many horses just like the one she was crying about. When it comes to horses she clearly has hoarding tendencies. Like the abusive partner that would rather kill the spouse rather than see them with someone else. It was the fake, feel sorry for me cry because I have to kill my horse but as soon as it went to talking about adoption an angrier Michelle came out.
She unjustly vilifies other rescues for not taking in horses from auction – even when prices are low. The things is; other rescues are run correctly and more like a hotel. Each stall/space can accommodate a certain number of horses and costs a certain amount of dollars. When maximum occupancy is reached, any arrivals after that point have to be found appropriate accommodations elsewhere.
Even if Michelle had the money for the major use permit, too many of the horses there are standing around untouched for too long of periods and going lame through inactivity. She doesn’t have the staff (much less a trained and qualified staff) that are getting the horses out and exercised like they need to be.
She says so much about the permit but forgets that she even announced the permit use in 2014 when they were moving onto the property. I don’t feel up to cleaning up the screenshot, but it is available. It’s all deflection, deflection, deflection. The other rescues have a good idea of to whom they can commit, the resources they have, and whether or not their supporters could help them with a case at which they are looking.
M simply sees the monetary value.
This has been an M free day for me today, but I saw one of the commenters talking about Michelle stating that she would not be making executive decisions for much longer. With the legal paperwork that has been filed, she apparently doesn’t realize that she can and still be prosecuted as part of the wrong doing, because we are NAMING her and not just HiC.
There are also the inconvenient rules for charities which make all of the board members liable for damages. It is their responsibility to know what is happening when their organization is taking money from the public.
Yes. It is ont just one Apple but the whole box full. One of the apples seems to be MIA. Think it has Jonathan’s name on it.
I know people claimed he is a bit of an asshole, but then again, that is from people all jockeying to get M’s favor so who knows how accurate that really is.
He did, from what I saw, really did seem to care for the animals. Hell in the beginning I thought M really cared too, so there’s that for reference lol.
Agree completely. Weird too, on one hand she practically praises the agencies for working with them, giving plenty of time to come into compliance, then she blames them or the so called haters, depending on the subject or story at hand for having to thin the herd. She goes on to say how while they have to get their numbers down, they have made it clear that they will not stop taking horses in. At one point, all the personal horses of hers, which she claims she needs to get rid of because she’s sure not going to let her personal horses take up space for those that need saving – then later talking again about everyone’s personal horses, including hers, says how they will have to be counted in the numbers so they can’t take in as many because of it. Again with the contradictions. She never says one way or another if everyone’s personal horses are being taken care of with rescue funds. She refers to the horses as hers and how she makes all decisions about euthanasia, etc.. She really doesn’t get how a good non-profit should be running – and that the animals aren’t hers. They belong to the rescue, which if run properly, the BoD could replace her if necessary. Honestly, if that place stays open, the entire BoD, including M, needs to be replaced. If she really gave a crap about the animals she’d step down and let someone take over that actually knows what they’re doing. Someone that is capable of caring for those poor animals. And STOP bringing more in. We all know why she doesn’t. It’s not about saving them.
Michelle is the BOD.
I have the helicopter gassed up and ready to follow the HiKill Grifters tomorrow. The squadron of super sleuths will be in place with their cloaking devices in place, long distance lenses, hidden microphones all ready to record their every move. We anticipate a busy day,racing from one parking lot & Starbucks to another picking up the poor downtrodden horses from families who have traveled great distances to seek out their help. Being the ONLY ORGANIZATION in the entire State or maybe the World who can help them.
Many of these people cannot feed their families but can afford hundreds of dollars in gas to make to them. From what I understand Manson is well know as the the Pope when it comes to absolution of sins of abuse against animals. She will even PAY YOU TO ABUSE YOUR ANIMALS so she can beg the Villagers for their feel good donations. If you give a lot they will even address you personally on their live feeds. It doesn’t get much better than that.
EXCEPT FOR THE HORSES WHO ULTIMATELY END UP DEAD.
I see they have already raised over $800 just on the Donate button this morning. She needs the $200 + $650 to vet that horse because she is being called a murderer. Well, that is nothing new. She needs to add that Trump song “Money, Money….” As background music in her videos. Look forward to another day of scamming and Grifting ahead. She has to reduce numbers by 50, which is still below what is actually there, so let’s bring in more horses. I am trying to figure out how this is responsible rescue. Waiting for another tearful video for permit funds. Wonder if Romney will make an appearance today. Amanda is not so good at producing any tears. Gee, haven’t seen Jonathan lately. If he jumped ship, hope he has a life raft. Let the Games begin!
She has to raise vet money because she is being called a murderer?? That additional fee is the same amount it’s always been, she didn’t vet with it before, what makes this different?
Thats essentially it – she just indirectly admitted that the money she fundraised for before was not used as she indicated. $650 to cover vetting, ect. Week after week, horse after horse, yet now she say that she needs to vet them because she’s being called a murderer. No, she just got caught euthanizing horses without vet order whilst fraudulently fundraising for vetting. She got caught and won’t admit it.
I’m not going to hold my breath waiting to see the vet report on this poor girl anyway
Luckily, she has gotten caught, she just doesn’t (or maybe she does?) realize it. It has nothing to do with being called a murderer. It doesn’t matter what she uses it for here on out–people are seeking to prosecute her based on her past actions. all of which have been well documented. The fact that she is now changing up leads me to believe that at least one of the authorities has reached out and made contact. Everyone knew that the money was not being used as intended and called her out for it many times and she denied it all. However, it was all documented and sent in to various authorities.
It seems that everyone who knew it wasn’t being used as intended are all “haters”. The recent horror story villager questions have indicated that they really do think Michelle sticks to her word and wouldn’t misuse any funds. But yeah, in her video she stated that numerous agencies were out there recently and what she isn’t saying is what they found and what they have requested of her – except the sharps container thing. There’s clearly more going on – duh. You can’t have mount poop like they do and not get at least a slap on the wrist and request for action, or a pile of carcasses under a tarp with no vet euth write-off without an agency requesting change. Perhaps there were no monetary citations issued, but there sure as heck were requests for change. Why else would she keep indicating that there’s a change in “medical level for euthanasia”? well, if it were up to her she’d keep shooting. It’s no longer up to her.
There’s nothing in place yet that says she can’t keep shooting, although it is an end to which everyone is working–so that is no secret.
However, she will still do it her way–Mas was vet checked and had quality of life per Talbot, M alleges that she developed a “gnarly vaginal discharge,” soon after that and was disposed of anyway.
The question is that now the authorities have an idea of how the fraud is occurring via the euthanasia angle, is whether that will be enough for them to enforce exactly what we are trying to accomplish in that every horse sees a vet, and that euthanasia is performed humanely, BY a vet, and as paid for by donors. That is no big secret, and I have stated all along that was my goal and my intention both publicly and to the authorities.
Those agencies that showed up have no relevance to that part of the investigations.
How is the county not involved and taking action against HC as this is certainly not following the county telling them to reduce numbers? Kind of rubbing it in the county’s face really.
If she shoots them as fast as they come in, they really are not adding to the numbers. Or shooting horses who have been there the longest to make room for incoming. She’s making nice public posts about horses for adoption etc so that unless the county is there to count them, they’ve really got no way to tell. Luckily, there is our side, who keeps the pressure on.
Oh, you caught that??
AG, I think they have gotten extensions and have a date those numbers have to be reduced. Makes sense, in a way, as they can’t expect them to reduce numbers overnight. The County has been to lenient all along. I think it is only continuing complaints that have put pressure on them to enforce their own Codes and do something.
Skip the ad: liar, liar pants on fire song.
Did anyone just see Rom steal bottle babies on their live feed? She just picked them up and walked them to her car and said she’ll pay for them.
Can’t make this stuff up…
Supposedly a PB on the way with bottles. Was surprised one is still alive. No effort to give them anything!! Passed up a cute little calf. Guess this isn’t a livestock day. Thinks two HG walked past her. Hope so. She finds it hilarious. Keep laughing, Rom.
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