Archive for the ‘Horses’ Category

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised it has come to this.  While I rarely read the Petulant Pony blog, I must have had some masochistic tendencies today, because I did.  Apparently, we are now using make-believe animals to back up our arguments?  It would seem Mendy Tobiano has had a nerve pinched about having skinny horses because she is on another rant and this one makes even less sense than most of them.   Good ole NT doesn’t use just any movie horses,  she uses ones from over 50 years ago and paintings of other horses that have been dead for over 200 years.  Once again, I feel obligated to pick apart her idiocy and set the record straight.  God help me, this is getting tiresome.  I better not find out which one of you hurt her feelings this time, because I”m having to clean up the mess again 😦

“By all accounts, this may be the most famous Hollywood horse and he has triggered many a namesake (sorry, had to make the pun!!)  Take a look at this still from Trigger.  I am particularly looking at the loins and the thigh.  Now, look carefully at this animal’s barrel (go look at the diagram if you are confused).  I would damn near lay money down that if you were to have taken the saddle off that horse the minute after the pic was snapped, you would find rib”

Ok, so I used a picture without a rider on to show NT how stupid she is.  Trigger was half  THOROUGHBRED  for those that don’t know.  It is commonly thought he was a Tennessee Walker, but it was actually Trigger Jr. that was.  Trigger Sr.  was a stallion but he was NEVER bred.  My point with this is that due to the fact he is not a QH, he isn’t going to have the ass end or haunches of one either.  NT, may have to look up the term `haunches’ to understand what I’m saying because I think that’s what she calls thighs.  As far as his `loins’ go, those are covered up by his tack, so maybe she means his hip?  Who knows?  Clearly her mother never played `where’s your nose? where’s your toes?’ with her because she doesn’t know her body parts.  This is a perfectly healthy looking horse with all the bone coverage you would expect to see in one in good shape.  His coat has `bloom’ and he is nicely filled out and muscled.  She follows up with pictures of Silver, Scout and other movie favorites that have all been dead for over 5o years.  I’m still not really clear what the point of it all is when your horses look like this and you can’t see the difference….

The next thing NT uses in her pointless diatribe is a picture of a great big fat QH halter horse as what people think the `standard’ currently is.  Nobody I know thinks one of those HYPP monstrosities is what a horse should look like unless you are one of the horse eating douchebags on the AQHA executive.  To further drive home her point, she posts the following pictures calling them the finest horses in the US.

Ok, first I want to point out that the picture of Figure is a PAINTING.  It proves nothing because there are no photographs of the founding sire of the Morgan breed. Who knows what he really looked like or what shape he was in?  Maybe NT thinks all those old Currier and Ives paintings are what horses really looked like back then too?  Another picture is of Flicka and I’m not sure NT realizes Flicka was make-believe and probably played by at least four different horses in the movie.  She uses a painting of Ruffian, and I have no idea what that proves considering she DIED when she was barely three years old and never was anything other than race fit. God knows there are enough actual pictures of her floating around that she could have used.    All of these pictures are not the same as the dull coated, pencil neck waifs that NT calls `fit’.  NONE of these horses look like hers.

See the above two horses?  They both show about the same amount of rib but one is fit and one is thin.  NT won’t know the difference because she thinks ribs are ribs.  It seems to escape her that a horse in fitness maintains his muscle mass and won’t demonstrate a razor back.  They have muscle definition!  She also probably has no clue that you don’t just take a fit horse like the one above, and kick him out in a pasture when you are giving him time off.  You have to `let them down’ or they fall apart and look like skeletons in a very short time frame.  In fact, I bet she would crap her pants if she ever actually saw what a racehorse eats in a day. The likely get more grain in a single day than her entire hoard herd gets in a week.  You can’t have a horse as fit as the one above without pouring the coals to them and I don’t care what breed you are talking about.

Let’s try something different.  Since it’s not very likely that NT has ever had her hands on a race fit horse, let’s look at a couple of horses that are out of fitness and in full winter coat.   Of the above two horses, which one do you think is toothless and 31 years old?  I bet some of you thought the yellow horse, right?  It’s actually the top horse.  The top horse’s picture was taken in January of this year and he is a every day of 31 yrs old with the papers to prove it.  The bottom horse is 11 and this picture was allegedly taken in March.  That means there is 20 yrs difference in age between the two.  The black horse has a shiny coat and despite his extremely advanced age  and having NO teeth, still has a neck.  I’d like to see a bit more weight on him, but he’s looking pretty good for his age.  The yellow horse is dull coated and appears to have a stick neck.  No, he’s not emaciated yet, but he certainly looks older than his years.  There is a huge difference between a horse having a hay belly and a properly nourished horse .  You know what is particularly bad?  When the horse used to look like this not so long ago…

Notice that he used to have a neck and was the very picture of good health.  How does a young horse end up looking like that unless he isn’t being fed properly?  Eleven is not an old horse at all and winter is no excuse for horses to drop weight.  If you are going to do a blog entry on fit vs trim at least learn the difference between the two things.  At the very least learn the different parts of a horse and proper terminology.  I think next time one of the PSAs get a wild hair and want to educate their followers, I’ll just hand them a shovel and let them keep on digging themselves deeper into their pit of stupidity. It’s not like any of this is ever going to sink in anyhow…

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As we’ve discussed many times before, PSAs have a LOT of bad and unruly horses.  It’s one of the reasons they are so bent on bringing back horse slaughter; so that they have a way to wring some money out of all the horses they bugger up with their madcap horsemanship skills.  Lucky for all of us, they must be out of beer money this close to the end of the month as the PSAs have been VERY busy the past few days edumacating each other on how to handle these bad horses.  I figured we best take the time to have a little look now or the next installment of Point and Laugh Friday is going to be several pages long.

Today’s lessons from the PSA school of abusive horsemanship is on how to make your horse behave for the farrier.  I think at this point it is important to remind ourselves that more than one of these asstards don’t bother handling their horses until they are at least a year old and they think roping them is perfectly fine.  Even with their older horses, PSAs don’t have a lot of time or patience, so they like to take any shortcut possible so that actually caring for their horses doesn’t eat into their quality internet time of slapping each other on the back and congratulating themselves on what great little horse abusers they all are.  How would the rest of us ever figure out how to handle our animals without their advice?

“My pet peeve for today….when my pride and joy gelding starts prancing around for the farrier. Funny thing was I was on his left side and the farrier was on the right. We both booted that bastard in the ribs at the same time. Double whammy. Instantly back to a well behaved horse. Didn’t bat an eye the whole time after that.”

– This is the same asshole that can’t figure out why his horse wrings it’s tail non-stop and eats his own horses.  Frequently seen online voicing his wanna-be-a-cowboy training techniques while bragging he likes to `cull his women’.  Given the pictures I’ve seen of him, I’m pretty sure it’s the women that run away from him as he seems to have Dickie-do Disease aka his beer belly sticks out further than his dickie does.   At any rate, if a farrier ever laid a hand on one of my horses, he would not be working for me or in my barn again.


“Hahahaha, back years ago I was shoeing for an old boy, he had just aquired a awesome Morgon stud to run with his mares, he had gotton him from a ranch that never sold stallions, after getting drunk with the owner, well I was trying to trim him (the horse) and he was jumping around, at one point the horse jumped, before I could corect him a cowboy boot flew by my head, I thought he broke ribs, the owner said ” he’s a horse, make him behave”, that horse stood very still until I was done. Had a good freind that shoed, ( he died from a horse kick to his spline and he bled to death) one time he was shoeing a horse for a guy, and the horse was kicking and jumping, the owner kept saying “easy boy, easy” at one point the horse cowkicked my friend and he hit him with the rasp, the owner said ” I’d rather have someone hit me then my horse” My friend cold cocked the guy and left :-0″

–  Yet another horse eating PSA who makes up for his lack of endowment by beating on animals and crowing about it.  I work under a lot of horses looking after legs and I would much have one that is well-behaved and correctly handled than one froze up and not moving because it is terrified.  The scared ones are the ones that will get you hurt.


I won’t tolerate bad behavior,especially when it endangers someone else. The guy works damn hard at doing a good job for me and I feel its my responsibility to keep him safe. Altho we both were cracking up about it after….Not here. Behave or your gone. I actually keep a rifle in the barn,just in case. I’ve once seen a horse go insane,guy got hurt bad. If someone had a gun nearby he might not be walking with a hitch in his step today.”

– Classic PSA move by blaming the horse for your own lack of handling and skill.  He must have some pretty messed up animals if he feels a need to keep a gun handy to protect himself.  Anybody else pulling for the horses?


“My filly was in a bitchy mood the other night and decided she was going to try to bowl me over to get her grain. I booted her right in the chest as hard as I could and stood exactly in front of her and told her to back off. She got wide eyed for a moment then pinned her ears snorted at me and slunk off like a dog. Lesson learned lol”

– Probably because the poor thing was starving to death knowing the way the PSAs like to feed.  At any rate, why bother taking the time to teach your horse about personal space or learning pressure points, when you can just kick them?  I hope she broke her toes.


“The farrier we had back in IL could trim my mare by himself. If she was naughty, he smacked her belly with his rasp and voila…naughty no more. Our current farrier will not do this, even after we have told him it works with her. He prefers we drive her backwards. By the time he gets out of the way and we drive her back it’s not quick enough to make an impact on her. She is not terrible but will test you to see what you will let her get away with. I will be rapping her the next time.”

– Am I reading this correctly?  She is pissed at her farrier for NOT beating her horse with his tools?  Perhaps this farrier understands that making weapons out of the tools he intends to use on a horse isn’t in his own best interests and safety.  Sounds like he needs to fire this owner ASAP.


“my farrier has permission to WHOMP any time it’s needed, and so does the dentist. they are not getting hurt in our barn, and both have said they appreciate my common sense approach. I love my horses but they WILL behave. cannot stand the ‘smooshy kissy don’t hurt my horsey’ attitude, because sooner or later, someone does get hurt.”

– Nobody is allowed to `WHOMP’ on my animals and I have never had a farrier, dentist or vet hurt by one of mine either.  I do this silly thing called `handling’ them on a regular basis that pretty much eliminates a lot of the issues these people whine about.


“My farrier had no qualms about smacking naughty horses. We had a few cases like Gage’s, where the poor bastard got smacked by both! LOL but it works…”

– My farrier would actually be super pissed at anybody that beat on a horse he was under.  It’s a bit dangerous to do when somebody has their head between their own knees.


“shoot, i encourage my shoer to smack my horse if he’s being a jerk.”

– It never ends with these people….

Actual picture of one of the PSA’s horses `standing’ for the farrier. Notice the pile of debris it is about to tangle itself in….


There were a few other comments along the line of kicking the horses in the gut and their usual abusive crap.  I will go on record as stating I am NOT a Parelli disciple or any of the other gimmick trainers.  I do, however, know for a fact you get a lot further with kindness than intimidation.  A horse trained with kindness is a horse you can usually trust.  A horse that is only behaving because it is afraid of you or intimidated is the one that is going to blow up and hurt your dumb ass at some point.  I have a horse that was originally owned by an asstard like these.  The same one I featured earlier that I literally bought  within hours of him shipping to slaughter because he was branded as `bad’ and `dangerous’.   Despite his size, he was afraid of his own shadow because of being handled by jerkwads like these people and beating him was only going to get you hurt worse.  However, I actually handle his feet every day and not just the twice a year the PSAs get their farriers in to cut the slipper feet off their long-suffering animals.  When he was acting out of character and not wanting his back feet handled, I brought in a chiropractor and fixed the problem.  Horses dance around and lean on farriers because they are sore or untrained.  A smart person would fix the problem BEFORE the farrier gets there and not beat the dogwater out of them and make that a negative experience for them.  Horses have very good memories.  But what do I know?  I was late showing up for the farrier and had his ginormous halter with me, so the poor guy had to throw a shank over his neck to improvise.  Behold, the dangerous horse that is treated with kindness……all 17.2h of him…..The one a PSA said was too dangerous to live…..

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I realize today is Friday and we always point and laugh, but I came across something that was so  ignorant, I felt I couldn’t do it justice by only mentioning it in our weekly recap.  As a result, I thought it best to give this its own entry so we can fully appreciate the profound ignorance of the PSA movement.  Don’t worry, Point and Laugh Friday is almost complete  and will roll out this afternoon.  For now, let’s take a peek at how the PSAs discuss alternatives to horse slaughter.

What happened was that a new member was admitted into their inner sanctum and this person stated that she wanted to discuss alternatives to slaughter.  That immediately branded this person a `troll’ and the natives started to circle the wagons in hopes of having themselves a little online dogpile fun.  Here are some of the responses that the PSAs gave…..

“In my opinion, horse slaughter is not something a solution is needed for. It is never going to be stopped. Stopping the plants by defunding the inspections didn’t stop slaughter in the private sector, even caused it to be done illegally and caused the loss of some very expensive horses for people that found remains of them in their own pastures. There is always going to be a market or desire for horse meat. Dictating what people can and can’t do with their own property is treading on some serious freedoms and rights”

– Are we clear on this?  According to this horse lover, we don’t need an alternative to slaughter because it minimizes people getting their expensive horses poached for slaughter.  Also, this one gives the common PSA stance of having the `right’ to do what they want  with their `property’ although we already debunked that a few days ago.  If it doesn’t suit your agenda, continue to ignore simple logic….

“HA HA HA HA HA HA HA XXXXX I asked for THAT MONTHS ago and no one spoke up. What makes you think someone is going to give you an answer?”

– That little gem came from NT as we all know he/she tends to make every discussion all about themselves.  He/She then proceeded to cyber flirt with one of the old wannabes on that page to the point of orgasm.  I guess that’s one way to stop people from peaking in on your lunacy…..just creep them out to the point of dry heaves.  Well played, NT…….well played.

“I understand that you want an alternative. But to some of us, there is no alternative necessary. It is an effective way to deal with low end, non useable horses.”

– Of course they think like this considering that the PSAs are the leading breeders and trainers of low-end, non useable horses.  I have a better alternative……if all the PSAs would just get out of the horse business, we could have this mess sorted out within a few years!

“There is none… you cant uth all the horses that are worthless because then we have no water to drink when you put all that crap in the ground… but yet.. the meat from the horses will feed many countrys… and yes i have eaten it as well. so unles you have a very big back yard to take them all in and feed them good.. and keep them happy… slaughter is just something that you might want to get use to.”

– Clearly this little brainiac has never heard of rendering or cremation.  Does anybody actually have a scientific study that proves that burying a euthanized horse is any more dangerous to our ground water supply than planting a bunch of embalmed people full of formaldehyde in the ground?????  Didn’t think so….

“After the horse is dead does it really make a difference what happens to the body? Really? Isn’t using it better than tossing it?
The people who call inhumane have (usually) never butchered, hunted, fished or worked in a packinghouse…”

– If we follow this person’s logic we should probably start eating our dogs, cat and grandparents as well.  No, it doesn’t make a difference what happens to the body after death, but it does make a difference how it actually arrives at being a dead body and THAT is the issue that anti-slaughter advocates have.

“Vet visits aren’t viable for anyone on a budget. It’s unreasonable to expect it, much less attempt to demand or mandate it. It’s not just the price of the kill shot, it’s the farm call price, too. And the disposal, if you aren’t where you can dispose of in on your own property. They are not and will not ever be pets. Ever had a clydesdale sit on your lap? Not pretty.”
– If you don’t have a budget that provides for proper care, including euthanasia, of your horse, you have no business owning a horse.  Also, my dog is too big to sit on my lap, but she is most definitely a `pet’.  For people who don’t want other people to tell them what to think or do, they sure like telling us how we are supposed to feel about our animals. As far as I know `sitting on your lap’ is not part of the definition of `pet’.  In fact the definition of `pet’ is:  A domestic or tamed animal or bird kept for companionship or pleasure and treated with care and affection.

It turned out that the person that originally asked the question was not a `troll’ and she proceeded to flip-flop back and forth between being pro and anti like a fish out of water.  As you can see, there is absolutely NO reasoning with these people.  I’m beginning to think that, for most of them, being pro-slaughter makes them more `western’ in their own minds or something.  Or maybe we are supposed to be impressed about how they don’t get emotionally attached to these animals.  I really can’t put my mind in a place where you love horses and think it’s ok to torture them.  They ignore research and science and I have yet to see a single one of them actually back a single thing up with solid facts.  They have no concern about carcinogens in horse meat, which is a proven fact, yet they think that humanely euthanizing horses will mean that there will be no drinking water left in the world.  I’m not even sure why that is a big concern for most of them as, going by how they behave, alcohol is their beverage of choice.    This has just been a little warm-up because we have an entire week of crap like this to discuss and it’s coming right up…..


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Well, it seems I was somewhat premature in reporting on the trainwreck over the Kansas City Star article.  I had mistakenly assumed that the PSA crowd had used up all their stupid on the matter and would move on.  I was so very, very wrong.  It’s STILL going on and the PSA crowd is making less sense than usual.   I’ll give you some highlights here, but if you want to catch the live show, go here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151100260841648&set=a.346008596647.197164.318696121647&type=3&theater.

The one thing I noticed about PSA’s, other than travelling in packs, is that the more opposition, the more outlandish their statements become.  I’m not sure if they really believe what they are saying or they’re just flinging crap against the wall to see what sticks.  Maybe a bit of both?

“I have a better idea than watching a video. Go to a meat locker, and SEE with your own eyes how a responsible rancher and a responsible butcher dispatch an animal. Watch this with your own eyes instead of the propaganda videos which have been proven time and time again to be bootlegged from other countries, and edited to make them seem even harsher than they are. Get off your couch, put down your laptop, and GO SEE. Then perhaps you can come back and make a *gasp* educated decision.”

– Ok, I’m not sure what going to a `meat locker’ is going to teach anybody about slaughter since all you will basically see is the end product.  There won’t be any sign on the carcass that says `This one took five shots in the face to drop’ or `Woke up on the bleed rail’.  You’ll see….well, you’ll see meat in a meat locker.   Now, she also suggests that all the slaughter-house footage is `edited’ to make it seem worse.  Hmmm, the footage I have seen was not edited in the least.  I’m pretty sure they didn’t bring in PIXAR or any other company to doctor up that footage and make dead horses revive or appear conscious and aware as they were hung upside down.  Another thing she mentions is to watch a butcher dispatch and animal.  Those are called custom jobs and are nowhere near what happens in a commercial slaughter plant.  I wish we could move on from this `expert’ but she wasn’t done yet.  She was so worked up, she was responding to herself…

“And as for the young beautiful horses, it’s not hard to buy them back from a slaughterhouse. All of the KB’s I’ve ever met at auction will not bid on a good horse-unless no one else does. They will not bid against anyone. And if you change your mind, follow them to their trailer and offer what they paid. Guess what-they will all take it. All you are seeing is the horror side of the pretty my little ponies that you think you are saving. Put down your fork, don’t eat or drink for a week. Then tell me starvation is better than slaughter, and come back with a rational solution. Because if you can’t come up with a viable solution, you are aiding in the problem. Congratulations for aiding and abetting in the abuse and neglect of countless animals. Pat yourself on the back, and I hope you are proud of yourself.”

Ummm, once they have their USDA stickers on, it’s virtually impossible to buy horses back from the `slaughter-house’.  In fact, when they were up and running,  the general public was not allowed to just waltz into a slaughter-house and check out all the horses.  Now, if she really means buying them out of a kill pen at auction, sometimes that is possible and those kill buyers do a booming business preying on people who want to save horses.  Not to mention stolen horses and people who patrol Craigslist to swindle somebody’s horse off them and yes, that does happen.  Also, I will tell you starvation is better than slaughter, not that I want to see that happen either.  Horses can be rescued from starvation and given a new life.  Slaughtered horses meet a terrible end of which there is no chance at coming back from.  Many viable solutions have been put on the table, but the PSAs are all so blinded by blood lust, they refuse to listen. Once slaughter is shut down for good, they can all move to Canada or get out of business.  Either way win/win!

I wish I could say that above PSA was a solo act today.  She wasn’t.  Today’s designated wingman got a little long-winded, so I’m going to have to break her post down into sections….

“You can anthropomorphize all you want, animals are not humans! You can say “if I had all the money and bought all the pretty horses” all you want, you don’t have money and that thought process simply proves your utter lack of understanding in regards to herd health, range management, disposal and by-products.

Some of you folks sitting there making inane comments need to grasp that it simply doesn’t matter what you SAY, if you want to buy a horse, go do it! Don’t expect everyone else to carry the affects of your lack of knowledge. And boy oh boy, in these comments lack of knowledge is rampant.”

– Kinda like all you junk breeders want to use up federal tax funding, at the expense of the existing meat industry, to clean up your mess and put all the profit in foreign pockets?  BTW it’s `effects’ not `affects’.

“So who cares, sit on your rear end. BUT, until you have a working knowledge of the industry as a whole, you damn straight aren’t going to be allowed to further damage an entire industry simply because you read Black Beauty once.

For the ill educated, you’ll automatically think “industry” meaning slaughter only. It isn’t and doesn’t mean that. An “industry” means so very, very much more. It includes veterinarians, shoers, leather products such as saddles, equine saddle pad and protective boot manufacturers, horse trailer companies and dealerships, pick-up sales, farmers or ranchers who raise and sell hay, clothing apparel, shows, associations, and when events happen it means the local stores such as gas stations, restaurants, and motels. All those businesses employ people, supply a product, and directly contribute to local and state economies. THAT is an industry. All those things that many of you never think about.”

– Now call me crazy, but I just don’t see dead horses needing vets, shoers, saddles, protective boots, horse trailers or hay.  I am also not aware of many shows for dead horses…

“So, it is vital to make the INDUSTRY healthy and strong again. And stopping slaughter absolutely does not help horses, if fails in every aspect. C’mon – look at the facts! Forget the glitter farting fairy stories so many of you repeat, pull your head out of the clouds and get a real life experience. Look beyond your own personal agenda!”

– I will say it again…Killing off horses isn’t helping the industry considering it is the young, healthy and strong that go to slaughter.  Bringing back slaughter does not mean that every abusive and neglectful hoarder is all of a sudden going to start taking care of their animals either.  It means that backyard breeders have a convenient dumping ground for the dinks they produce and we sure as hell don’t need more BYBs.  BTW, I AM `industry’, so I am more than qualified to tell you that if you need slaughter to put a value on your product, you are a failure and need a new job.

That FB thread goes on and on and the PSA’s are all wordy as hell today.  It’s the same old tired denials and ignorance, over and over again. For some reason, they think that only people who live on ranches own horses.  I would bet if anybody did a study, many urban horse owners, contribute far more to the `industry’ through boarding, training, lessons etc.  Almost everybody that works on the racetrack in an urban dweller at least during race season and they sure as hell qualify as `industry’.   You know what I noticed the most about PSAs?  They are all very, very angry people!  Maybe we could make things better if all of us would just make an effort to seek them out and hug them.  Any volunteers?  Didn’t think so……



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One of the main things I hear from the PSAs is that horses are property.  To them, that means that they have a right to do as they wish with their property.  While I agree that we technically `own’ horses, or at least that’s what their registration papers say, I dispute that they are property.  Property implies something inanimate.  I hope we can all agree that horses are most definitely not inanimate nor are they `things’.  Things are defined as material objects without life or consciousness; an inanimate object.


1. a thing or things belonging to someone; possessions collectively

2. a building or buildings and the land belonging to it or them

Now, I realize that our PSA pals have some problems with comprehension at the best of times so this is probably boggling their minds  and causing outrage.  In fact, I bet Ole NT is frothing at the mouth and pounding on her computer keys already.  You have certain rights as they pertain to the animals you own.  You have a right to train them or not train them as you wish, even if you suck as a trainer.  You have a right to set your own feed program and you have a right to stable them or not.  But, all these rights have limits.  You do not have a right to abuse another living being because that is against the law.   Don’t believe me?  Go ask Michael Vick how doing what he wanted with the dogs he owned worked out for him.

Because Slaughterhouse Sue is still in hiding, the PSA crowd is once again unsupervised and have resorted to cruising the internet to find things to be outraged over.  Today, it was an article by Donald Bradley of The Kansas City Star, which basically called Slaughterhouse Sue out on some of her more recent lies.  (http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/06/3718025/no-progress-yet-on-proposed-rockville.html#disqus_thread) You would think they would get used to the daily dose of disappointments that is life as a PSA, but they don’t.  Once again, they coordinated their efforts in the bat cave and swarmed the FB page that posted this article.  Then they got their stupid on and let it all hang out for the rest of us to witness.

“…….. Boy, they sure banty that “PhD title around with this Patrick Fazio character. Too bad he isn’t as smart as his “title” deludes. Horses do NOT move their head around any more than any other livestock animal in the same situation, as he stated in one blow hard interview. This is a matter of training, supervising, and enforcing that training to make certain that it is done correctly and humanely. And could you possibly get any more long winded and full of FECES as you have in this emotionally driven, irrational spiel? Honestly, if I were a supporter of opposition to slaughter, I’d distance myself as far as I could get from you people just for the purpose of maintaining credibility. I’M embarrassed for you, and I’m against you.”

I actually cut off the first part of this diatribe as it was just basically ranting. I just want to  point out it is actually PATRICIA Fazio and not Patrick.  Too bad this person can’t tell the difference between an innie and an outie as it does not bode well for the rest of this discussion. Let’s look at what this anatomy expert is telling us. She thinks horses do NOT move their head around more than any other livestock and slaughtering them is no different.  I don’t know what kind of horses she is breeding or riding, but I think even a blind man could see there is a pretty big difference between the necks of horses, cows, and pigs.

Do you see the difference?  Now add to the fact that horses’ heads are not placed in squeeze chutes and all of a sudden you have a moving target with a much larger range of motion than cows, pigs or chickens.  I know our PSA buddies aren’t very bright, but surely they can understand the difference between hitting a moving target and one that is in a head restraint?  Maybe not….Here’s another definition to chew on…



1.lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.uninformed; unaware.
4.due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.


Speaking of ignorant, here is one of the PSA supporters backing her anatomical expert buddy up…

“I have yet to hear a reasonable alternative to horse slaughter. Until one is presented, I cannot oppose the horrible act. I would never eat an American horse due to unregulated drugs, but I have no problem with those who do. I would actually like to try the meat one day. That doesn’t make me evil or an abuser or even a horse hater. I love my horses and would never subject them to that fate. I do not love every horse.”

Do you get that?  She won’t eat US horse meat because of the drugs, but she’s just fine with feeding it to other people.  Awesome!  She is also another PSA hypocrite that wouldn’t put her horse to slaughter because she loves him, but it’s just fine for horses she doesn’t love.  I wonder if she think they suffer less or something.  That’s like saying it’s ok for other people to get raped and murdered as long as it doesn’t happen to your loved ones.  WTF?  Seriously….

Not to be deterred, the original brainiac pulled out the favorite defense of PSAs everywhere and over shared liberally peppered with bullshit….

“I was raised with horses. I was getting paid to start range bred remuda yearlings when I was twelve years old and up. I’ve delivered them, I’ve shoed them, sales prepped them, galloped them for race trainers. I’ve been a broodmare assistant, a race barn groom. I’ve raised them on bottles and buckets. I’ve watched the bootlegged slaughter house tapes from Canada and I’ve seen the photos of the conditions horses are subjected to in Mexico. And that’s YOUR fault, since you want to place blame and judge people you know nothing about, business as usual for a bunch of half wit clowns that profess to be experts when they are in fact living room recliner jockeys perched balancing a lap top professing to save all the poor little ponies from the nasty horse “murderers” and not knowing their rectal orifice from a snake hole. People like me save horses all of the time. Because we know how to, because we are the best at what we do, and we know what’s worth saving and what isn’t, because we treat all of our livestock responsibly and humanely, because it’s the right thing to do, NOT because a bunch of know nothing NUTS had to enlighten us in the errors of our ways.

This is the same asshat that thinks horses wring their tail when they are racing because they are in the process of stocking up. Even if she has done half of what she claims, she’s likely been  a miserable failure at most. You know, you can spend your lifetime around horses and that doesn’t make you a `horseman’.  Some things can’t be taught especially when you think you already know it all and are the `best at what you do’.  BTW, seen pics of this person’s breeding efforts and she is definitely part of the problem.


I think at some point we may need to consider an awards system to add to Point and Laugh Fridays.  These people work so hard at being ignorant, I feel like we should give the dumbest statement/story of the week an award.  Should I let ads on this blog, I’m thinking along the lines of donating a portion of advertising dollars to either a rescue or anti-slaughter cause in the winner’s name each month.  Thanks to y’all we have more than enough traffic to do that, but I also think ads are annoying.  Nothing is going to happen overnight, but let me know your thoughts.  I’m neutral at this point.

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The more I learn about the proposed slaughter industry, the more I think about my own horses.  I’ve mentioned a few times that one of mine was rescued from that fate.  I’ve had him for quite a few years now and I still think about it every day. He’s pretty much a one person horse now and I often think about what would happen to him if anything happened to me.  Because he’s big and `fancy’, I’m sure people would want him, Lord knows I’ve turned down serious money for him in the past, but I don’t know how he would do with anybody else.  Not because I think I’m soooo much better than anybody else, but because he’s a problem child due to past abuse.  I’m not sure if somebody else didn’t know his history, that they would do OK with him or have the patience he needs. I’m really not sure that somebody that didn’t have the emotional investment I have in him would take the time to learn to work with him.  He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body, but because he is so big and athletic, he could be dangerous in the wrong hands. So, what to do?

We were actually talking about this at the barn the other day.  My one friend has actually written her horse into her will.  No, she didn’t leave him her worldly wealth, but she has three people designated that she would want to have her horse and made a provision for him.  She knows that the designated people are all anti-slaughter as her concern is to keep her animal out of that pipeline. I have another friend that has written me into the will to disperse their horses in the event of their death.  They knew I would place them in homes and see that they were cared for.  I have made contingency plans for my own horses with a provision from my estate as well.  I know that the fat bastards would be more than happy to be retired and they are perfectly happy where I keep them.  They would continue living right where they are and being spoiled rotten by the BO.  It’s sure never fun to think about stuff like that and you can’t exactly rule from the grave, so you make your best plans and hope it works out.

Not as easy to plan for is what happens if you lose your ability to care for your animals.  Not everybody boards their horse and not everybody keeps them at home.  There are almost as many situations as there are owners.  I know when I injured my knee and had surgery a few years back, I was the only person that was available to care for my horses on a daily basis.  I had surgery in the morning and was feeding that same night.  It was not easy doing it all on crutches by myself, but we made it through.  I actually had to ASK for some help from family to come help me get things set up, which included moving feed supplies to a place I could easily distribute their meals hopping on one foot.  I wasn’t overly worried about getting down to water them as my horses are pretty respectful of my personal space, so the crutches weren’t ever an issue.  Everything took far longer to do, but you do what you have to.  They continued to be a priority. The whole situation to get me thinking though.  I didn’t really know my neighbors and if I hadn’t had family in town and was unable to get out to them, what would I do?  Thankfully, I did know other horse people and had helped others out before.  I was pretty sure I could call in a favor if it came right down to it.  Now, I make a point of trading favors with horsey friends. It is important to network as you never know what will happen.

I’ve had horses all my life and have been lucky enough to make my living with them for most of my adult life.  Still, I have always carried at least two of my own horses in addition to work and they haven’t always lived where I work.  When I was younger, there were many times I went hungry, but I have never had a skinny horse.  They didn’t know I was poor, because I always made sure they ate before I did and I lived on what was left over.  One of the readers of this blog mentioned `human responsibility’ in the comments and I think that applies here.  Whether you lost your job or some other disaster strikes, you have a responsibility to your animals. We took their ability to care for themselves away when we domesticated them so many years ago. I have a horse on a special diet and I always make sure I’m at least a month or more ahead with his feed I buy.  I’ve always stockpiled hay well in advance too.  It’s just always been a part to my budget. Before the manicures and pedicures, before the hair salon, the animals are provided for.

Most of the plans I make for my horses, involve keeping them out of the slaughter pipeline.  I am not really an `in-your-face’ with my beliefs type in person, but I make sure that the people I have horse dealings with, know where I stand on that issue. There is not a single person in my family that supports slaughter.  I wouldn’t use a vet that supported slaughter only because I know we are coming from two different places when it comes time to make hard decisions.  Time and again, I see people who have lost their jobs or had some other personal crisis end up either starving their horse or putting them in the slaughter pipeline.  Life throws us all curve-balls and we can’t always plan for them, but we can be prepared.  What plans have the rest of you made if the unthinkable happens?

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A one-eyed 26 year old stallion shows up in a kill pen.  While not completely emaciated, he is showing his age and more than average wear and tear.  He is almost completely shut down, just standing in the corner with his head down.  He is clearly not the sort of horse that can be gelded, rehabbed and adopted out.  Of course, there are dozens of other horses in the pens awaiting the same fate, some are younger and stronger.  What do you do if you are a rescue?

One of the things I keep hearing the PSAs harp on is what horses deserve to get rescued and that rescues are only out for publicity.  After I posted my blog about ethics a couple of days ago, they truly got their panties in a bunch.  I’m a very bad person for questioning rescues that appear to support slaughter and I should just leave them all alone and let them do their work.    Yet, when they see something they don’t like they swarm the rescue and harass them.  Of course they coordinate their efforts in their bat cave so they can achieve maximum asshattery.  Such was the case today when an emaciated horse’s picture was posted on Facebook.  It is probably the most emaciated horse I have ever seen that is still up and walking around.  The PSAs came out in full force demanding this horse be put down and that the rescue was using him to solicit donations.  The next two pictures are of the horse in question.

Pretty horrific, no?  Still they had this horse checked over by a vet and a complete blood work-up done.  Amazingly he is not in system failure and everything looked `pretty good’.  He also doesn’t appear to be an old horse and has a fairly bright expression for a horse in his condition.  The decision has been made to give this horse a chance at recovery.  People have stepped up and offered donations for this horse’s care.  In reality, his care isn’t going to be as expensive as the PSAs would have you believe.  They are shrieking about how painful starvation is.  I don’t disagree with that, but `starvation’ is over for this horse.  He is now in safe hands.  It’s not like he’s requiring surgery or anything.  He needs specialized groceries and careful monitoring.  This horse has a chance at a meaningful recovery and he clearly wants to live or he wouldn’t have made it this far.  As long as the attending veterinarians feel he is being handled humanely, who is anybody to say any different? 

Is this horse a poster child?  Probably he is and I’m pretty much fine with that.  The PSAs think he should have his pictures taken and then be `put in the ground’.  Of course they do!  Then they can use him as a poster child for their mission to slaughter horses.  They can post up his picture and tell you how starvation is painful and there is no other solution than slaughter.  If he gains weight and recovers, this will not be of any use to them at all.  They don’t want to have their choice to slaughter taken away, but they sure do like having an opinion on what other people do.  Yes, people will donate to support horses like this.  Often times they will do that before they donate to a younger healthier animal because  people are emotional beings.  At least most of us are. Every dollar that people donate to help this horse, frees up other dollars that rescue has to help other horses.  They have already made the choice to save him whether that is out-of-pocket or not.  If you don’t like it, don’t donate.  Pretty simple. It’s all about choices, remember?

Here’s the thing about human nature; most of us pull for the underdogs.  Who doesn’t like to hear about a happy ending?  While I see most PSAs wanting to dictate what horses should be rescued, I don’t really care as long as it’s being done ethically.  I happen to have a soft spot for old horses.  I just adore them and have one of my own.  Some people only want to rescue draft breeds and others choose to focus on ponies.  I know of one rescue in Kentucky that is solely dedicated to rescuing and providing sanctuary for old broodmares.  Every horse rescued is one less `unwanted or neglected’ horse no matter what the age, breed or useability is.

Now, let’s get back to the old one-eyed stallion in the kill pen.  Most PSAs would tell you to let him go and save the young ones.  However, this horse has a story.   He was once a graded stakes winner of over $300,000 in a career spanning five years and 47 starts.  While very well-bred, he fell out of favor in the breeding shed and ended up standing to Quarter Horses in Kansas.  When they were finished with him, he was unceremoniously dumped for slaughter.  The horse I’m talking about is Clever Allemont and he is the horse in all of the pictures on this post except for the other rescue horse.

Thanks to social networking and getting the word out quickly, Clever Allemont was rescued from that kill pen and returned to Kentucky to live out his days at Old Friends Retirement. He is now 30years old.  He won’t be retrained or adopted out.  He enjoys a happy retirement with lots of visitors and attention.  The last time I saw him was at a fundraising benefit.  I slipped away from the entertainment and dinner with a pocket full of peppermints to visit him.  While still all man, he is as kind as any horse and always quite happy to get his favorite treat.  Thankfully, many people feel just like I do.  This horse was owed a happy retirement.  He made a lot of money and did a lot for people over the years.  The thanks he would have gotten from a PSA would have been slaughter.  How is that right?

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