I have to admit I was reluctant to make another post so soon for more than one reason. I’m worried that it may become habit-forming and also, the amount of stupid I see going on over on Facebook is, quite frankly, irritating me. I don’t really engage over there, but since there are a few people operating under the assumption that I write this blog so that they can fuel some Facebook drama it kinda drags me through it and I don’t like it. I especially don’t like it when they misconstrue everything and rather than just ask the people who can answer, they go off on some tangent to crazy town making everybody look nuts. This isn’t a game. Having said that, the people who comment on this blog and email me regularly have been awesome, so for them I have a special treat today. Let’s hope it doesn’t result in any additional crazy in other places. It’s a lot to take in so I’m going to ease everybody into things and start with some current events and news before we get into the `meat’ of things. This might require more than one drink because it’s a big read depending on how ambitious you are.
This was taken in the`nursery’ within the past week. I don’t even know what to say. This isn’t the result of one wreck or bad event, this is the result of not keeping on top of things and not giving a shit. It’s also a recipe for a catastrophic injury.
Cozzy was bought by HiCaliber about two weeks ago at auction. They described her as `terrified’ and said she was a 12 year old Standardbred. This was at the same time they acquired poor Waco and a major shell game with the responsible rescue fees ensued. Cozzy was brought back to the ranch, but then in the intake video (above) they said she was immediately adopted out to a `previous adopter’. Robyn describes it as an amazing place that can do quarantine. The only problem with all that is this person admits he has zero horse experience. What he adopted from HiCaliber in the past was a calf and two pot bellied pigs. Also, this mare is said to be quite flighty. As shown in the pics she is still dragging a rope halter around two weeks later and appears to have lost some weight. They basically dumped this mare with a green owner with no support. How’s that for vetting a home? I don’t blame this person at all. At least he’s reaching out beyond HiCaliber for some help and I truly hope he gets some good help. His intentions seem good, but again, this is not rescue. They flipped a horse.
Then this happened on Sunday. I think most people have seen it by now but we’ll throw it up here for documentation anyhow. The horses in question are Courney, who was purchased by HiCaliber back in October, and Promise, who was the costar of the infamous Manson running at auction video back in early December that reminded many of us of The Blair Witch Project. Both horses have been with HiCaliber more than long enough to have gained weight and look better. They are both messes. Manson went on a live feed rant on Monday about how it wasn’t an abscess on Promise’s shoulder but was a wound that had been sutured that had come open during the trailer ride. Umm, no shaving signs or anything else and it’s not they type of wound that you would suture, but as usual nothing is EVER Manson’s fault. I doubt either horse have ever seen a brush or even much handling in the entire time they were at HiCaliber. I don’t really have that much else to say other than we’re going to see a whole bunch more of crap like this in the coming weeks as Manson scrambles to get her numbers down as she continues to buy even more. I’m not exactly sure how any of this is rescue when both horses look worse than when she bought them. Horses aren’t supposed to fail to thrive at rescue or get beat up and left with festering wounds. That’s supposed to be the situation you rescue them FROM.
This brings us to Coyotegate. I know most people have heard about Barrett getting `attacked’ by coyotes and various and increasingly dramatic versions of that story over the past few days. It wasn’t that long ago that Manson had wrinkles popping off rounds to `scare’ them away while Engineer was in the arena. As you can see in the screenshots above, Manson and Wrinkles aren’t the only ones that get off on shooting things and it would appear a hunting party is being organized including somebody that wants to bow hunt. Why kill with a clean shot when you can mortally wound an animal and have it suffer for a bit and crawl off to die? This brings us to the blood pic on the last post. I guess we need to clarify things.
I have heard all kinds of stupid about this picture and speculation. Naturally the village idiots are in denial, but as you can see, Manson confirms it is exactly what I said it was. This is a blown up version of the one I had posted before with labels so we can be clear that no, there were no bodies under the tarps. They had been removed already. However, what is extremely disturbing about this picture for me is the manure pile on top of the blood. We know that Jackson Max and Beatrice were the horses killed that day but not the order of the kills. Obviously the second horse to be killed stood beside the body of the first and in a pool of blood while waiting to die. One of the things that makes slaughter inhumane is that horses smell blood and feel fear. Now, consider that there is usually far less blood on a kill floor than is shown in this pic and that a horse about to die stood in it. The only thing different about going to slaughter for these poor souls is their bodies usually go to landfill rather than a dinner table or render. Jackson Max was sick when he died and Beatrice had only just arrived. The were hardly surrounded and comforted by familiar people. They were straight up executed and then, at least one of them was cut open for `science’ and harvesting by the looks of things. This is NOT rescue
This brings us to the special treat part of this post. I think most of us are all too familiar with Manson coming on live feed after one of her multiple visits from various agencies saying that they found nothing and she’s made `friends’ with them all. It’s no secret that the LA SPCA was brought in due to a conflict of interest with their local agency. They had a site visit on January 3, 2018 and, as luck would have it, Dr. Talbot was there that day as well as Manson and Wrinkles. Because officers carry recording devices, we have a transcript of the entire visit in glorious detail, including one of Manson’s classic rants. So, I’m going to highlight some of the more fun parts for you here and leave you with a link if you feel like reading all 80 pages later. Just for reference, Dr. T is Dr. Talbot and Dr. S is one of the investigators along with Cpt. Cesar Perea. Later in the transcripts `female’ is Wrinkles.
The visit starts with Dr. Talbot. I’m truly not impressed. He seems to believe Manson’s story that these horses are all slaughter bound and not aware that shipping horses for the purpose of slaughter is illegal in the state of California. Also, the kinds of horses Manson is picking up from her flipper buddies aren’t the kinds of horses anybody makes money on shipping to slaughter anyhow. He does offer up xrays and claims that he sees every horse, but there also seemed to be a lot of stammering and stuttering going on.
There you have it, folks. Manson overrules the vet straight from his own mouth. He goes on to talk about the local `culture’ and how there isn’t a home for a 25 year old lame horse etc. He’s basically repeating Manson’s spiel.
Now we know what their vet feels about the deaths and gunshot euths. We also know where the bodies go after Manson chops them up. Talbot then goes onto say he wouldn’t `try’ with some of the horses they do and talks about gelding three a week or something. He’s all over the map. He reads nervous from this transcript.
More talk about euthanasia and then he starts to talk about Moss `engaging’ in the internet antics of HiCaliber. He goes onto say he doesn’t know what Facebook is and doesn’t bother with things like that.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that Manson’s vet is pro slaughter considering the other guys she does business with. Again, I find it frustrating that none of these people seem to realize that it is illegal to ship horses to slaughter and, if they do know that, never mention it as maybe an issue that HiCaliber is covering for people that they know do this type of thing.
It kinda sounds like Dr. T isn’t having as much fun there as Manson would have us believe. I sincerely hope nobody is making threats. I know there is a shitload of crazy festering over on Facebook in one of the gazillion anti-HiCal groups but do NOT threaten people. Not cool. Not ever. If anybody threatens HiCaliber’s vet they are not putting horses first. Asking polite questions is one thing, but threatening people and acting like an asshole is never ok. You can’t bitch about Manson performing her own vet procedures and then run off the only vet that will even work with her.
Now we get to the fun part. Manson’s interview. I’m really not going to post every little thing since she basically just repeats a lot of what she always says, but I’ll try to dig a few nuggets out for everybody that’s too lazy to read the whole thing.
Manson talks about harvesting organs and one of the things I notice is this investigator isn’t buying what she’s selling. She kinda skirts around the issue of who she is donating these organs to and also the relinquishment issue. The two horses she killed that day were Bellona and Barbara and she was obviously planning on chopping up their bodies.
The `Nina’ she is referring to was Ninna. We all know that Ninna actually was losing weight and was shot in the face not long after this site visit. As you can see Manson also bald-faced lied about where Ninna came from. She was actually bought off Misner and she was not an evidence case nor were there two more headed her way.
This is some seriously fucked up logic on display here. Manson is all concerned about having horses see other horses be shot in the face, but she’s perfectly fine standing one next to a dead body and in a river of blood? Really??
The inaudibles are starting to piss me off!
I’m wondering if Dumbass Darrel counts as a celebrity because other than that Lena Dunham was out there some years ago and she’s kind of an asshole too. I doubt either of them are buying the ranch for Manson. A girl can dream though!
So, there’s a lot being said here, but a major problem here is that Manson thinks she owns the horses. I can assure you that they are not `hers’. The horses bought with donor dollars are considered charitable assets. They are not her personal property.
It always comes back to killing shit with Manson. No, she was not an AC officer at 19 yrs old. Maybe she was pretending to be one and torturing small animals or something. Who knows? They say every killer gets their start that way so it’s not outside the realm of possibility.
Ummm No. Just, no. No, they did not recently have a `satellite site’ up on Cole Grade. Maybe, just maybe, she’s referring to a place they shuffled some horses for a day when they knew the county was coming to inspect last year like they did, but there was not a satellite operation and the extra horses there are not `just temporary’ like she says.
I’m not sure who the guy she had that is doing full-time tractoring is, but he needs a new job. We know it’s not JonASSthan because he’s jumped ship recently and Jesus is long gone. The `chick’ from San Diego Humane is the officer that pays her regular visits at auction but what I find funny about Manson’s comments is her own qualifications or lack thereof for everything she does. You know somebody is doing their job when Manson has something negative to say about it. However, she catches herself in a lie. She says she was an AC officer for 13 years, but earlier had said she done it since she was 19 years old. She’s older than that and, just to be clear, most of her AC officer years were not active.
If she has 300 volunteers a month, why are the waters always empty and why is that place so filthy? What are they doing? Also yes, yes she does euthanize healthy horses.
The horse she is referring to was Barbara. If you need to refresh your memory about Barbara you can read about her here. Barbara was a turning point for many people and given the condition she was in, I’m not sure how she was so dangerous. The poor horse could barely stand up. However, given the abuse she must have suffered at the hands of Fice to get in that condition, I wouldn’t blame her if she was violent. Does anybody believe she was loved on and shown kindness in her last moments?
I don’t really get Manson’s obsession with FHR and its founder, but she’s likely lying. As far as how she treats every single person that donates to HiC, well, I’m sure you’ve all seen the `choke on a dick’ screenshot that has been making the rounds lately. Moving on…
I’m even less of an MD than I am a DVM and I’m a 0% DVM, so can anybody tell me if they know of any doctor that would prescribe somebody injectable migraine meds? I’m serious, I’ve never heard of such a thing and I know people who take Imitrex and they don’t `pop’ themselves with it. They take a pill. However it is a half assed acknowledgement from Manson that yes, people have seen her injecting herself. I doubt that the parade incident involved Imitrex just because she had just fallen on her ass off a horse.
This is where Wrinkles shows up (female) and things get weird. Manson tries to make like the mountains of manure is just because people were away over Christmas. We all know different but even if that was the case, that’s crap. I’ve worked with horses most of my life and they still get fed and looked after on Christmas day, including clean stalls.
I swear she has these rants memorized but what I find intriguing is she’s talking to investigators here. It’s like she has zero social filters. I have a foul mouth and I could probably swear Manson under the table without even trying, but time and a place. I’m just going to go ahead and assume that Manson did not write How To Win Friends and Influence People.
I wonder if Dr. Grove realizes how often Manson throws him under the bus and name checks him lately? I find this rant disturbing. All this talk of chopping horses up and dead being dead, but then what about Johnny Cade? Remember she needed $1600 to cremate him because she couldn’t send him to the landfill even though his ashes have yet to make an appearance. Maybe only some horses are science. I have no idea what `cowlick’ is.
This is just more of an FYI. Not sure I believe everything she is saying here given the amount of lies in the rest of this document.
This part of the conversation is important. Manson often likes to tell us that these visits are no big deal and they were `cleared’. Cpt. Perea clearly states that is not the case and this particular visit wasn’t for a specific incident. However, he does go on to basically say how they need things reported which I have highlighted. Moving forward, if people see something that needs to be reported, that’s how you’re going to get it taken seriously.
These are excerpts from a classic Manson rant. Truly classic. Who talks like this to investigators that is in their right mind? Rhetorical question btw…
This part is my absolute favorite part of the entire 80 pages. It might be my most favorite thing EVER to do with this whole sorry mess. I snarfed coffee out my nose the first time I read it. Obviously this was from after they got in their vehicle but before they turned the recording off.
So, that’s the highlights of the transcript. If you care to read it, the entire thing is at this link , if that doesn’t work try this one. It’s a lot of the same thing, but probably still worth the read. I know this is going to get taken over to Facebook and the usual suspects are going to go nuts. I’m not above calling out crazy on either side of the fence and my patience is extremely thin the more this escalates. If there weren’t actual lives at stake here, it’s a rather fascinating study in human nature. Manson is dug in saying she thrives on this drama. That’s all well and good. I see things like her kill spot and the condition of horses leaving that rescue and I’m dug in too. Those animals are about as innocent and vulnerable as it gets and somebody has to advocate for them. When I started this back in May, I thought a couple of posts, HiC might knock their shit off or at least I got things off my chest and we’d all go our own ways. I never in a million years knew the depths of the corruption and evil that was going on or about to. Each week I’m actually surprised in a not so good way. I think every single person that is involved in this on whichever side needs to have a good think about what their motive is. Are you in it for drama? Because your feelings got hurt? Is it about winning? Need to be a hero? If it’s any of those things, anything other than for those horses, then you need to find a new hobby. This is NOT a game and the only ones that are going to win here are those horses, so all the wannabe heroes and turd flingers can take several seats because there is work to do and ain’t nobody backing down at this point. Have a great week!
Edited to add: I am going to put this out here right now. I’m starting to feel with all of the crazy out there that we are sort of adrift alone on our little island trying to get things done properly. Everyone is going crazy trying to one up each other, while over here we stay sort of rational and focused. Y’all are a wonderful group and we are both proud you are with us–but the rest of this BS has got to stop.
To that end, Shed and I are in agreement that no mention of any of the FB drama is going to be brought here and although sharing the blog is fine, and actually encouraged–we respectfully ask that people stop taking pictures from the blog and posting them everywhere. A lot of misinformation occurred with at least one of the photos last week, and it really upset the people who provided the pictures and we would prefer that they not stop sharing it with us so that we can get the information out to you.
Anyone see the latest video? Hell, she’s probably still rambling … I can only take so much. She stated that the news was out to interview her regarding her cutting up horses after she shoots them and she’s going on and on and on about how she gives these parts to vet students to practice on.
I just find it disconcerting that she chops these poor horses after shooting them. I’d have no problem if this is true. Of course, it’s not ajways vet recommended euthanasia but think this is the first time I’ve heard this explanation.
Oh and of course she doesn’t remember the name or station affiliation because she’s getting so many calls from the press.
I find it extremely disconcerting too, but you can thank the Horror Page for sending the media out to give her another platform to spread her fucked up philosophies.
Really?! 😦 I read where one of their supporters (Larkin?) claimed she’d gotten a bite after contacting some media outlets. She said they were coming out but refused to name what station.
Larkin the Big Lick apologist? Yeah, she’s an idiot.
Everyone has been claiming to having been in contact with a reporter, which makes me question their judgement, unless they were deliberately planning to give them ammunition to do a fluff piece on M.
What precisely is a reporter going to say, UNLESS it is to build up M? One agency does not even confirm active investigations, and the AG will also do a no comment until they have drafted a formal accusation, and something else might be flying completely under the radar for all they know. They can make all of the accusations they want, but without proof of charges being filed, any reporter is going to be pretty leery about going to print without anything to back it up. Most of the time things about animal rescues are fluff pieces anyway, written by the “pretty pony” lovers without any clue of how or what horses should look like. I remember one written by a reporter who glowingly described the kind and compassionate rescuers lifting a foal from the mud where he was literally stuck when he laid down because the place was such a shithole. The reporter had no clue that the situation shouldn’t have occurred in the first place, and the foal could have suffocated in the second, or weakened so badly that he died. Instead, all of his praise went to the so-called compassionate rescuers–who were later cited for failing to euthanize a horse walking around on a broken leg and allowing her to suffer for days.
There is a time and a place for everything, and everything needs to be approached methodically and set in place for one step before we move onto another. M is at this point being besieged on all points of attack of which we can think to approach, and it has all been done legally, from information presented here. The time and place for a reporter would certainly be after official paperwork has been filed and on the books and then people could describe everything they have contributed to the cause upon which the charges were based, if they were so inclined. Shed and I won’t be one of them, but hey, to each their own.
Today was a VERY good day and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for us all 😀
You have to remember this is the same Michelle who said LA SPCA came out and left “friends” then closed the case the same day.
I don’t doubt she has been contacted by the media, but that doesn’t mean they’re doing a puff piece. Hopefully, she engaged in her typical verbal diarrhea and that will be published verbatim.
A girl can dream!
She also thought she had a `lovely conversation’ with the couple on the plane and that turned out to be far from the truth also.
Legend in her own world, TMZ is calling. WTAF!!
Wonder which vet she is supplying and if she gets a break on her bill for this? Wonder if it could be considered “sales” even tho no money has changed hands but there is a discount (value) on paper?
That would be an interesting transaction to examine from both sides, if it really does happen.
Anybody can ask vets questions. Anybody. Keep it polite and sane. The worst they can say is they prefer not to answer. Personally, I doubt that vet clinics are phoning her for body parts.
It’s all about protecting the horses. It is such a bitter pill to swallow that our law enforcement has not got the prospective to see what we see. You are right though, they will eventually and when it cracks – the HiCaliber universe will crash and BURN under the weight of their own wrongdoing.
The photo of the fencing makes me wonder: has anyone advised their landlord what is going on out there?
I really have to share a little bit of excitement on my end, I was so happy to see that Ginny got adopted! I’ve had a thing for that mare ever since watching HC completely arse up trying to load her in the trailer, and have been super worried about her ever since. I don’t know anything about her adopter, but in the photo they took she at least has decent posture, and I can’t imagine it’s anything but a step up. Took a huge sigh of relief when I saw that!
In local news, unseasonably warm day today for February in the North-East, water tubs scrubbed, some ice chipped away, horses brushed within an inch of their lives, and gargantuan amounts of melting manure shoveled. I’m going to sleep well tonight!! Haha. Hints of spring are always exciting, but there’s still tons more work to get through before it’s really here. Still, happy 55 degrees everyone! 😀
That is amazing news!! I was very worried about that Mare as well after watching how they were handling her in the trailer video.
Atta girl, Ginny! You made it out!
Thanks for the post, as always. Sifting through Facebook gets exhaustive to try figure out which end is up.
I laughed at the “How To Win Friends and Influence People” comment. I started that book last week. Apparently there are other methods to appropriately dislike/disagree with people without telling them to go drink bleach.
Or telling them to EAD?
OMG will I be on TMZ tonight?!!!
She’s socially inept, at best. Her self help efforts stop when the Botox syringe is empty.
I honestly think that she tried to adopt her “edgy” persona, and received such a Godlike complex from the adoration of her villagers, that she has forgotten proper social discourse.
She is a legend in her own mind, but that only works in our favor–and I can hardly wait to watch what happens as that snowball gains momentum.
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Thank you to whoever used the freedom of information act to get the LA County AC transcript.
Good job!
Did anyone else pick up Dr Talbots views on gunshot euthanasia? He states he thinks it’s humane BUT he does not do it; nor does he want to observe it. Doesn’t sound like a fan. Does he?
Most vets aren’t. Most sane people consider it an emergency only situation.
I watched all 2 hours and some odd minutes of her latest live “rant”, I mean facebook live. Dear god, I think I may have a brain aneurysm now. I think I may have finally done myself in. I need to step away when she is on live but it is like a really bad train wreck. She threw Dr. Talbot under the bus, and of course she is trying like hell to throw Anne Kline under another bus. Of course she ranted over and over about those mares that she recently relinquished then mentioned sending adoptions emails over to someone (thinking maybe either an investigator o maybe a reporter?). I wonder if the press has the pictures of Courney or of Promise? That neck wound did not happen overnight and if it ever was sutured (I doubt it) it was done back in December when they got that mare. Ugh I pray that HiKill gets the boot. Those transcripts are enough to make me wonder what crazy train Kuntilla jumped off of. Jesus in a freaking handbasket, you cannot make this stuff up.
LOl Dr. T backed up almost everything she said, although he quantified it as having heard it from her. I find her new fixation with the CVMB interesting. Is it because she has heard some of the FB pages use it, or is there another reason? Inquiring minds would like to know.
When he claimed that they sometimes overruled him, I noticed that he did not mention that sometimes it is in the case of horses like Mas who he pronounced as having quality of life and M shot her anyway. M should be grateful to him for that.
As I was reading his statements the little voice in the back of my head was wondering if this might be the final straw for Dr. T. He seemed so uncomfortable. I guess that voice was wrong since the interview was in January and he’s been out there since then.
I think he is definitely uncomfortable at being placed in this situation but since he admittedly does not do social media/the internet, he has no clue how big this fiasco is. He is going strictly by what she tells him, and I am certainly glad that he did quantify almost everything as “he heard it from her.” He has got to get yucky vibes just being around her.
We all better hope it wasn’t. Those horses need some sort of vet out there. Even if she doesn’t let him do much at least he’s still the one doing the geldings. God help those animals if she starts doing that herself.
Very True
A Vet making 40 grand a month or so per HiKill is not doing it out of the kindness of his heart. Utterly NO respect for this man and wouldn’t let him touch a grasshopper on my place.
I think he’s an old fool too, but I doubt he’s making that much off them. Probably not even half that.
Yeah, I caught the last part of it. She says she’s signing off and then blathers and rants on for a whole other hour. I try to listen while I’m doing other things but I just can’t sit through it all. Same shit, all the time. Lie, lie, lie.
I’m attempting to watch some of it while cleaning the kitchen. She just said she has to get off live and get things done and the timer is telling me there is an hour and a half still remaining…..
I cannot for the life of me understand how they have time to do these lives, and I was dying laughing at the last rant (which honestly I only made it about 10 minutes into) but she said she’s going to clip that horse in order to be useful while doing a live feed, but I skipped forward through the video and she is leaning against the horse for the majority of the time!
Boy I wish I had that many hours in a day!
I have no desire to live on live feed but I’m also too busy to have one hand tied up holding a phone all the time. I tend to concentrate on whatever it is I’m doing at any one time.
Haha, I should clarify, I don’t want the time on a live feed (yuck), just those 2-3 hours a day that obviously aren’t ear-marked for anything else… I can just imagine what I could get done if I had that kind of extra time!
My favorite part of that rant? Her not understanding what was wrong with the Midas post. For someone who claims to know a lot about laws and penal codes she had no idea it’s illegal to solicit prescription medications, or give a a medication prescribed to one animal to a completely different one. Really Manson? You should probably study up on veterinary law since you like to pretend so much.
My favorite part was her assessment of the gaits on little paint baby. He took like 5 lazy trot steps in each direction and she is exclaiming he has TONS of suspension and is a dressage prospect.
Dipshit, you don’t look at the trot to judge whether a horse might make good dressage horse. You look at the walk and canter. And while a good trot is great and all, you aren’t going to get a good assessment of it with Robyn’s half assed attempt at trotting him out in a fucking parking lot. Ya dumb bitch.
LMAO!
I always laugh at her assessments. The only discipline she is qualified to comment on is starfishing.
I also enjoyed that part. Someone put him into dressage!!! 🤣
Right and I would think the VMB would question that also.
Truer words were never spoken. She will be educated soon, however. Or so I hope, if it has not been derailed.
By the recent article? I hope not. What would happen then? It doesn’t seem like there would be an easy fix.
Nothing about this is easy.
I get so tired of hearing a horse has “great suspension, great bounce” at the trot like she’s some expert on dressage prospects. 😕
Has she noticed that ALL foals have that wonderful trot? Drives me nuts to see people posting foals as they make them jump, calling them great jump prospects. ALL foals demonstrate jumping ability with high knee action!
If they aren’t 3/5 lame and over 15H she thinks they are dressage prospects or jumpers.
re: the live video from 2/27 – she states the mexicans give them the horses because the vet practices all over southern california are english-speaking. they can’t find someone to talk to about a hurt horse and take their payment, so they give it to HiCal.
really? i find this extremely hard to believe that not a single vet has spanish speaking staff…
Being that close to the border I’m surprised, too. I remember going in the Costco in Chula Vista several years back and all of the demos (“kitchen master! It dices, it slices”) we’re completely done in Spanish.
I grew up North of LA and I was functionally fluent in Spanish myself.
That has me dumbstruck… I speak only a couple words of Spanish and a few ladies I know don’t speak a lot of English but we manage okay. Money is pretty important to most people so I can’t imagine how that can’t be translated. I know a few Mexican Americans that know more about horses than that group sitting at the “Ranch” so I find her comment offensive.
Consider that many of them, including her BFFs Potenza and Huggons have a Mexican staff working in their barns. I’m sure they could translate for them, but again, Salvador and Nacho communicate just fine.
Just an FYI Manson, my vet is not Hispanic, but he speaks FLUID spanish. AND he’s local, but thank GOD he won’t work for HiKill.
Oh, and P.S. Manson, he has a ton of Hispanic clients. So there shoots that theory.
ahemcoughRODRIGOVASQUEZahemcough.
To name just one.
Trying to keep up.
The difference between hicaliber and normal horse people are comments like these. I have a pretty good sense of humor but this comment from this person is just sick considering the hell these horses go through at the hands of the flippers and hicaliber.
Amberlee Justesen · 1:34:59 But how can the horse run free at the rainbow bridge if you cut off its legs?? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Amberlee Justesen · 5:36 Totally sisters from a different mister…though my dad got around…so who knows😂😂
Another foolish person trying to look cool and edgy? Throw in a dash of insecurity too? M just loves her Villagers though… They certainly justify her wrong doings.
It occurs to me that this is probably painfully obvious to everyone else by now (so yeah I can be a little on the obtuse side) but its a kindred spirit of weirdness thing? That’s all fine and good, even weirdos need somewhere to belong, but why horses? Find something else to bond over besides horses: Dungeons & dragons, fat girl porn***, Justin Bieber. I don’t care. Just leave the horses out of your weirdness. ***As in the making of. It occurred to me when reading one of the above comments that it seems like an industry Manson might be suited for, when she needs to actually find a way to make a living. Just seems like the type, definitely not shy, obsessive about EingAD, willing to say and probably do anything.
***Forgot to include extremely performance-oriented
Fat Girl Porn… Lol!
LMAO @ suggested bonding things!
Did you see Manson’s reaction to that questions. Disgusting.
No, I’m not sure I want to… She’s just so excessive.
I just wanted to say my heart goes out to those of you here that suffer from chronic migraines. I get 1-2 a month. They aren’t frequent enough per my MD to warrant a prescription drug. I am lucky an OTC at least keeps the edge off of them. I couldn’t imagine chronic migraines. My heart just aches for you guys.
They won’t even give you a triptan or something? I’d see a different doctor if that were the case. I have chronic migraines, get the botox for migraines and everything. I have to say though that I’ve never had the inject-able imitrex, but the pill form is my best friend. It must not be super common anymore to give the inject-able, because I’ve had three different neurologists and none have ever recommended it. I have had a torodol injection but that was done at an Urgent Care.
Just a tidbit of advice if your migraines are severe enough to impair function you can go to urgent care (with someone else driving) and they’ll administer toradol (unless you are allergic to it) and it rids the migraine within 20 minutes or so. I used to have hospitalization worthy migraines due to the effects they have on me. I was put on a preventative that works incredibly well, but sometimes one breaks through and one doctor informed me of toradol injections which work wonders for me. It resolves my migraines in no time and I wish I had known about it sooner. Nothing else has worked to rid them once they come, but the preventative helped me go from 2-3 migraines a week to 1 every other month, if that.
Thank you all for your kind words. I am lucky OTC keeps mine manageable. I still feel like crap, but I can suck it up and work through it. As long as I get my meds on board while I”m getting my aura I can handle it. That’s interesting about the dog. I wonder if my dog could be taught to do that. I don’t get to pick my doctor b/c of our insurance. I just feel blessed that we have health insurance through my husband’s job. I just could not imagine getting migraines 2-3 times a week. It’s bad enough once or twice a month. Chiropractic seemed to help me, but I got scared of having my neck adjusted. Thank you guys for the advice. This is a good group of people.
What about accupuncture? I find it really helps for a number of issues.
Speaking of migraines..I met a person recently that has a pit bull that tells her when she is going to have a migraine. Usually about 30 minutes before the migraine hits. She started noticing that the dog was clingy and insisted on laying on her about 30 minutes before a migraine would surface. So now she takes her meds as soon as the dog signals a migraine. She said by taking the medicine early, it really helps to shorten the longevity and severity of the migraine.
I think it’s interesting that Michelle claims she is taking a drug for migraines but is able to function like nothing is wrong. The dog owner I spoke to said that even though the dog signals her and she takes meds ASAP, she is still down for the count.
The people I know with migraines are pretty much knocked on their ass when they have to take a rescue drug like Imitrex. Very cool that dog alerts for her though. Animals never cease to amaze me.
Shedrow just so you know Imetrex does come in a prefilled syringe injection cartridge. Imetrex and it’s generic are the only ones for migraines available as an injection. Google is miraculous 😉 Thanks for the update on the mess. I remain dumb founded they are allowed to continue. But hoping her rant with inspectors at least opened their eyes.
Toradol is also injection, available to be prescribed for migraines, though most physicians won’t do it.
I was given Toradol in the pill form after my knee surgery.
NoMoreBullets – That’s very sweet of you to offer empathy. 🙂 It really does only take one migraine to understand how horrendous they are. I get daily migraines (intensity varies) ever since my total thyroidectomy for thyroid cancer five years ago. I am never a day without pain or nausea or any of the many other wonderful symptoms of migraine. So far my migraines are resistant to all treatments I’ve tried but luckily I have a new neurologist who is INCREDIBLE so I have hope for the first time in a long time. Yesterday I received occipital nerve blocks (Botox doesn’t work for me) and it has helped one major area of pain so far. I’ve tried acupuncture and other natural/herbal remedies and they do not work for me either but I know a lot of people who have had great success with it. I always recommend acupuncture to people with migraines. Feverfew and Butterbur are good natural supplements that sometimes help reduce the occurrence of migraines. My body is just an asshole and doesn’t respond to anything that would be natural and, presumably, healthier. ::sigh::
I do want to say to anyone that gets migraines at ALL – Don’t be afraid to advocate for yourself with your doctors. If one thing doesn’t work, try something else, and keep on trying. I feel like a lot of neurologists and general practitioners are just plain lazy when it comes to treating migraines if they don’t get migraines themselves.
And so I can tie this in to the blog topic a bit and give a message to Michelle and friends if they read this – NoMoreBullets’ comment is what it looks like to show care and concern for someone or something other than yourself. Try it.
Does anyone else remember the adage “Dazzle them with bullshit blah blah blah…” She (M) follows a pattern for the chronic liar. When confronted and faced with undeniable proof, it explodes into a diatribe of useless, often chaotic BS. Anything to detract from fact finding, evidence gathering, and analytics.
She has mastered the art of Chaos and Disturbance. Every time she goes live she lays more groundwork for protecting her self. There are gobs of video footage no sane person would throw out there, right? She’s injecting an unknown substance, in front of witnesses! She’s claimed PTSD like symptoms for more than just her self. She’s claimed adverse effects on her children due to the drama associated with running the rescue. And people keep playing right in to her hands with all the drama. Go ahead and make a threat against her person or property. You’re doing exactly what she wants you to. What she needs you to do to back up her alibi/reasons for her actions. Heaven forbid she has actual proof to back this crap up.
As much as I hate to say it, as Director she is correct. She CAN euthanize every single horse there. Depending upon how policy is set up and with the board being so fluid, it is going to be super easy for her to claim she had Board approval for all euths. Who knows what kind of meeting minutes they are actually keeping? What are they voting on? Who dictates policy? There are rules to follow for BOD’s, are they following procedure? If I am not mistaken all minutes of meetings are property of the rescue. I don’t think they have to make them public. I am still researching that. It gives me more than a moments pause wondering how much they legally have to disclose. What happens if they choose not to make anything available to the public. Is it strictly a civil matter? Or are there criminal offenses buried in the muck?
No one is going to be able to prove anything when the sh!t hits the fan. These folks are going to be scrambling to cover their own asses. He said she said? It’s gonna come down to who has the best attorney at the time and who got in front of allegations by turning over evidence to the proper authorities. Or not. Who knows what they are fabricating? Her claims at celebrity status, IMO, are choreographed to explain a myriad of sins. To be used and walk away free because it was all the persona, not the real her. I’d love to see a real Psychiatrist weigh in on her mental disorders and current line of behavior.
Does anyone really think this woman does not have an exit strategy in place? She is low class trash, but she is not stupid. She is a master of manipulation. I am actually in awe at the skill she shows in reading people face to face. Never underestimate her. She has an agenda, and she will skate out of this with little to no repercussion if it isn’t handled correctly. People get away with murder every single day on a technicality.
I cringe every time she goes live now. I worry that it’ll be horse after horse lined up for “euthanasia” because she has Board approval to shut shit down. Since there are so many horses there, euthanasia could be deemed a viable option if she closes the doors. Where are they going to go? Who can handle that number of horses at the drop of a hat? Or the whim of a director of her ilk? I’m really worried for the future of the HC horses.
The saying is “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull shit.” 😉
Sorry. I knew what the saying was but I did put a purposeful twist on it.
That is a very sobering assessment with important questions and observations. Thank you for laying it out so clearly. She is obviously a manipulator but I am not sure she’s as great at reading people face to face. She claims to be on good terms and friends with people that don’t see it that way at all (like the investigators in the transcript) and all the people she was tight with that caught on to her bs – like Tara and almost every legitimate horse rescuer. Maybe she can just immediately tell the ones that she can’t fool at all and avoids them.
It is sad that it is so difficult to hold all of these people accountable.
The more I think about it the more I wonder if she can pick up on social cues or if it’s just her lying out her lie hole as usual. I’m thinking maybe about 50/50
If you wanted to add to the confusion and put people under the gun, why wouldn’t you claim a friendship knowing full well there isn’t one? She is a very manipulative person. You can almost see the wheels turning in her head on spinning BS her way. In a positive manner, no. In an effective manner to garner more attention, yep. And all the while the killing, the harvesting, and the dying keeps going 😦 Sadly, for the horses, it’s a no win situation at present.
Actually, I have to differ, to an extent that makes the point arguable in the eyes of the law, which we are trying to obtain.
Dispersion of charitable assets are dictated by the vote of the BOD, of which there is currently not one in the eyes of the IRS, so that is rather iffy. The people she claims are on the Board are no longer there (supposedly) to perform the function of a BOD . However, most importantly, anything to do with charitable assets MUST benefit the charity, as does the use of charitable assets for profit, as evidenced of how NOT to do it by Amanduh’s use of the horse for riding lessons and going into her pocket with a mere 7.50 cents donated back to the rescue and 67.50 cents going into her own. per lesson
What makes this case remarkable and a conundrum for the authorities is that in most animal rescue cases, fees are not fundraised for by rescues/shelters. The animals are given up to shelters as owner relinquishments, etc so that therefore they are not considered charitable assets. In this case, they did fundraise for the animals and donors paid for them, which makes this all new territory. Again, since that is the case, it makes the shooting of animals an entirely different deal because their disposal does not benefit the charity, except that they are no longer on the fed bill, no vet need to be paid, and we know that money is being taken out to go into Michelle’s pocket that shouldn’t be.
This is one of the myriad reasons why we–Shed and I–have been working with the authorities to tie this all together. It’s like a big circle, and it is our job to fill those gaps and make it complete. And because authorities have an aversion to actual investigation without proof, thereby stretching out budgets and staff, we have to “lead” them to it by providing everything for which the authorities ask, and are still doing so to present day.
That is part of the reasons we are happy when we are notified that enough proof has been provided to officially declare an investigation, but unfortunately, it doesn’t end there. We are still providing information as they ask, but I live in fear that the authorities WILL take the easy way out in order to simply get this over with because it IS complicated, so we continue the fight. It would be easy for them to say yes she can do it, which means it is up to us–and has been for some time–to prove that we can argue otherwise.
However, as I stated earlier..it is a beautiful day 🙂
Dang. Here’s to whomever came up with that avenue of pursuit. Borderline brilliant.
Thank you for clearing some of that up for me. And giving me another avenue to answer my questions. I’ve found so much info on running a 501 (c) 3, finding fact in the fiction has been a hard thing. It seems rules can differ from state to state and even county to county on what actually is included in accountability. I hadn’t thought to check via the IRS. Hmm tax exemption and such should have led me there.
I applaud the efforts Shed and Company have made to bring this group of people to light in the public eye, and hopefully some day, to justice .
Yes, but because this IS a whole ‘nother ball game with them fundraising and purchasing the horses, then she provides that information herself on her 2015 990’s page 10, line 24b. Although I had the premise correct, then I consulted with a charitable law lawyer to provide that information to the CVMB and AG to make it easier for them to understand and see how it applies.
What is CVMB?
California Veterinary Medical Board
You will even get different answers from the IRS, too.
That’s true for a lot of things. Some irs guidance is pretty sketchy while other guidance is very clear, not sure why that is. But you are going to force them to provide some kind of opinion and/or guidance.
Which I should have added is a positive.
That is where you finally hire a professional to specializes in that area of the law and interpret it, so that if a question should ever arise, you can show that you took steps to achieve the best results that you could! (Not saying you’d end up in court, but that is always my viewpoint on things.)
D, if you’re not a lawyer, you should be. This is EXACTLY spot on and we are lucky to have you (and Shed) on our side of the fight. You are doing it in a way that will (hopefully) get serious results that can have a positive effect on horse rescue and 501c3s that will set a precedent to help prevent situations like this from happening in the future – or if not preventing them, then making them more easily punishable. BRAVO, you two! Major respect.
In narcissist speak it’s called “word salad”.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet as I haven’t read through all the comments but, did anyone else notice that she’s told the VI that they have to get the permit because haters complained, yet to the investigators it’s that they’re CHOOSING to get it? So which is it? It really doesn’t matter other than it’s just one more thing she can’t tell the truth about.
She is on record, telling the investigators in January that they have to get the permit because they have over three horses. She has bitched that no other local horse rescues have to get one but my understanding is that the other rescues were grandfathered in long before Hicaliber came to their current location.
The permits came into effect in 10/11/2013, before she ever moved onto the property. Before she moved onto the property, she referred to “discussing the permits with the County,” etc. in 2014. Yet another lie to add to her manure pile.
Manson is one sick individual, exploiting innocent animals for her never ending need for attention. She can rant all day long, spewing obscenities laced with indignation and it still won’t fool anyone who can differentiate between right and wrong.
Humility is truly a virtue, having to tell everyone how great you are only screams how pathetic you really are.
I don’t agree the way the rescue transfer was handled on Facebook with all the negative publicity. There still is a need to get more horses out of her clutches and this may make her reluctant now let more go. I am worried that given her spiteful nature she would rather kill them then let more be transferred. Sad for the horses only hoping she can put her pride aside and do what is right for them, after all this is their MISSION STATEMENT EVERY TIME THEY GO TO AUCTION, taking those that need them most. Well, the horses that are lingering at their “rescue” need someone with the time and resources to help them. I just hope that people who do take them use good judgement and don’t plaster their “good deeds” all over the internet. The horses will know the difference that is the only thing that is important.
The article published today about HiCal – anyone read it? I think a lot of important points were overlooked. I’m sure he was just trying to remain neutral and show both sides of things, but I’m not sure if it really did anything to enlighten anyone on the fence. It was written kindof like he said she said.. but it’s certainly interesting that a news outlet decided to pick up the story.
Hahaha, I think I must have posted at almost the exact same time as you Foxy. I agree, I’m not sure it will sway anyone one way or the other, but on the other hand, that is technically good reporting, and especially as he likely isn’t a horse guy, it’s probably better that he remain neutral and not try to make any judgment calls.
Oh I totally agree. As a reporter, he did his job well just getting general information out. I wish more could’ve been said but I’m sure his hands are tied with what he can and cannot publish.
Looks like it has put Manson in defense mode so I’m hopeful for some prime rant action this evening. Making some popcorn so I’m ready!
Oh damn! Survivor is on tonight!
You guys crack me up! 😀
IT was a start. I really wish he’d have asked some real advocates so he had the facts and figures on slaughter, but at least it wasn’t a puff piece like I was worried about. Wish he’d have asked before he took my youtube links and blog link though.
He would have a lot to learn from you.
I was asked to contact him and declined.
Really? I was excited that the blog link was there. Getting the word out is a good thing right? No better comprehensive source for information on the subject than right here imo. And did HE ask you to contact him?
He didn’t. Some Horror Girls did and I didn’t think it was a great idea. I still don’t. What use is giving Michelle a platform to spread her bullshit?
Wow, I just stumbled across this. I have to hand it to the reporter, he really did present a pretty unbiased account and seems to have done his homework interviewing various people. He didn’t include several comments of hers that I think are quite a bit more damning, but I can’t say HC comes off looking very good though, and M is mistaken if she thinks she and the reporter parted as best buds. Well… maybe they did, but obviously he’s going to do his job and dig around no matter what. Kudos to him.
It links to Shedrow!!!!
I wrote to the reporter thanking him for drawing attention to these issues, and I did give him one comment/correction where he states:”Thousands of Facebook comments flood HiCaliber’s page on auction days. Almost all are positive” I explained that many of the thousands of “followers” on their FB are FORMER supporters, and that any negative comments or questions are quickly scrubbed by their many admins and those folks are then blocked from making comments in the future.
Michelle stating “95% of the time the veterinarian is “involved”.” Yeah…ok…that’s a lie. And involved doesn’t say a vet recommended a bullet.
It was also posted on KPBS. Poor Margaret got beat to the punch by a real journalist! I thought he did a great job remaining neutral and asked a coworker (non-horse person) to read the article.
Her take?
“Who the hell is this crazy woman?!” LOL
I hope he stays on the case, this only scratched the surface!
LOL
He looks like a youngster, do not jaded yet perhaps. Maybe he’s hungry enough that he will stay on it til he gets the real story.
*so not do
He might have an Aneurysm with all the comments on Facebook… Some are very good points others make me wonder how they function on a daily basis. Then I had to question why I even indulged my curiousity.
Bunny, you have problems figuring out what horse gets what flake where. I really don’t think you need to bother the nice man while he’s trying to work.
I read about the hand job comment and had to see that for myself so ended up reading comments on the news page last night. Who is the nut job that replies to every single one asking where they are located and saying something about internet gossip? Oh my Gawd! Scary. I kinda feel like I might have killed some brain cells myself after wading through all that. I do feel bad for the reporter now. The whole thing reads like a scene from “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”. I wouldn’t blame him for washing his hands of the whole thing.
She’s a prime example of the HiCaliber internet warrior. She’s out of state herself yet clicking on people pages to find out where their from. She takes the cake. Your right in your analogy although it’s missing the charisma Jack Nickolson brings to the screen.
I’m smacking myself for reading the comments more than once. There were several good comments but there were more that made me feel like I was watching a bunch of middle school kids posturing and bullying in the hallway.
Yeah I got the same feeling. The good comments really got lost in all the dramatic craziness though. I wonder how many emails the reporter got and if he actually read them all.
I guess if he is worth his salt as an investigative reporter he would. There’s lots of interesting stuff that’s real and verifiable.
He’s not a horse person and without that it’s pretty hard to know what to ask and what to look for when they are out there. It’s why I’m not overly jazzed about the situation. Just gives Manson a platform to spew her BS. They wheels that are turning were set in motion a long time ago so this is nothing more than an exercise in sensationalism for ratings.
I don’t blame you for not being jazzed. Some of the legal aspects D explains makes me often wonder how our system functions. If it’s never been seen before then maybe it’s time for California to start taking implementing some news laws or enforcing more of our old.
That is probably what HiCaliber is hoping for, that he will was h his hands of it. For someone who isn’t worried, Michelle sure spends a lot of time discussing how she isn’t worried and doesn’t give a shit.
Haven’t watched the newest video with Romney
I just watched it. She really toned it down quite a bit from the usual sleaze-fest, but still spewing same old bs. She looked like she hadn’t been sleeping well. Romney looked pretty haggard herself. I wonder how the visit with the reporter went.
I did, don’t bother just the same scripted shit over and over and it’s everybody else’s fault.
Wondering Romney keeps say “we” when she bailed on the rescue. Guess somebody forgot to tell her.
I’m delighted to include her.
Romney is in to do damage control. Angrid is screen shotting all the comments so she can target the people on her blog she doesn’t write and then pretend she’s suing everybody.
Hey, I was told that I got added to the lawsuit list as well for helping to write the blog.
I sure wish they had done it sooner so that I could have avoided spending all of these months working with the authorities. It would have made things MUCH easier.
Yet, nobody has figured out who I am or added me yet 😦
That is because you are us, silly. There is no you. ROFL!
Yup! 😁
I have a daily identity crisis thanks to the village idiots.
No need to worry, we here know who you are and what you stand for. That you have a heart as big as Texas. 😁
Meant to say saying we.
The sheeple have the idea that one needs to be close to HiC in order to say anything, without stopping to think that M puts this all out on videos across the nation in order to solicit donations, which means that people across the nation are also entitled to ask questions based on what they see. It’s not a one way street, where M has free access to the world to solicit monies but in return no one can ask questions–address what they see. It doesn’t work like that. Funny thing is, people across the US are raising questions based on what M herself puts out there.
^^^ THIS!!^^^
Plus how many of these sheeple have ever actually themselves been there?
For such a `smart businesswoman’ Manson sure is dumb. They keep banning anybody that asks a question they don’t like or insults them, so they invariably end up venting their spleens on one of the hate pages. If she would just respond to them professionally and answer their questions she would, at minimum, be able to control the dialogue or build a bridge. She digs her own holes when she trips over her own ego.
Notice that when Talbot said they occasionally overruled him and gave a horse a chance, he didn’t mention that they overrule him when he says a horse could have quality of life and they simply shoot them, instead. I was sort of wondering if M had a pair of vise grips around his nuts somewhere and was threatening to geld him herself.
I wondered that too. Was hoping he would expand on that statement saying they overruled him and did euthanasia without his say so. Sure wish he would have. Shed is right he seemed very nervous.
You also have to consider that HiC is a big paycheck for him every month. Money shouldn’t come before value, but he was trying to tread a fine line there. I don’t think they were expecting that visit that day so he wasn’t prepared to be answering anything.
It a pretty sad state of affairs that the money that he makes from them is more important then the horse’s he is treating.
I recently found out how my vet acquired his personal and only horse. I guess a client called him out to work on the horse but because whatever the horse needed wasn’t cheap the client wanted him to euthanize the horse so rather than do that he asked if he could have the horse. Not sure what was wrong with it but my farrier told me this Monday.
My vet wants to buy my gelding from me so I have been asking lots of questions about him to people that know him a little better than I do. If he really wants him I will have him sign a contract to insure if he decides at some point he doesn’t want him the horse has to come back to me. After the education I have received here, I trust know one period!
The fact that Talbot is pro-slaughter would automatically mean I would never use him as a vet because we obviously have vastly different views on animal welfare so how could I trust him to make a serious call on an animal? He sounds he’s of the `kill them if they can’t make money’ school of thought.
^^^ LOL!
I have yet to figure out how to unlike their page since I have been blocked. Knowing how many others there are in the same situation would be VERY telling.
In the search engine type HiCaliber, don’t click on their page. Pull up pages and it will have the like icon on the right, if it’s blue then click it. You just unliked their page.
It’s not coming up that way on an iPhone, I tried that.
Weird, I can see it on mine. I’m sorry that I wasn’t helpful 😪
Maybe mine is more derpy since it’s older?
One would think it works the same even if it is older. I did hear a conspiracy theory that they don’t update the older ones so the consumer has to purchase a newer one. But that’s a completely different topic 😂
On an I-phone, in search type in HiCaliber Horse Rescue and hit search. It will show HiCaliber. If it doesn’t show the blue thumbs up try clicking on pages under the search box and that should bring up HiCaliber Horse Rescue with a blue thumbs up next to it. Click on the thumb and it should unlike.
Same goes for me. If you figure it out let me know.
I’m an avid KPBS listener and I was actually a bit disappointed. I think there was a tad too much of Michelle’s version of events. She uses her vulgarity to deflect from the real issues. As much as she claims it, no one really cares about her obsession with dicks and nasty language (except when she is straight up sexually harrassing make vets and volunteers, or doing it in front of children). We care about the fool with zero horse sense single handedly making decisions about which horses should live and die. I did reach out to the reporter with some clarifications and I politely asked him to continue to follow the story as it unfolds and update as needed.
No worries. Media is just entertainment and none of this is going to get things done. We’ll just keep our heads down and keep on keepin on with actively trying to get a result.
Amen to that.
Oh, and that should have said “male vets and volunteers” not “make.”
“Deflect” being the operative word.
What I’d like to know is that M has previously mentioned the now infamous $85k a month budget/income (the definition seemed fluid). In the article, she states it costs $65k a month to run the place. Sooo…. where’s the other $20k?? I mean, we all know she’s lying, probably about both numbers, but for god’s sake. Try to keep SOME of your lies straight. Maybe get like a cheat sheet or write notes on the inside of your wrist. That way when you’re holding the phone out for a live video you can see your wrist and remember which lies you’ve already told.
65k to run the rescue, extra 20k for the rest of them to live for free I’m guess?
Those might still be hard for her to keep straight given the question of sobriety on many of the videos
I’m staying away from the facebook mess. I know that if I need news and updates, I come here and I get it honest. And also I agree; we are like a little island here. I can’t believe how trashy she is. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if she had her little pink pussy hat hanging on a nail in the barn for all to see as she proudly declares that she is a card carrying nasty woman. Would not surprise me in the least.
Well, the pink hat & nasty woman thing doesn’t have anything to do at all with being trashy and disgusting.
Yeah, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on that one…
Caught up on all the comments…so now I’m following!
So Dr. T stated that they haul carcasses off to the Sweetwater Landfill, right? Maybe I’m missing something here but I don’t see a Sweetwater Landfill anywhere near them. Could it be the Sycamore Landfill? I’m just wanting to fact check the transcript and that’s one thing that I couldn’t find in a basic google maps search.
He may have been mistaken. From my understanding the old Sweetwater landfill is closed.
When that huge dead whale kept washing ashore a few years ago in Mission Bay it was hauled to Miramar landfill.
Thanks for the info 🙂 He seemed to be quite flustered so I can’t blame him for any confusion or wrong info.
The stench must be horrific for miles around
I’m not well acquainted with her local carcass dumping grounds sadly.
I hate to be “that guy” but didn’t Romney’s son pass in mid-April…. so shouldn’t they have had taxes prepped and almost completed before then? And she put in her resignation over 6 months ago, so shouldn’t they have resolved that backup of work by now?
Yeeup.
Again, very sorry for the loss of a child, but almost a year later that needs to stop being the excuse for everything. As soon as things get too hot to answer, they toss out the dead kid card to try and back people up. It’s not working anymore.
Well, she wants to sue to dr and/or hospital for medical malpractice so….
Ok, I’m lost. Who is suing whom?
R is wanting to sue the Dr at the hospital where her son died.
Oh really. Is she going to sue herself as well?
I had heard that they were vacationing and he started to have something going on but didn’t want to stop the fun to take him to a Dr.
Just something I heard. Didn’t watch he live feed of him in the hospital or anything. I didn’t want to watch it unfold nor could I understand the need to put something so private out to the public.
I saw it. She’s a disgusting and sorry excuse for a parent.
Of course she does…
She wants to sue the doctor? Is that the same one they named a horse after?
I’m guessing. But Romney Faye is a grifter so rather than get a real job much easier to go for that easy money and try to sue somebody.
Yup, your spot on. Unfortunately I know a few other people like that. It is like a job to them. That’s how they get their income. Lazy ass sick people.
Agreed. You never get over some losses, but you can’t keep using it as an excuse for everything. And if Romney can’t do it, well, then it’s long past time to find someone who can.
Don’t understand why they can’t get their taxes completed as their last two were done by tax professionals (Mann Urrutia Nelson CPAs & Assoc LLP). Oh wait, the CPA needs actual physical records in order to prepare the tax return.
CPA probably also wants to get paid.
True! 😉
Ah, facts have a nasty way of taking all the fun out of lying.
Non-profit taxes are due May 15 if your fiscal year ends Dec 30.
Manson lied about the extensions in a way. Yes, they filed for them, but I believe their last possible extension ran out in November. She’s well overdue.
May 15th is for 2017 😂😂
Yep, her extension would have been up in November. They are now late if they haven’t filed. But to explain why a death in mid-April could have caused the need for a 6 month extension, knowing that the tax deadline for non-profits is May 15 explains that. Nothing explains not being able to get them done by Nov 15. Even if it meant throwing everything in a box and paying an accountant to figure it all out.
I know how hard it is to write the checks for the non-fun stuff like accountants and licenses and permits. Still have to do it.
I believe we are watching the train derailing. That article was not positive press for the rescue and if you go to inewsource Facebook page there is 197 comments already and most of them are not painting a bright light. HiKillaber as usual is trying to deflect on their Facebook page which is kind of funny in it’s own right. They are attempting to throw folks under, over and in front of the bus but I have a feeling that is their death rattle. I did email the reporter with information and facts. I was professional about it and even used my own knowledge about certain issues I brought up to him regarding certain things Hikill has done. This is getting good.
I agree with you. It was a bit disheartening seeing them start to throw people under the bus, but its just to deflect and distract. At least I keep telling myself that. Admittedly Michelle truly is good at looking like there’s nothing wrong and that she’s the queen of rescue… it bugs the crap out of me. But what you said is so accurate – this is their death rattle. They’re finally seeing whats on the horizon.
I too emailed the reporter, only considering the influx I merely told him that I have first hand experience, proof, and credibility, not just as a horse owner but as someone who rescued a horse and have trained professionally. If he wants to ask me questions or hear my story he’s more than welcome to contact me. I’m sure it’s chaos on his end right now and I’m trying to respect it as much as possible.
Dude, I listen to a whole lot of KPBS and local public broadcasting and I have to wonder if they had any clue the type of response this piece would bring.
I’ve been thinking about the comments Michelle made on the 2 hour live regarding serving the Spanish speaking community that is under served and can’t go to a vet or a rescue for help. She’s saying that it’s a cultural and language issue. There may be a cultural difference in how the animals are viewed and related to but everyone knows they’re in the wrong and not following established laws because they’re sneaking around and afraid of getting in trouble. People who aren’t doing anything wrong usually aren’t afraid of putting their animal up for sale or taking it in to the vet to get medical help or put down.
The other lie there was the language barrier. Salvador speaks English. I posted a video of Romney on the phone with him and they seemed to communicate in English just fine. Same wiht Nacho although his is far more broken. They both can speak well enough to do horse trading.
Perfectly said! 😁
Shed first let me thank you for putting this all together. I am disappointed that other “facebook pages” disregard your requests and still continue to to screencap this blog for their own agenda and go rogue. I don’t believe this is helping in the large scheme of things.
Keep doing what you do. We appreciate you!
Another comment that just has me enraged: HICALIBER will not help the veterinary world by doing experiments on these horses. I never really thought it was polite to call the followers of hicaliber idiots but seriously!!!! IDIOTS. Call your veterinarian and ask if they have any use for the information that Michelle gives them. Also it apparently seems like its either shoot the horse or sell them for science. WHAT part of the word RESCUE do you all not understand!!!
Nancy Shugerman Marriott: Knowledge of a disease is the only way we cure it!! What do these idiots think really happens? I could think of a million things to bitch about from these haters, as well. But, learning from a cadaver certainly wouldn’t be one of them. I’d like for every unusual case to be investigated and learned from. Maybe my horse will benefit from that knowledge. Catch a clue Rhi! I’m also so glad to see you meeting these accusations head on. They’ve been allowed to bully all of us for far too long. Receiving hateful messages from people you’ve never met before has been enlightening. I feel like I’ve gotten insight into how a middle schooler must feel to be on the receiving end of a pack of mean girls. Ugh!!
Wow, the stupid is strong. They have no clue how research studies are conducted at all.
Oh! It is for SCIENCE! Great, I look forward to the peer-reviewed journal articles outlining all of Michelle’s findings from her very scientifically sound dissections. Someone get this bitch a massive research grant since she is on the verge of single handedly curing colic, and founder, and penis cancer, and vagina cancer, and melanoma, and excessive sweating.
LMAO!!!!
Hahaha!!!
That was good Hippocrates!!!! Made my morning.
The coyote pack is growing!
The circle is getting smaller!
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Oh for crying out loud, I just checked in and it’s like you all have just about disappeared on the horizon – so much reading, so little time.
I looked at the comments with the inews article – many people happy this is finally getting attention. There are some less than calm voices piping up, hopefully the reporter can just take those with a grain of salt and move on. And lo and behold Angrid says she is contacting the reporter. I wonder if she’s found some grammar to correct?
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO, probably offering him Angrid’s Grammar & Spelling Services at a veeeery steeply discounted rate, all in a desperate attempt to get ahold of his dangling participle. Well that’s a little awkward Angrid!
LOL
LOL!
If someone is in the area, ABC KGTV in San Diego is airing a piece right now about HiKill. The facebook page is getting heated so this may be good.
Getting the word out plus proof is a good thing. However, there are multiple investigations on going right now and none of them are settled, therefore nothing presented can actually be considered anything other than “questionable.” Questionable means that people might be swayed to our side, but they might go to HiC’s side. Personally, I would prefer an article that can be followed up with facts and actual charges so that it says straight up that this place is BAD NEWS and there can be no room for doubt. Anyone who is an actual part of the hell that is coming is best not to be a part of it so that when the time comes for testimony, there is nothing out there.
I just saw it and I need to be clear about it. That reporter contacted me in November. I passed it along and she never responded. She tried to contact that person again this week and again, never returned the call and then goes and does a complete puff piece. What a ridiculous waste of everybody’s time.
I don’t know, seeing the Palomino standing in old and new shit, then manure mountain, then a mountain of debris is not something you really want to see at a rescue. I found it gratifying that they showed that. Manson talked about how she let them have free roam and they certainly took some interesting shots. Considering how Manson has said over and over about how clean the place was, that did not look like a clean place to me.
The fact is she says she’s been following the story for months. That’s all bullshit. She can’t even return a call from somebody she initiated contact with. She let Manson spew her tired rhetoric without even doing the research to see if it was true.
Well on a plus note, won’t she look like an idiot for not searching for the real truth? Hell on that note the other poor guy deserves the exclusive, at least he tried,
I don’t think he’s done with them. I wonder how he feels about Manson posting that she gave them all hand jobs?
M actually said she gave them all hand jobs??? my goodness
It’s in her post on FB. The one with the pic of them doing xrays.
If I was his wife/GF I’d be pretty indignant
I don’t think it will endear her to him. I see somebody posted the screen shot under the link to the article on the isource page. He’ll see it. He was correcting people’s grammar in the comments last night, so we know he’s watching even if that is a dick move.
I take exception to the 10 news reporter saying she researched that it’s legal in California to shoot a horse. She failed to mention that there is certain criteria to where it’s deemed acceptable. That really pissed me off.
I thought most of the other article from inewsource was good. I missed the hand job part… I’m so tired of her self proclaimed edginess. Foul mouthed rants, designed to make money doesn’t make her edgy.
GTFO Manson
Channel 10 was a complete puff piece.
Yeah, I actually wanted to make a comment on that but couldn’t find them.
I honestly didn’t like the “news article” but I will acknowledge them for proving your pictures Shed. Thank you 10 News for proving Shed right. 🤗👏👏👏
and just for the record, Manson says that everybody hates her because she has ink and piercings and purple hair? Bitch please, I have ink and more piercings than she does. I don’t have purple hair because mine is fucking dark and I don’t do ghetto extensions like her, so she can find drop that tired old story too.
Once I used Lush henna dye on my hair thinking it had been long enough since I had hi-lighted my hair for it to be considered processed. When I rinsed and dried I had hair like grape ape! Lol!
LOL! I just laugh that she thinks she’s just so edgy. Ever other person has ink and colored streaks in their hair anymore. Who cares?
Right? I had color streaks in my hair in the 80’s. I’ve had tats since she was in high school. Do I get cool points for having a more progressive mindset? Lol!
Granted the grape colored hair was a shock but I rolled with it. 😜
It depends on how often you can drop the `f’ bomb and make disgusting innuendos.
When I tried Henna on my hair it turned bright orange. Same with Sun In.
I happen to like the “F” word. I find it pretty versatile. 😉 When I’m stuttering and stammering in a conversation it’s usually when I’m trying this politically correct thing that a lot of people appreciate.
I like it too, but I’m able to edit myself when the situation warrants.
You mean you have discretion as to when it’s appropriate or not??
What a concept!!
For instance, if you have delicate sensibilities, you probably never want to drive in heavy traffic with me. I offend myself sometimes.
Really doesn’t phase me
Lmao me too!
Completely understandable given some of the traffic issues in the larger areas. I’m thankful that our traffic jams here consist of a slowdown to about 45 in about a mile stretch of freeway for 10 minutes every evening at 5ish.
My husband grew up here, when we have ended up trekking through L.A. (mostly I-5, my husband goes absolutely bonkers, he can’t handle it. I learned to drive in that stuff so I can handle it a little better.
First time I had to drive through Dallas I about died. Those overpasses were like spaghetti overtop. I kept thinking I’d get on the wrong exit and end up God knows where. Then, my first time through Chicago was just about as bad. I missed a toll booth just out of sheer confusion.
Okay, I’ve never been to Dallas but the overpasses in Houston legit terrify me. They are so high up! 🙈 I don’t think I’d be able to do the driving down there without a minor panic attack from the height. Luckily I was a passenger when I was on them so I could close my eyes. But I still had major butterflies.
LA traffic makes me bonkers too. If I have to drive to that area for anything I plan my times around peak traffic. I haven’t driven out of state for years but I remember a pass out of St. George, Utah that freaked me out.
Grape is Edgy
😀 it was ridiculous. I think I ended up getting black streaks to tone it down but it took forever to wash out.
I did like the close up of the nails
On the News 10 piece
I couldn’t get the video to load for some reason. A close up of her nails is pretty funny. 😀
None of them are talking about anything that amounts to much. The bar for animal welfare is extremely low. As much as the lack of horse husbandry and compassion offends me, it’s not going to be what puts an end to things, so everybody can just carry on with their drama fest. I’m going to make some popcorn and enjoy the show.
The thing I loved best about the Channel 10 news piece. The pictures of the feedlot. That idiot VA keeps trying to defend them saying that the pictures here are lies or whatever based off someone trying to get revenge.
Well, I don’t think the news team was feeling particularly vengeful. Boom, take that, you old bat.
Oh, and we don’t even have to visit the place to “see for ourselves”.
Those pictures a nod that statement shut her right up, for now anyhow, lol.
Can’t wait to here what VA has to say in defense of those pictures. I’m sure there will be some sort of spin on them.
She will spew whatever it is Manson says to cover her ass. VA essentially just regurgitates whatever the official HiCaliber excuse is.
Yes, she does parrot everything that HiKill spits out, and in the next breath accuses others on that forum of believing the lies from the “haters”. It’s so pathetic, it would almost be comical.
Practically verbatim
Yep, almost verbatim. Talking out her ass like the mindless little sponge she is. What a shithead.
Is VA still being blind? I can’t understand how she can follow and visit MOP and then think HiC and Michelle is awesome too. It doesn’t compute.
She’s so blind, she needs ecolocation to navigate her way out of Manson’s ass.
My God, mountains of shit! Just like the pictures Shed shows us.
Wow, and I thought I was just a master with photoshop and created all those pictures on my computer.
LOL
Oh my, a biased ‘hit piece’.
She wouldn’t know what a hit piece was if Richard Kuklinski made a move on her.
If she would like to know what a real hit piece is she should check out Laura Bell’s blog because they did a hit piece on her and called her a shill. As little as I like the old bat, I don’t agree with that, but she might still be interested.
Oh, she’s seen that blog. And whined like the old bat she is about why she’s “defending” Manson afterwards.
LOL!
She’s just a stupid sheep who thinks everyone on that forum is even more clueless than her and falls for the shit HC spews. Her diatribe yesterday about temporary enclosures and not being able to clean them was utter tripe. Her complaints about not getting any respect on the Zenyatta forum would be nil if she just kept her mouth shut and stuck to cats.
Shed! Are you familiar with the RICO act? Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act. It is a near perfect definition of the dealings at HiCaliber, and something I hadn’t known about until last night. My fiance started to become highly interested in all that’s going on here now and RICO was the first thing he had me look up.
No, haven’t heard from it, but I’ll read up. Thanks!
I am going to post this link again. Start reading at Ch 5 of the AG Guidlines, none of which HC is following. http://ag.ca.gov/charities/publications/guide_for_charities.pdf
Complaint form. https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/charities/charitable/ct9.pdf
I think more attention and complaints should be focused to the AG and IRS.
Question: did anyone see the auction live where the guy took off his shirt after auction? Not sure if it was this week or last. Was that Jonathan? Or a random man-ho they picked up on a street corner on the way to auction? Or the guy Manson is doing in Texas (if it’s a guy or non-guy Idk)
I didn’t see it but I doubt it was Jonathan. He’s moved out from what I hear.
Good for him. Knowing absolutely nothing about him, that fact alone says something positive about his having some standard of ethics that appears to be missing in Manson and her crew of cling-ons. (Btw she really loves throwing around that “moral compass” term doesn’t she?!?! Ruined it for me forever.)
Yes, that’s a favorite term of hers. Her rants are starting to sound like a memorized script lately. Same points punctuated by the same profanities. I’m pretty sure she has no clue what a moral compass even is, but figures it sounds good.
If it sounds good, it must work. Her favorite words seem to be “ambient,” “exigent,” and “moral compass.” I personally think she is just struggling to use words that have more than 1-2 syllables in an effort to make herself sound more intelligent.
My personal favorite was when she referred to herself as a `simpleton’ awhile back. It didn’t mean what she though. LOL
Yet truer words were never spoken, nonetheless. LOL!
It was some “model friend” that they brought in to try to solicit donations. In reality though, the professional pics that they shared of him before he took his shirt off led to major disappointment. Those mega abs and his sharply trimmed beard were nothing more than light play and photo enhancement, because his scruffy beard and soft abs on auction day were nothing like the photos. But it had all the elder ladies swooning over his youthful appearance.
Gross
Haha. I thought it was just bizarre. But pretty par for the course I guess.
They can’t do a video without some sexual reference. I guess it is “edgy” to some but certainly not professional. Have no idea what that has to do with the welfare of horses but, hey, if it brings in the money!! 🤑🤑🤑
I thought he was a nephew of one of the auction volunteers… I only listened while I was doing other things so I could be wrong. I don’t really read their posts anymore – just scroll and glance. I didn’t see a hot guy on the page and his voice certainly wouldn’t have made me imagine he was incredibly attractive. Also, he probably looked young because he is young…19? Again, I was listening distractedly. Shed, you’re right: Gross. *So* gross to think of these grown women lusting after a 19 year old.
Apparently you missed the summer pool party where Manson was sexually harassing the underage band members she hired to play along with allowing under aged kids to drink.
Ecchhh. Just knowing Manson wanted people to look was creepy.
VI posted to look into resources to help Manson w/ her “compassion fatigue”. Barf. HC replies they’ve had “compassion fatigue” workshop for volunteers in past (but certainly not for Manson).
The world is gonna need a giant workshop for Manson Fatigue.
Wouldn’t you have to feel compassion in the first place in order to get compassion fatigue? I hope people are realizing that Manson is getting off on all this attention.
Totally agree that she is getting off on it. No doubt about it.
I was coming over here to say just that. This attention to a narcissist is like candy to a kid.
I wish some of the anti hical people would tone down the crazy. If you go from piece to piece on social media there are a few of them that are just as rabid and vapid as the villagers. If you try to bring that to their attention they instantly turn on you, just like the villagers. Don’t they realize that they can and are doing more damage than good with that crap?
It’s why I don’t do FB and didn’t want any involvement with this stuff. It always ends up that way. This is not about the horses for many of them. It’s entertainment and about winning. They are just as bad as the village idiots when they behave like that.
I completely agree. I’ve been pretty disgusted with the behavior I’ve seen over there lately. Some of them are more concerned about one upping people and winning an argument than they are about what’s going on with these horses. 😦
The Horror page is really trying to put the focus where it should be
We need to leave the Horror Story page stuff over there where it belongs. Thanks.
Sorry, I was just trying to say that not all are in it only for the drama and that some really are trying
The Horror page is the ones that started this shitshow. Too little, too late.
I don’t know anything about the horror page members, I was talking about the people commenting on the news articles in social media. They are a pack of wolves man.
It’s certainly chaotic. It seems the original news article posts are flooded mostly with negativity about HC. Honestly, I don’t really care about that. What bothers me more is people sharing the links and screenshots to local SoCal horse groups on facebook, that REALLY stirs the pot and gets people from both sides fuming. I can understand the urge to share it but there’s hardly any substance in those articles and videos. It’s not doing anyone any good..
Won’t change a thing.
I am surprised the things I read on different pages. But the thread for the article yesterday was uhm amussing??? Complete shit show??? Good times??? WTAF!
I have an unimportant question…. I get all the nicknames except Wrinkles. Can anyone explain?
I am heartened to hear M advocating for the Hispanic community (no profiling intended) because of the language barrier, they have few places to take their animals for help or treatment, so they call HC. I didn’t know they spoke Spanish or do they have the “Press 2 for Spanish/English” option? I think most non-English speaking people understand American 🤑🤑.
Maybe Skeletor busts out the ASL she’s supposed to be studying.
There are MANY vets in So Cal that speak Spanish, there are several people that speak both languages in the offices. There are many Spanish speaking people that work for AC.
HC is NOT the only option for people with a “language” barrier, unless they are abusive. Then, where else can they reach out?
If anyone has the clip where Manson admits to having to quarantine the ranch due to strangles please send it to XXXXXXX. He needs it for another interview.
No links or info will be sent from here. Thanks.
I know Shed has requested no links or anything to be sent from here, but on a personal note I don’t ever remember her mentioning that the ranch had to be quarantined for strangles. She DID admit to strangles–but the ranch in actual quarantine would mean that no horses can be moved out, such as the mare who suffered so badly last week, veterinarians present, temperatures logged, etc,
She only admitted exposure and I believe she said that the horses at the ranch had an `upper respiratory thing’ to downplay it.
Only asking for a measly $2,000 today for a pipe corral. Nothing left over from Tuesday? You sure about that? 🤑🤑
Well, it is the 1st of the month and rent is due.
Asking for money for something she already has, for installment by volunteers. She also purchased pipe coral panelling 2 years ago and never picked it up. Donor money wasted.
Anyone else notice how many HC horses seem to be herd bound?
I wonder why that might be…
Is she really providing eyeballs to Davis or did she throw that out there to make herself seems important?
Probably the latter. Might be worth a call to Davis though.
If they are accepting eyes or other parts from this place…they must truly not be aware of how they are acquired. And how bad it reflects on Davis to be associated with Michelle and her ilk.
And honestly…Not to be morbid…but the internal skull pressure concussion from the gunshot would likely damage the optic nerve etc. I doubt the eyes would be in good shape internally. But…I could be wrong. I worked for actual vets who used chemical euthanasia.
I’ve asked Davis twice now. Their first response was very vague. The second time I asked for deeper clarification they didn’t even bother responding.
Interesting.
I saw UC Davis has a Body Will Program for pets under 50 pounds and deceased less than 24 hours.
Nothing about accepting random equine body parts.
Oh she has a new video out.. About the press, A. Moore, She shows off the ranch with only about a 1/3 of the horses shown. I missed part of it and I’m about tired of listening to her rants to be honest. But one thing she said I caught was her medical and farrier went from what did she say 45,000 a month for Dr. T and did she say 16,000 or $6,000 a month for the farrier to now in this video combined the 2 come to $20,000. She had Romney on to back her up too. The one thing now is with the press looking into it, the different agencies, I would think the IRS wouldn’t be far behind.
I heard it. What a mess.
Did you catch Rom’s slip up shortly after she joined the live video? Makes me wonder all the details they aren’t talking about, because Rom can’t seem to filter herself very well.
Probably all those drugs she admits she’s on for depression and stuff. But it’s hard to keep lies straight too.
Which one? There was a lot of bumbling around including Manson admitting she would like slaughter back in the US.
Rom said that they had animal cruelty charges against them. M had to correct her that they were just allegations. Either Rom doesn’t understand the significance of the difference between those two words, or she has no filter. I certainly wouldn’t slip up and accidentally say there were charges. It was at 23:40ish.
Oh right, I did hear that part. Hard to say with them.
Did someone allege animal cruelty charges against them? I haven’t heard that.
It seems they claim the hate is from animal activists saying that there’s animal abuse and neglect, calling AC and whatnot. Funny how they never brush off the claims of shady financials.
Oh, so she is a replacement for Sue Wallis! This explains a great deal.
Careful there, she’ll probably start calling herself Sue Wallis 2.0 and not understand what she’s really saying
Ole Suey had nothing on Manson as far as being ghetto and a pathological liar. Suey told some fibs, but I think that was more out of her own ignorance than on purpose.
I watched that part and I’m thinking that R just used the wrong word, given her context I think she was shooting for allegations
KPBS is getting ready to discuss HiCaliber on their weekly roundtable. I’m guessing because they have recieved so much feedback on the initial report.
Just watched it… Didn’t see much of a roundtable discussion.
I also work for a vet. And a lot of what she says is not true. Nothing new there. NO I don’t believe for one second UC Davis works with them. These places take stuff from Horses that have uncured diseases with medical records, but not just from anyone. But there’s also somethings I’ve seen about all this that would get any of us fired without even a blink of a eyeball if we got in the middle of something that we were not an actual part of, seen in person, had written incident reports etc. Lot’s of proof. I think they need to cut the horses down (but Calf. is crazy saying it’s okay to allow 10 horses per 1 acre. ) I think they should make her use a vet to put a horse down. And make her do her taxes, so this can all be settled. There is always going to be people who don’t agree with everything anybody does. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not standing up for her, I just wish it all would end sooner then later, because I can’t stand liars, and I am tired of listening to her lies and reading lies whether its from her page, the horror page, here, or just on fb, it sure gets the crazies jumping on the bandwagon to be part of something, and they don’t care if they are being truthful or just flat out lying, and or passing on another’s lie.
I have no doubts they are guilty as heck of scamming, lying and cheating people out of their money and aren’t on the up and up about it and what or how they spend the money received. But I’ve seen comments from some people a blind person could tell you that’s a lie and be right. Stuff like this brings out the worst of the worst mixed with the good that are trying to get it taken care of for the good of the horses. I just wish it would come sooner then later.
The taxes are really important! As time progresses I’m sure they’re losing track of more stuff. There’s no way they’re utilizing that extension to get it done.
The treatment of the horses is important but it’s gonna be the taxes that will get them shut down if they can’t provide receipts and records for every dollar donated and spent. So yes the Taxes are very important.
Exactly. AC has their hands tied. It’s the money and transparency issues that’ll bring about change. Not that transparency is a legal matter, but it boils down to the accusations of scamming people. Saying they don’t have enough funds when there’s more than enough, and others of the sort.
That’s pretty much my thoughts. The welfare issues may be what brought most of us into it, but it won’t be what takes them out. I’ve always said it would be technical things. All this media blitz isn’t doing anything but giving her a place to spew her bullshit. It won’t bring her down.
Everything was due back in May 2017. They are now delinquent on the registry with the AG’s office. Website reads “Delinquent.”.
Jan, I have been checking for this daily for this to happen. This is GREAT news. It means the ball is gaining momentum.
The letter was just issued today.
March 2, 2018
HICALIBER HORSE RESCUE, INC.
PO BOX 1588
VALLEY CENTER CA 92082
State Charity Registration Number: CT0202020
RE: DELINQUENCY NOTICE AND WARNING OF ASSESSMENT OF PENALTIES AND LATE FEES, AND SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF REGISTERED STATUS
The organization HICALIBER HORSE RESCUE, INC. is delinquent with The Registry of Charitable Trusts for failing to submit required annual report(s). An organization that is delinquent, suspended or revoked is not in good standing and is prohibited from engaging in conduct for which registration is
required, including soliciting or disbursing charitable funds. (Cal. Code Regs., tit. 11, § 999.9.4.) The following reports must be filed to cure the delinquency:
1. Annual Registration Renewal Fee (Form RRF-1) Report(s), together with required renewal fee, for fiscal year(s) ending: 12/31/2016. (Note: Please use the sliding fee scale on the Form RRF-1 to determine the total amount of renewal fee(s) due.)
2. Complete copies (including all schedules and attachments) of IRS Form 990, 990-PF, or 990-EZ report(s) for fiscal year(s) ending: 12/31/2016. (Note: The 990 is only required if Gross Annual Revenue is $50,000 or above.)
Failure to timely file required reports violates Government Code section 12586 and may result in the suspension or revocation of your registration.
Unless the above-described report(s) are filed with the Registry of Charitable Trusts within sixty (60) days of the date of this letter, the following will occur:
1. The California Franchise Tax Board will be notified to disallow the tax exemption of the above-named entity. The Franchise Tax Board may revoke the organization’s tax exempt status at which point the organization will be treated as a taxable corporation (See Revenue and Taxation Code section 23703) and may be subject to the minimum tax penalty.
2. Late fees will be imposed by the Registry of Charitable Trusts for each month or partial month for which the report(s) are delinquent. Directors, trustees, officers and return preparers responsible for failure to timely file these reports are also personally liable for payment of all late fees.
PLEASE NOTE: Charitable assets cannot be used to pay these avoidable costs.
Accordingly, directors, trustees, officers and return preparers responsible for failure to timely file the above-described report(s) are personally liable for payment of all penalties, interest and other costs incurred to restore exempt status.
A delinquent organization may not engage in any activity for which registration is
required, including solicitation or disbursing of charitable assets.
If you believe the above described report(s) were timely filed, they were not received by the Registry and another copy must be filed within sixty (60) days of the date of this letter. In addition, if the address of the above-named entity differs from that shown above, the current address must be provided to the Registry prior to or at the time the past-due reports are filed.
In order to avoid the above-described actions, please send all delinquent reports to the address set forth above, within sixty (60) days of the date of this letter. If you have any questions, you may email us: Delinquency@doj.ca.gov. Alternatively, you may call (916) 210-6400 Extension 6 to leave a voicemail and a staff member will respond within three working days. Forms, instructions, guides, and answers to frequently asked questions are available on our website: oag.ca.gov/charities
Sincerely,
Registry of Charitable Trusts
For XAVIER BECERRA
Attorney General
That is exactly what I have been waiting on now for the last week and a half. I’ve been checking nightly but hadn’t gotten around to it yet today.
Does this letter mean they can no longer solicit funds (ask for donations) until they are no longer delinquent?
“A delinquent organization may not engage in any activity for which registration is required, including solicitation or disbursing of charitable assets.”
That would be my interpretation. I’m sure a tax accountant or tax attorney could explain this in detail.
But Therapony has been in this status for years along with the CA SOS status as FTB SUSPENDED and they are still in business. Hell, they received the top grant in last year’s Help A Horse Day.
That was a travesty
BOOM!
My favorite from the letter.
PLEASE NOTE: Charitable assets cannot be used to pay these avoidable costs.
Accordingly, directors, trustees, officers and return preparers responsible for failure to timely file the above-described report(s) are personally liable for payment of all penalties, interest and other costs incurred to restore exempt status.
PERSONALLY LIABLE 🙂
Wonder how that’s going to work considering Manson has no other income other than what she grifts through the rescue.
THIS!! It means they are paying attention to the complaints. Anything they collect now is income and taxable.
Ok, guys, before y’all get too excited, let me spell out what will probably happen, and what this means without giving too much away. I hate to burst your bubble, but…give me a second on how to phrase this without giving anything away.
I’d rather not see y’all get happy about misinformation and not know the true ramifications of this action:
When I came in about June,M was in delinquent status, and that is what is allowed us to get our foot in the door. They filed a previous delinquency in 2017 for her 2013 990’s (4 years later, that is how little they actually pay attention) but Shed nor I never announced it because that paperwork HAD been filed with the IRS, simply not the State. Therefore, we knew that the paperwork did exist, it was simply a matter of M submitting it to the State and she waited till the 60th day on which to do it, doubtlessly hoping that Shed would put it on blast in the blog and then try to make her look like a fool, but as usual..we are three steps ahead of her. What that delinquency did, however, was allow us to get out foot in the door and receive case numbers. Yes, that paperwork talks big about fines, etc–but the charge to file the delinquent paperwork for an org her size is approximately 250.00-300.00. It;’s not much, nor is it game changing–until now. I doubt any fines will be imposed, nor do people lose their tax deduction if they send in a donation within this 60 days–it can be backdated as soon as M brings the status up to current (something she is going to find very difficult to do.) If they continue sending money in after that, then they will lose their tax deductible donations.
So about that–while it is funny, don’t get too excited about it and celebrate it. It isn’t much. (Keep in mind that Christy Sheidy had been revoked and operated for three years and the IRS never even bothered to revoke her 501c3 designation even though they were aware.) Nor did she ever receive fines.
What this DOES mean is good news in another respect, however. You’ll note that the time frame on this is MUCH different–pretty fast, as a matter of fact–and what that means is that the AG has been brought in by one of the other agencies. This is the AG’s first solid step into the ring and THAT means that things will be moving more quickly now. This means the AG received the paperwork, took a quick glance at the org to see if it was in good standing, and the first step has been taken–and for THAT we should celebrate. We’ve been waiting on this news for about a week and a half now, checking the site daily because we knew once certain things took place, this would be coming. As I stated last week…it’s a beautiful day. 😀
I could be wrong but that letter has nothing to do with the complaints. Every charitable nonprofit in the state of California has to file an annual report with the RCT. If an org does not file on time, these notices are issued. This isn’t the first time that they received this type of notice. The last one was dated July 19, 2017.
It ties in, but I can’t say anything more than what I have. Not all complaints were dealing with the animals, it spelled out the fraud, too. And as you may have noticed, they really do not pay attention to delinquencies. The 2017 dealt with the 2013 paperwork., so that was 4 years later. AC4$ had their state status revoked over 3 years before, and no one paid attention, including the IRS–although by law a non profit has to be incorporated within their state in order to be a 501c3.
The fact that they moved on this is very, very big–I simply am not sure they will act to enforce it because they have a lot of other matters to which they will be attending.
I hope this will be effective but Therapony has been delinquent with the RCT for years along with having a status of FTB SUSPENDED with the CA SOS. Legally, they cannot do business but they are still in operation and managed to win the grand prize in last year’s national Help A Horse event.
Yes, but has anyone managed to get active investigations going on them in multiple areas? Therein lies the key. It’s that circle thing I described a while ago, and filling in those gaps in order to get these agencies to connect with one another.
Applying pressure to these agencies has to be non stop and relentless before you can get them to pay attention.
How many of the CT-9’s have been filed with the State? Get people together and start that process. Numbers help voices to be heard.
And please explain how the state can take away an organization’s federal tax exempt status. I can see them losing that status in the state which forces them to pay state taxes.
Glad I checked posts. I was just going to put that up. 👍👍
From the AG’s letter (posted in a comment I can’t seem to reply to directly) … “A delinquent organization may not engage in any activity for which registration is required, including solicitation or disbursing of charitable assets.”
Does this mean that they can’t do adoptions or rescue-to-rescue transfers, either?
Also, would they be able to solicit donations still but they just wouldn’t be tax exempt?
It almost reads like their entire operation needs to halt until this is taken care of. And I see that as a somewhat scary prospect because I don’t feel that they have a slush-fund to help them pay for daily costs without going to auction every Tuesday. Maybe I’m wrong, though.
I just want to clarify that I’m not saying this letter is a bad thing! Of course this is FANTASTIC. Just that one part of it worries me if I interpreted it correctly. But again, I could be way off base.
It says Notice and Warning so they may have the 60 days to comply, not sure. Whatever the case, you don’t mess with those agencies. Glad to see some action by this office, finally.
Do you work for a large animal vet? I’m wondering if you do get body parts to `practice’ surgical procedures on. I just can’t see a small animal vet using dead dogs and cats for to practice on or going down to the pound to get a few euthanized dogs and cats to chop up. Maybe I’m wrong though.
I have a friend that works for UCDavis vet clinic. I sent her message to see if she can confirm what Michelle is saying. I’m thinking they have access to plenty of equine eyeballs at their facility and wouldn’t need eyeballs from outside sources.
I do work for a large animal vet. and no we don’t here but of course vet schools do. UC Davis would get the animal parts from Credible sources and i’m not sure M falls under the label Credible. We have been asked about donating horses for science when some horses pass, but most of the time I think it’s more the owner doesn’t want to pay the rendering fees and such, so they ask about donating, but I think really the only ones who get the okay are referred to Vet schools.
Keep in mind that even in nursing school, we used many animal cadavers at first–porcine, cow eyeballs, etc. They came from an approved, accredited source.
When I was going to High School the Human Biology class would receive cats from the local animal shelter for their dissection class. I will never forget coming in one day for my regular biology class and seeing one of my class mates playing with a dead black cat.
That’s disgusting. We had fetal pigs and not like we each had one. The teacher had one, did his thing and we observed. I think we all had frogs though. I arranged to be sick that day.
When I was in college, in my Anatomy & Physiology lab, we each had our own cat that we had to work on the entire semester. It was pretty rough dragging it out of a plastic bag three times a week.
Couldn’t have done it.
LOL, that’s what I thought too, but it was either dissect or fail!
No way!
🤢
I remember doing an earthworm, that wasn’t too bad
We had to do frogs. Needed two years of Lab Science for College. Second year was Chemistry. I would rather do frogs.
R, That is what I have been fighting for all along, which of course ties into this legal conundrum that the authorities find them in by taking on prosecution of this case–your part of wanting a vet to euth them, I mean. Here is where the authorities are struggling with the complex legalities of this case, which are all new territory.
Gunshot euth IS legal in the state of California BY THE OWNER. Normally, they would translate that and think as does Michelle, which is to say that she is the owner of record, so it is ok to shoot them. It is not recommended to replace humane euthanasia when 2-3 horses and sometimes more get shot per week, and when shots go bad, it cannot in any way be considered humane. However, our argument is that she is NOT the horses owner because she fundraises for them on the part of the charity, using the claim that all horses will see a vet as part of the “responsible rescue” fee, which is fundraised for above and beyond the purchase price, and that euthanasia by vet would also be covered by the vet expenses. And of course charitable assets must be accounted for, or they will question where exactly the money goes. We knew it was complicated, and now we have thrown it into the authorities laps so they struggle, as well. This has never been seen before.
Well, I am cheering them on because the outcome is predictable and LONG overdue!
And, I can’t find it now but was sure I had read that, unless an ER situation, the BOD of directors had to approve the euthanasia and had to have the recommendation of a Vet.
I agree, great observation
Manson a serial killer – of horses. And she mutilates their corpses after shooting them in the face.
Do you know how much she’s gettting paid for the harvested organs?
And poor Barrett. Between being terrified by random gunshots and chased by a coyote, he probably has full blown PTSD. Actual PTSD, not like faking faker Manson.
Excellent work, as always.
She claims she doesn’t get paid for the body parts.
In the comments on that first news report (iNews) too many people are getting worked up about the chopped off legs, given that there was only one confirmed incident of that I wish they would shift their focus
Maybe we’ll give them something else to get worked up about.
Can’t wait!
Boy Shed, you weren’t kidding!!!
Talk about explosive news
More to come tonight too. That kinda day. Brace yourselves.
Tonight Tonight? Or is it tomorrow where you are and that means tomorrow’s tonight?
Things are unraveling quickly…
😂
God I cannot imagine what Shed goes through every single time she does this. I honestly don’t.
Don’t worry about me. Think of the people that have their boots on the ground there and stick it out for those animals.
Dear Moles, I am so sorry for what you are seeing, and experiencing, and the heartbreak.
I promise you that I know what you are seeing, and feeling. I have done it too. Thank you is not enough for the pain and grief and frustration that I know you feel. My heart and thanks go out to you all and I am sending you strength as I can.
Sorry, I’m not really in a joking mood, so I’m not sure why I’m being silly. I just listened to the Funny Farm video and my heart is breaking
Hoping your not going to tell us Eclipse is dead.
Wondering why they couldn’t have provided a foster mom for Magnum. Not sure if his name is spelled right. Maybe it’s to dangerous for the foal. I know nothing about breeding or foal care. I have mares but would never breed them anyway.
Eclipse is not dead
Didn’t Romney resign? Why is she spending all this time on a live video?
If she’s back wouldn’t her time be better spent doing the taxes???
I think RFB resigned in name only in hopes she would avoid answering for her part in things when this all comes down. I’m sure she’ll play the `I lost my son’ card when it does.
Yes, I remember quitting right about the time Shedrow’s blog started really turning heads. She is a rat, jumping ship. Same as Ingrid. But oh look who is peeping back in. Opportunists, trying to cover their butts.
They are both still elbows deep, but think that removing themselves from `official’ status means they won’t have to answer. Silly girls.
I remember “her” quitting
Don’t they have to file personal taxes too? Or would it fall under the “rescue”? Sorry I have no clue how that works
I think every adult has to file personal taxes, yes.
So found time for that, weird
What’s the old saying about two things we all have to do? Something about dying and paying taxes? 😉😉
So basically, they can still ask for money, but anything from today on isn’t tax deductible by the donors until HC gets their shit updated?
AND that money coming into HC would require THEM to pay taxes on?
I’m just sick about Umbra.
Fuck You Michelle….Fuck You Village… Fuck You Shit Page…you all fully support this slaughter house of horrors.
I read through most of the comments but I gave up at some point. I didn’t see this addressed. The “cowlick surgery” is probably the transcriber mishearing colic. Especially if the person says colic more like caw-lic. So the “cowlick surgery” should have been “colic surgery.”