I wanted to kick off this post by thanking Manson for slithering under her rock and lying low for a few weeks. While I wasn’t exactly on a break from all things HiCaliber, it had been really nice not to have to hear that voice spew copious amounts of lies. Sadly, that all came crashing to an end recently and, once again, I feel compelled to try to make some sense out of the latest con and lay a few updates on y’all. I’d originally planned to do a puff post just reminiscing about some of Manson’s hypocrisy, but maybe that’s better left for later. To state the obvious, this is probably going to be a longish post, but that’s what happens when things pile up. #sorrynotsorry
After a long silence, June 26th was Griftmas for HiCaliber as Manson came out of hiding and manifested some emaciated and suffering horses; the first of which was Walter who was apparently already dead by the time the post was made. While she originally stated that he `appeared’ to have cancer on his penis, she later claimed a vet diagnosed him. I decided not to post the peen pics, but it didn’t look like cancer and I highly doubt that Manson would have paid out of pocket for a biopsy when she claims to owe her vet something in the neighborhood of 13k. Maybe the vet he was seen by was the 30% vet, I dunno, but Walter didn’t make it and where he came from or whether he was a HiCaliber horse renamed or one of her personal projects, we just don’t know. Nothing would surprise me at this point. RIP Walter #sayhisname
The latest con started when this skinny buckskin stud materialized after being mentioned in Walter’s post. Whether the `other’ breed specific rescue ever existed, I can’t say for sure. What I do know is that HiCaliber raised far over the $250 shipping fee and that Performance Equine originally claimed they received no forwarded funds with the horse. All the posts on their page regarding that were quickly deleted as they caved into the bullying from the village idiots and because PER’s founder has the spine of a jelly fish. The thing is, although we’re used to M skimming off the top, her collecting a shipping fee for this horse is somewhat of a double dip since she charges HiCaliber for the `use’ of her trailer on a monthly basis anyhow. That’s another story for another time. What I want people to notice most of all is the background in the first picture of this horse. That is unmistakably taken at Salvador Paniagua aka Rancho El Pajuelazo aka notorious scum sucking, bottom feeding horse tripper and animal abuser aka Manson’s #1 mangled horse supplier’s ranch. The video was taken by an advocate at his property not so long ago and clearly shows the same green privacy screen, trees and white trailer that are in the background of this buckskin stallion. Sadly, this was only the beginning of the con.
This horse was also presented to the village idiots around the same time as the buckskin stallion. They dutifully raised the funds needed to bail him and haul him and then *crickets*.
Around about the same time yet another `skinny’ horse was mentioned. I believe it was about June 26th also. Notice how Manson claims the neighbors had been calling AC with no luck and that the owner `agreed’ to sell the horse to them. We were supposed to conveniently overlook the other ribby horse in the background as well as other horses on the property. I guess we’re supposed to overlook the roof of the house barely visible too, but I’ll get to that in a bit. Naturally, Manson was willing to go pick the horse up. There was some push back on this and the village response was lukewarm as far as loosening up the purse strings.
As you can seem people started asking legitimate questions and offering help for this horse based on Manson stating this was near the Arizona border. I guess near is a relative term since the horse was actually in Perris. Manson kept referring the little mare as a `him’ but that obviously wasn’t the case. Either nobody cared to check or didn’t care. Penis, vagina, it all grifts the same. Naturally, inconvenient posts were ignored and/or deleted. Manson claimed to be considering offers. Again, this was all on the original post made on June 26th. So, what do these three horses have to do with each other?
What they have to do with each other is all three horses came from Salvador. His granddaughter’s pony is clearly visible in the background of the one picture and from the advocates that have been boots on the ground at his compound, these are his pens. So, no poor family, no concerned neighbors, no hard times or whatever. Salvador is quite comfortable financially and even though he keeps his flipper horses in squalor, his house and compound are quite nice. Now that we’ve established where the horses came from, let’s look some more lies and cons surrounding their arrival at HiCaliber nearly two weeks later. Since the initial financial response from the village was underwhelming, Manson had to turn the screws and yank on those heart strings.
Flash forward to July 6th and skinny horse #1 shows up at HiCaliber in even worse shape than originlly pictured. I found it pretty strange that she said no help came for weeks for this horse when she was the one that knew about him and where he was. It’s not like she’ll give up those contact details to anybody else and I guarantee you she’s the only person Salvador called because anybody else would have called AC on him. Linus shows wounds on his legs consistent with tripping. In fact, Salvador was just advertising an event at the Colusa Fairgrounds that was held in June. I’m wondering if Linus was in attendance. I’m sure it comes as no surprise that Manson made a big deal about him still having shoes on and that they weren’t worn down enough or something. Apparently the concept that not everybody rides on the road and wears their shoes down is foreign to her. Also, gunsel that she is, she didn’t seem to notice that while he did still have shoes on, judging by the length of his feet, they’d been on there for a couple of months. That is more than enough time for a horse to drop this amount of weight especially when they are being abused. If you don’t believe me, go back in the HiCaliber archives and see how quick some of their inmates have lost condition once they drug them home. Drama, Firetyme, Sully and Braveheart come to mind right away.
As upsetting as Linus’s condition was, the village idiots were in a heightened state of what almost seemed like sexual arousal over having another skinny horse to `save’ and a live feed from their leader. It caused them to whip up some drama and angst just like in the glory days. Where are the haters? They never had a shot at saving these horses because Salvador only calls Manson. There is no language barrier or financial issues. This is not rescue, this is exploitation all down the line from the asshole that dumped this horse, to the one that tripped him and on to Manson who further exploited him. People squeezed every penny possible out of this horse and clearly nothing has been put back into him. The real question is what rescue would protect the very person that does this to animals?
Some of the village tried to offer some suggestions to keep Manson in business. The problem with the above suggestion is that Manson couldn’t teach a horse to shit and she is far too lazy to get up and go educate people even if she could. Her rebuttal is telling as we do know that she is still under investigation with the CVMB and has been cleared of nothing. The above clip is her admitting to doing vet procedures other than surgery on the HiCaliber horses and also where the whole 30% vet thing started. Actually that live feed had lots of awesome little nuggets and the entire video can be seen here complete with Angrid offering to send people fellatio instructions if they donate.
This wasn’t a bad suggestion if we were talking about an actual honest individual and transparent organization. The fact is there has long been a donation jar in Manson’s house and people are strongly encouraged to donate when they visit. The donation jar has also served as Manson’s personal piggy bank and basically none of it ever finds its way to the actual horses unless you count her many personal horses. I’m not sure that Manson wants a bunch of visitors anyhow because they do things like take pictures of broken fences, skinny horses and mountains of shit. What they rarely get pictures of is Manson outside of her house or anywhere near the horses unless it’s to load them up for a beach ride.
Coming as no surprise to anybody but the remaining village idiots, the other skinny horse officially showed up the very next day. I say officially because she was actually in the trailer with Linus. If you go back to his pics, he was clearly in the first stall of the trailer and Dream is clearly in the 2nd stall in her pics. Both sets of pics were closely cropped. We already know they both came from Salvador. There is some debate on what day they actually arrived at HiCaliber because both horses were pictured with no halters on in the trailer, but Robyn is seen putting one on Dream, yet the very next picture, supposedly taken on the same day, shows her with an entirely different halter. The sad part was the enormous pile of shit seen in the trailer behind Dream which makes me wonder how long they stood in that trailer, in over 100 degree heat while Manson stopped to feed herself like she always seems to do. I’m not sure what part of the UC Davis protocol states to hang a hay bag in front of horses for several hours and let them free feed either.
Naturally, people were upset with the condition of this mare. Normal people wanted some accountability for her condition. Village idiots remained silent and waited to be told what degree of outrage and what questions would be acceptable. Manson blurred out the mare’s BLM brand in her pics (go to Skydog’s page and they are not blurred) claiming she agreed to do that because there are agencies involved. *cough*bullshit*cough* She likely did it because the last time she showed a branded Mustang at Ontario, advocates ran the brand and her grift got stopped dead in its tracks. She wasn’t about to let that happen again.
The real reason she wasn’t going to answer is because she covers for Salvador. However, as mentioned before on this blog, there is almost always a sliver of truth to Manson’s lies but you have to really look hard to find it. Thanks to a reader and advocate, I didn’t have to look too hard to find it in this statement. AC likely is aware of the situation. How and why they are aware isn’t what Manson would have her village believe though.
I was kind of back and forth whether or not to share these screen shots in their entirety, but in the interest of full disclosure I think it’s the best way to go. They aren’t my screen shots, but were sent to me from a reader, which I very much appreciate. It seems that SDHS claims to have a `more than’ weekly presence at HiCaliber and they also mention unsubstantiated claims which is pretty important. I believe this reader wanted to know if they were aware of where this horse came from since HiCaliber claims they that they had been working with AC on the matter. I guess technically, yes, they are getting a visit from SDHS on a regular basis but just like Manson thinks veterinarians are her colleagues, SDHS probably wouldn’t consider themselves to be working with HiCaliber. I’m guessing they probably weren’t told where these skinny horses actually came from. The unsubstantiated claims are the people calling over every little thing (I am not referring to the person that supplied these screen shots). I know I have urged people to make noise, but make noise about actual violations, not what Manson might do. Don’t be the ones crying wolf. This was a legitimate question sent in and IMO SDHS was a bit rude to this person, but I can only imagine the number of calls and complaints that continue to roll in the longer this drags out.
Having tested the waters and realizing her core village idiots were still there, Manson preached to the choir. Yes, Salvador knows better, but he doesn’t give a shit. He’s been busted by AC, he’s been banned out auctions for the condition of his mangled horses and he continues to abuse and torture them. The only `socioeconomic’ factor that created `this’ is greed. Salvador is not hurting for cash nor does he need Manson to teach him the law or give him resources. He’s pretty well connected as a stock contractor and knows very well that what he does to those horses is unacceptable. The `currency language’ Manson shares with Salvador and all these guys is greed and exploitation. We’ve also talked about Salvador’s kids before and no, they aren’t calling Manson or being inspired by her. They are adults. They also do the same shit and have his outlook on animals. The fact that anybody buys this crap boggles my mind.
One of the little manipulations Manson dropped in her live video about Linus was that a `well known’ flipper had shipped a load of horses to Texas to go to slaughter. She claimed it was the first time in two years. She was talking about Misner and the truth is he never stopped shipping to slaughter. The pics above are of his lot recently and the horses are rotating in and out with what appears to be air freight containers parked there now as well. The kinds of horses Bubba and his daddy dumped at HiCaliber were ones like Johnny Cade that wouldn’t make the haul and would be rejected at the border if they did. HiCaliber never stopped a single horse from going to slaughter and, if you recall, attempted to ship Snuggles to slaughter through Misner and got caught. The other problem with her statement is that shipping horses for the purposes of slaughter is still illegal in California and she states right on camera that not only is Misner admitting to it, but she knows and is doing nothing about it. So much for rescue being in her blood. The only blood in this equation is on her hands.
I have seen a lot of speculation about whether Manson is moving or not. Back on June 19th she claimed her rent was paid beyond the 30th of the month. She also claimed her adoption team would be phased out and they were closing, but that didn’t happen either. What did happen is she was officially served with a termination of their lease. What I heard actually went down was that she hid in her house and only opened the door enough to let her pit bull out. The funny part is the server made friends with the dog and Manson still ended up getting her notice. I know that some people will say `where’s the proof?’. It just so happens I do have some proof as far as Manson leaving the property. You didn’t really think I’d drop this without receipts, did you?
Mike Shore is the fire marshal. He paid a visit to HiCaliber just the other day to check on their compliance as far as removing flammable material and a fire plan or something. He not only gives the official head count of livestock there (although not counting pigs, goats and guinea fowl), but it seems that Manson has Mr. Fancy Socks, the attorney doing her talking for her and he stated that she is, in fact, leaving the property. That’s about as close to from the Manson’s own mouth as you can get lately, but as usual with her, the truth is somewhere in between what she says. No word on how is paying all these legal bills with Mr. Fancy Socks running intererence for her all the time. If she is cleared of everything with rent paid, why is she lawyered up anyhow?
I’m sure most of you are aware that Amanduh is jumping ship and moving out. She’s taking Nathalie (does this person have a work visa to be here?), Jess and Heather with her and probably as many HiCaliber horses as Manson can foist on her. All I know about the situation is that the property is in escrow. Who bought it, who will own it and what any of this has to do with Manson’s impending departure from their current residence is purely speculation. Richie Price’s name has been thrown around as a possible backer and many people don’t really know who he is. He’s basically Manson’s sugar daddy and long time board member. The Price arena which never really was used as an arena was named after his deceased wife. He can sometimes be spotted in the background around the farm and the odd time at auction. He’s the one that bought Manson her horse trailer although that was likely written off as a donation to HiCaliber. The video clip is him at their pool party last summer pouring fireball down everybody’s throats. Make of it what you will.
I’m sure many people remember Sully from the Louisiana shit show last year. After enduring being one of six horses stuffed in Cheech’s 4 horse trailer all the way across the country in stifling heat, he was thrown in with some of the other Louisiana horses where he was consequently bullied off his feed and ended up being emaciated worse than even Johnny Cade. Lucky for him he was transferred to Sale Ranch Sanctuary rather than being shot in the face. That is likely because he was too much on the radar at the time. He is now known as Willie in his new home and has made a remarkable recovery. Unfortunately, last week he came down with colic and was taken in to the clinic. I’m told he’s doing much better now and back home, but there is still an outstanding bill from his emergency call and time at the clinic. Further details and live feed can be seen on Sale Ranch’s Facebook page. Please spread the word so people who may wish to contribute towards his vet bill can do so. The fact that he’s alive at all is somewhat of a miracle. I hope he has many more happy retirement years at Sale Ranch.
I think this is a good place to leave things today. I know that this holding pattern we find ourselves in is frustrating. I realize people want to speed things along. By all means be a squeaky wheel but please take the time to learn what agency handles what issues and even what is an actual issue. For example, if it is an animal welfare issue, then it isn’t something the CVMB or even AG is going to deal with so bombarding them only hinders their investigations into other matters. Remember that the acceptable standard of animal care is pitiful, so while the filth and squalor those animals exist in at HiCaliber is hard to see, it’s probably not going to any charges laid. The drama is only dragging things out and the longer this drags out, the more animals will suffer. I’ve always said that while the treatment and exploitation of animals is what brought many of us into this situation, it’s not going to be what changes it or ends it. That’s just the sad reality of the situation and all this energy would be better spent advocating for a change in animal welfare laws and bringing true awareness to the public about horse tripping, slaughter and all these other atrocities Manson and her flipper buddies subject animals to. Lastly, I just want to assure people that while I might not be posting as much lately, I’m very aware of what is going on and our moles are still very much active. I’m just being a bit more selective what I share. All is well. Trust.
It pays to have good friends like I have. You know those loyal true blue friends that immediately tell you when you unfortunately have TP stuck to your shoe after using the restroom.
Oh wait!?! They never told me. How embarrassing. TP still stuck to my shoe. Icky.
Margaretdamit
LOL!
MaggieD, I love your avatar picture from high school you certainly have perfected your now famous scowl, or are you just constipated? I am never constipated but I am full of shit.😁
Oh, I forgot to ask, are you a man or a woman? Asking for a friend.
Larkinasswipe
I am most certainly 100% witchy, bitchy woman. Don’t you follow the quasi famous cough, cough, online TB racing thingy, I sometimes contribute my literary genius to? It’s not called The Man and the Track. It’s called The Lady and the Track. Do you get it?
I’m not trying to be rude. That rudeness comes naturally. So you don’t think you are special like me. Okay? Always good to clear the air.
Margaretdamit
Thank you for clarifying that. My reading comprehension is not so great only having an 5th grade education and all. My friends all LOVED the rectum reference Cindy Diarrhea Stephens has a rectum attached to her face that why she talks shit so much.
LOL!!!
You two crack me up! 😂
Opps, my friends are not very happy with me. They dish it out but they sure can’t take it. That’s what happens when you act like jack asses. I am glad I am not a jack ass, just an ass.
New article up. https://inewsource.org/2018/07/13/critics-accuse-hicaliber-fundraising-dead-horse/
That’s going to leave a mark. LOL
One can only hope! I sure hope the remaining VI read this one.
Finally watched the latest trail ride video done by Amanda. I gritted my teeth and watched most of it. At least 3 available horses are being featured. Did I hear her say Liberty (from the LA fiasco) has a tattoo but it hasn’t been checked yet? Speaking of which, where are those DNA results or did that bag of hair get stolen with the receipts?
The horse’s name is Trinity and yes, she has a tattoo. Only 3 of the La horses were ever identified. Not a very good average for somebody that went on the news saying she wanted to `tell their stories’.
Is it any surprise? If they share their stories we’ll know that they lied… oh wait, if their lips (Michelle, Romney, et al) are moving they are scheming and lying. I think they learned that watching too many political campaign ads on television. Or, do they follow the old adage “Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ~Nikita Khrushchev” They just changed it to Rescue grifters promise to pull DNA and tell stories even when there are no stories to tell.
I wonder which genius googled “skinny horse” and used one of the resulting photos for that Facebook post. Why not use the photo of Sully after he’d been under the “care” of hicaliber for a couple months? Now, that was a skinny horse needing rescue!
Sully was the skinniest horse I have ever seen. Even worse than Johnny Cade actually. It just proves that with proper refeeding and 100% vet intervention they can be rehabbed. Even sadder was that Sully was not that skinny when he first got to HiCaliber. Speaking of horses losing weight at HiC, I wonder how Firetyme is making out in his new home. That was another one they damn near starved to death.
He probably would have if he was under the radar, it was fortunate for him that yourself and others kept him front and center.
OK everyone, brace yourselves, we’re FINALLY going to get an update on Linus,
Later today, that is.
She must be wearing her crayons down to nubs with all this creativity.
more like she needed propane so she could melt down the nubs and create bigger crayons and now she is waiting for them to cool off.
Must be waiting until the live Friday night poolside licking salsa off the tile fireball party to make their big announcement on Linus
I could not stomach that again. It was disgusting. What an example she, and the rest of her crew, are. Such advocates for rescue.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and Mr. Fancy Socks will read a statement from her!
Too many people asking questions that’s the only reason why!
Just saw that. They have to announce an update is coming? Which script will she pull out this time or will it be one of the “Michelle Wanna Bes’ filling in? Whatever, who can believe anything they say.
She’s also probably kicking herself they don’t still have his dead body around to stage for tearful live feed I’m sure is coming.
OMG. She just played the “Kate Spade and Anthony Bourdain” card. She is suffering so`o`o`o` much, and it’s everyone else’s fault! And everyone should stay off the internet, but keep sending money!
What a fucking loser she is. GTFO Manson. No sympathy for you!
For someone who hates the internet, 2 hours and 16 minutes of Michelle time is crazy and what two whole minutes of lip service to Linus, whom you killed and are still raising money for🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢. GTFO Michelle and your fucking psycho friends, you have some crayon nubs to go melt and reform, seems to me that no one will be buying you new ones and you might need to sell them on EBay for money because of your internet super stardom, the BMW payment doesn’t make itself.
Did you notice the new manicure, eyebrows and lips? Guess she wasn’t too shutdown to go get that taken care of this week.
The lip job must be freshly done. Half of her upper lip is bigger than the other.
I kinda giggled when she talked about picking her lip til it bled.
Is she saying that the fillers leaked out, too? LOL!
Perhaps that is where her brain matter went because it is obviously no longer there if she can in any way excuse her actions.
I wish we weren’t aware of just how long this investigation will take because I wish that they would get her off the computer and begging for funds forever.
So Linus was in liver failure? I couldn’t watch the live…just couldn’t. When horses are in liver failure they don’t eat…won’t eat….can’t eat….they feel like shit. The video of Linus chowing down on alfalfa did not look like a horse in liver failure to me. I’m not a vet…but…I know what liver failure does. I’ve seen it. I call bullshit on that one. She over fed a starving horse would be a more believable story here. Why doesn’t she learn from her mistakes?
If she had a vet there to do the intake and run a blood panel on him then they would have known his liver wasn’t functioning as it should. That’s the problem with her lies. One lie exposes another. He could have been in liver failure because they do tend to get quite skinny and alfalfa is the exact wrong thing to give them, but I highly doubt this was the case here. I think she fed some symptoms into google, combined it with what Sully just went through and came up with a story to cover her ass. She kept saying he `crashed’. I’m wondering if the 30% vet didn’t hit him with dewormer and his body couldn’t handle the die off or something. I will guarantee you no vet saw that horse upon intake.
I think you are absolutely correct
No, she claimed that’s how you tell she’s stressed. Some people chew their nails but she picks her numb lip til it bleeds.
You’ve got to be kidding me. LOL on one hand she talks about how much her kids see on the internet, and then she makes comments like that one. Parenting at its finest.
Oh, and don’t ask questions because that gives her anxiety.
The Cliff’s Notes for the live feed are:
Me me me
We’ll get to Linus but first let’s talk about me
Nothing is my fault
Me me me me
Oh yeah, Linus died but I couldn’t talk about it because I had anxiety and had to shutdown. Nevermind my new mani/pedi, brows and lashes and lips
me me me me me
Send money!
Oh tacos! Kthnxbye
Lol your spot on. Every video is the same. Its always all about her.
Thanks for the summary. I don’t need to watch it now.
Yep — that sums it up. And send money for my utilities,
That was only when she wasn’t comparing herself to Adelle and somehow the Black Lives Matter movement is something to do with how she’s been persecuted or something. Her ego is still overblown and out of control.
My fav? When she says she’s been crying as an explaination for the glassy eyes. I would be thrilled if when she played the all about the love she didn’t look so damn smug. Actually I’d be thrilled if she went away tomorrow.
We’re all so sad that these horses are flying out the door. Isn’t that the point of rescue? To rehabilitate and find them good homes? Not that happens at HiCaliber.
I thought that was a weird statement too. If she was a real rescue rather than a hoarder, they would be used to horses flying out the door. Still not as traumatizing as watching mommy shoot them in the face and being told to go cover up the body with a blue tarp though.
I have so many thoughts on the kids and the blue tarp I can’t even write them all.
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that upper lip was so pumped it seemed to impede her speech. Another gem was her lie no horses had shipped since Dec.2015 & Misner just shipped a load b/c HC can’t buy & shoot them first.
Misner never stopped shipping and none of the horses he sent to HiCaliber were meat horses. He he dumped his border rejects on them for the most part. Let’s not forget that she tried to send Snuggles to slaughter via Misner and talked about more than one horse getting `shipped’ then. A little fact that Tracy Acres likes to gloss over too.
I’m sure there are ways around the border requirements but there are forms to provide and they are supposed to be inspected as well. I know I’m preaching to the masses but…
Horses Health Certificate (slaughter) -April 2018
Horses (slaughter) – Affidavit
Even when it is not required in the protocol, slaughter horses to Mexico must be free of ticks. Horses with ticks will be rejected at the border. Even when it is not required in the protocol, slaughter horses to Mexico must be free of ticks. Horses with ticks will be rejected at the border. An affidavit and an Owners Declaration (Form 10-13) must be presented at entry along with the health certificate
Please Note:
For horses exported to Mexico, the health certificate must state the name of the laboratory and the date that the equine infectious anemia blood sample was obtained from the horse (within 60 days prior to exportation).There are no additional restrictions on US horses to Mexico in relation to the Vesicular Stomatitis case in Texas
Links should have posted…
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/export/international-standard-setting-activities-oie/sa_by_country/sa_m/ct_animal_mexico
The whole slaughter industry is dirty and deceitful. Misner `launders’ his horses in Arizona from what I’m told.
Pretty sad that these things don’t get the oversight. Maybe it’s me but I get a little frustrated when people comment “thank you for saving this horse from slaughter” and it’s a super skinny horse with ribs and hip bones protruding… How many times does it have to be said skinny horses don’t ship? They get paid by the pound. A fat and happy horse is more likely to ship than a bag of bones. Again preaching…
I get frustrated by that, too.
M was merely providing a place for those scumbags to dump their rejects
Shed pointed out there were other horses besides Snuggles that M stated had gone to Misner. I wonder just how many other healthy horses she’s personally responsible for going to slaughter.
Ugh!!!
The internet and organizations like HiCaliber has created this market for horses that wouldn’t have normally had any value at all to kill buyers. Now you have them combing Craiglist and all over to get them for nothing or next to in order to sell them to the rescues, which give them more money to buy the meat horses that nobody every has a chance to buy.
I’m not in their shoes making some of the hard decisions they do but I wish they would cut those types off at the knees and stop the cycle.
I just recently saw one rescue bash another because of a choice. I didn’t like the choice myself but to do that was kinda tacky. You never know when you might need help from another rescue and to create that image isn’t ideal.
Another thing I have an issue with is the assumption that all these backyard situations are horrible abusive people. Don’t get me wrong seeing a horse lose condition and body score is beyond words. It’s not okay. It’s equally wrong to shame every situation and cause people to be afraid to seek help. Maybe if they weren’t afraid to ask for help they would. The repeat offenders are the ones to watch out for. The ones who have a sob story for every situation and take advantage of the help they receive. Those are the types that ruin it for everyone.
I would venture everyone of us has come across both situations and what are we supposed to do? Not look? I think that sometimes rescue starts with a little human kindness and doing what we can where we can. It doesn’t have to be about money. It’s as easy as saying “Do you need a little help? Can I brush your horse?”. We all have limits and can set them. It doesn’t mean we have to shoulder the complete burden a little can go along ways.
Good points. With rescues being overwhelmed and not able to help every horse, I agree that perhaps offering a helping hand could keep horses with their owners and educate people. Hay banks are great ideas and just letting people know the resources that are available. Every rescue does things a bit differently and as long as the animals are coming first and properly cared for, then stay in your own lane. If HiCaliber hadn’t been needlessly shooting and playing vet on countless animals, I wouldn’t have even bothered with her fraudulent fund raising and grifting. I’ve said it many times before that I am not the rescue police. The SoCal rescue community is a trainwreck thanks to HiCaliber. It would be nice if some healing could happen.
PS Dumping your rescue horses out the back door and making them disappear will get all kinds of negative attention like HiCaliber got. Take that for what it’s worth.
I can’t get over the fact Salvador used to dump his ruined tripping horses in the desert. I don’t want to think about someone else making horses disappear right now.
I think it would be nice if people who own a little chunk of land would consider adopting pasture puffs. I know the idea of a large animal is daunting but the bond is gratifying. You don’t have to ride to enjoy a horse. I get so sad when I see the oldies with minimal care and love.
A lot of those trippers do that. While I do wish more people would see the value in a pasture puff, I don’t think people should think it’s ever cheap to adopt and care for a horse. They usually live a long time and sometimes they cost a lot of money. There are many ways to neglect a horse and having one stand in a field without ever having attention of proper maintenance is bad too.
Yeah, I totally agree with the neglect part. It’s sad to see. It’s not cheap to keep some horses but in comparison to some things it’s a while lot more rewarding. I don’t think adopting a pasture puff or any horse should happen without having a little basic knowledge but I think a lot of people with potential are out there and they just don’t because it’s kinda scary.
That’s where public education comes in. Instead of having chasing foals around and drunken pool parties, really introduce people to horses and `tell their story’. Rather than point out the bay horse in the pen, say something (believable) about their personalities. Horses are as individual as humans and mostly quite amusing if you pay attention. When I finally hang up my tack for good I hope I always have a pasture puff or two because really, just hanging out with them is the best therapy going. Even as a kid I used to do my homework in the barn just to be near my horses as much as I could.
That irritates me that HiCaliber has “misinformed” the public on different topics. It’s frustrating to watch people then repeat the same garbage. HiCaliber can’t tell an honest story because they just can’t see beyond their impressive selves.
Their different personalities and quirks are amazing to me. I love what they do (for the most part) and they always making me laugh about something. Lately I’ve been cracking up because they’ve figured out which pocket I keep the cookies in and it’s the first “hello” I get in the morning. A horsey pat down to see if they cookies have made it into my pockets.
re: Liver Failure and emaciated horses
A rescue I know rehabbed a starved horse who was thinner than any I’ve seen yet at HC that initial bloodwork indicated “liver failure.” The horse was also in his 30s and had an infection so euthanasia was initially recommended.
The horse hadn’t given up and was a survivor, and the rescue wanted to give him a few good days (it wasn’t a “euthanize right now or it’s cruelty” situation) and he ultimately gained weight and lived another 3 years before a stroke took him.
What was learned, though, and missed here, is that in starvation (anorexia, etc) initial blood work often shows things like severe anemia and yes, “liver failure.” What they really show are elevated liver enzymes that indicate inflammation or damage. This can be a symptom of liver failure … OR it can indicate anorexia or starvation.
Every time I hear a rescue freak out about a “heart murmur” on an emaciated horse I think … wait, don’t you know that anemia is a side effect of starvation, because of the lack of iron? Treat the anemia, the heart murmur nearly always goes away as the blood thickens. Starvation blood is like water. An emaciated horse without a heart murmur would be a surprise.
Long term starvation will lead to liver enzymes being elevated, and yes, you are close to the end at that stage. But you shouldn’t write off a severely emaciated horse due to some elevated liver enzymes. And if you don’t want to rehab a starved horse, don’t take them in.
I’m pretty sure she pulled that out of her ass. She caught herself in several lies as far as when they found out and how. Reading between the lines, she is back to her old tricks and chopped him up for `science’ afterwards.
Oh, that’s just wrong. Where’s the science in what she does? Professionals have done competent work before her and it’s found in things called a book.
great comment on HC, soon to poof:
“according to your fundraising page under Betterunite you have raised $28K since June and this doesn’t include all the money donated via FB. Would you please provide your villagers with a breakdown of how that money was spent? I think since you continue to ask for more and state you have none that is a reasonable request.”
That was answered.
hmm, so they’re claiming $24K of that was spent on hay
For which horses though? I’m hearing M’s horses eat better than rescue horses.
good point
Linus update? I wonder if Romney will be making an appearance, in full black mascara, ready to cry for the cameras? Wouldn’t surprise me.
Nah, Romney is too busy trying to get Dumbass Darrell back and using his granddaughter as a pawn.
Wowzers. Two hour video presentation. 5 minutes about the horses and Linus. That’s less than 5%. Speaks volumes!
Did they ever get Linus’s exact date of death?
Monday or Tuesday, I think? She really didn’t talk about him that much and her explanation made no sense. He had liver damage so the vet said to euth him but they didn’t know about the liver damage until after he was dead oh and then there was sand and he was leaking into his gut. None of it made sense.
Her lies never do. She all over the road. Pick a lane Manson.
D
I got it as being Monday July 9 Linus died.
Thank you! Does she state it explicitly, or is that simply inferred? If so, can you get it to Shed?
D
Inferred.
In the video she said somethings to the effect she was too distraught or something on Tuesday to make a statement about Linus. People were sending her all sorts of things being posted on the internet. Yada, yada, yada. She meant to post on Thursday. She needed time to regroup. Yada, yada, yada.
Figures. We know she continued collecting money for Linus after he was gone, as well as Mas–they left the thread up asking for transport dollars for over a week until some person on another page posted the actual date that she was shot by michelle, and then the thread vanished. Wonder how many other horses they have continued fundraising for after they were dead? I saw one ex volunteer post that M used to encourage them to continue fundraising long after horses had been fully paid for–I hope that she has sent that in as well as any messages that she received from M to that effect–or the ones she states that she sent telling M that the horses were fully paid for–because coming from an ex volunteer, that makes for an especially strong case against M to add to what is already ongoing.
her spin @ Linus starts when there’s 1 hr 37min left on that clip…says Sunday she ‘went to church’ to get it all out (right)… then Monday Linus crashes, claims vet was there doing tests etc & they were worried he’d be another JCade…doesn’t say he died that day, but inferred b/c then she says Tuesday, after they had ‘time to grieve’, she was gonna tell about it….but was too upset, poor me, needed to breathe etc
I’m guessing we’re supposed to ignore the lack of updates after Saturday and overlook the record breaking heat and their past inability to keep waters full and clean.
D, are you referring to auction days? An ex volunteer posted that was happening on auction days, which many finally suspected. Sime could see what was actually going in the PP accounts, often thousands, while M and R were saying they only had enough for one. That was their big money day so they have to be hurting now. I don’t think their Bad Backyard program is that lucrative. Glad someone finally stepped up on that one! Wonder if the AG is trying to wade through that mess.
Richie Rich is just a perverted old man taint he? And isn’t it ever so cute how demurly the beast opens up for her shot. Much different from the passed out on the ground slurping from the puddle drunk we see so often. For a split personality persona, this scene of HiCaliber grifting is a real pallet of roles.
That live Michelle did last night was by far, the biggest sack of verbal diarrhea I have ever heard.
Jesus she’s a wind bag of social media and current event news, Facebook memes, googled phrases that include; trauma, anxiety, depression, and guilt.
Just wow
It was a wealth of meme material. That part was awesome.
Summary of last nights 2+ hour long video supposedly about a Linus update but really all about how mental Michelle is.
Three words: silence is golden
Not if she is going to continue bringing in donations. We have said all along that, and she is well aware that many of these people know nothing about horses and mostly follow the manufactured personality that they see online. Contrary to her belief, however, a few hundred people does not make her any sort of internet celebrity. (God I wish I knew how to make laughing emoties on here like y’all do LOL.)
I did chuckle at the villagers who then responded in comments with how mental THEY are. I think we had already figured that out.
Another sermon on the mattress. Manson’s latest buzzword is “authentic”. Therapy much Manson, or a shit load of self-help books? I could actually feel a minute bit of sympathy if she would REALLY “own her shit”. The false stories about the horses, the lies, the association with the Nachos, Misners, Salvadores. JUST QUIT LYING. Quit rewarding the abusers, and trippers, a slaughter suppliers. If you want to be so authentic truth is a requirement. If you want to be authentic quit hiding behind 5 cent pseudo intellecutalism. Quit hiding behind the false lips, lashes, and extensions. So hypocritical to beg for sympathy and understanding when you’re sitting there, on someone elses dime, endlessly moaning about yourself. GTFO! Fuck off! Go away! Give up the gimmicks to get donations. Support youself. Quit grifting for the horses and using it on yourself. Then you will have a small chance at authenticity.
She doesn’t know what authentic means. She doesn’t know how to support herself without the village and their donations. It is clearly fraud and has been for quite sometime. I wonder if she will be remorseful when she gets to prison. I don’t see her bring remorseful. I do see her continuing to play the victim card.
Sadly, I doubt there will be prison time but even if there was, prisons are full of innocent people according to the inmates.
Shed
The fraud, misuse of funds and playing veterinarian are what will get her prison time. Unfortunately, the animal welfare laws and enforcement need revamping.
I do believe that M is a wee bit concerned about pending charges. She has to be. She knows what she did is wrong and illegal.
D will explain this better than I can, but they have to be able to prove a certain amount or benchmark for the fraud to go criminal vs civil. The CVMB has no ability to lay charges really. I’ve seen some people throwing the term `malpractice’ around and that’s not the case. She’s not a licensed veterinarian so she can hardly be charged with malpractice. My understanding is that most of these agencies are standing down to allow the AG to take the lead on all this and that’s who will bring whatever charges or court actions. As much as we all want to see the orange jumpsuit, don’t get too invested in it for Manson. She will lie and falsify things and they won’t catch it all. I know it is frustrating but the key here is to get her to stop abusing and exploiting horses and we’re close to having that accomplished.
Great Points!
Thank you for centering us on our real mission here.
If I may ask, what can the veterinary board do her case ?
And the impending charges may well explain her anxiety!
I’m sure her anxiety does stem from knowing she’s guilty. The whole `somebody might want to shoot me’ is another enormous lie considering she doesn’t even lock her doors.
That part is a fantasy built up in her own mind, the same way she claims that she won’t name suppliers because they have been “harassed.” Funnily enough, her suppliers claim the exact opposite and state that everyone has been perfectly wonderful while communicating.
While many people would not mourn her loss, that is a whole lot different than supposed threats, but her secret motto has always been–the same as most of the bad rescues–that “drama brings donations.”
Of course, when one knows that there are people waiting to serve her with paperwork when she steps outside, (how many times have we heard, “Michelle stayed in the house?”) many agencies notifying her of charges via the USPS, and meetings with agencies, that IS bound to give anyone some anxiety. Sort of makes me wonder if that is another reason that she quit going to auction (besides the DA’s warning) , because anyone needing to serve her with paperwork could know exactly where to find her on Tuesdays.
Although we hope that she gets prison time, it is doubtful. For the most part, cases like this have been charged as civil, with many thousands of dollars in fines, the loss of the 501c3, and the inability to solicit funds over the internet for a long period of time.
HOWEVER–
The benchmark for embezzlement appears to be both amount and intent, and this may very well make the difference in this case. There were hundreds of thousands of dollars taken out in cash for which they are being forced to account with receipts and if they can’t, well…and that is in addition to the various personal charges for food, car payments for her personal car, etc. It is our hope that has been proven. It has not been an accident that she chose to use the rescue accounts to fund her own personal lifestyle not with an occasional purchase, but on which to live. It is the ultimate goal for us, and hopefully the authorities involved see it that way, as well.
The purchase of the BMW, the fast food lifestyle (funny how she claims it was to feed volunteers, but they were mostly all single coffee and meal purchases and the volunteers deny getting meals except ones for which they paid for all of them) the 1600.00 puppy, the pools, etc..all came from rescue funds for personal reasons. Even the housing may be taken into consideration, especially with the fact that she chose to live in such an expensive property, paid for with rescue funds, despite not being zoned in a manner in which to keep the beneficiaries of the rescue safe.
The CVMB also does not have the power on its own to pursue criminal charges and any cases on which they assisted can be found on their website. it is why in extreme instances they collaborate with the AG office, which DOES have the power to prosecute criminal cases and why we worked so hard to tie in the lack of veterinary care and show how it worked to perpetuate the fraud.
Make no doubt about it, there are going to be charges laid at her doorstep–but although it may be used to give her time in jail or prison, we aren’t counting on it because in the past it hasn’t gone that far.
The ‘somebody might shoot me’ burns my chaps. You can’t take her seriously about anything as she fabricates everything. It’s projection that she picks all the things she says people hate her for and me for one and I’m sure many others could care less about the things she lists. I’m certain people hate her actions of killing horses and other animals and scamming people. She fails to mention the two biggest things that she is known for by her own actions. No one else’s. She needs to take a reality pill as she is definitely living in an altered state of reality.
All will probably depend on the charges brought (and I pray there will be) and if it is a Civil or Criminal action. Whatever charges will be on her record. She may be ordered to make restitution (blood out of a turnip), lose her non-profit status and put on Probation. I would hope for a long Probation period where she will be monitored and required to report.
In my dreams of dreams she would be ordered not to own or have any animal under her care and control, but I realize that’s probably not going to happen. I will settle for running hr out of the horse industry on the end of my boot. That is already happening. GTFO Manson.
It looks like her handling of the Linus issue was the final nail in the coffin
What’s happening?
Yes RRR, Please spill! I haven’t had time to browse HC’s website lately.
She won’t get charged for that sadly.
It’s nothing too dramatic but, I’ve seen a couple of posts from supporters, who coughed up for Linus, saying that they are done and can no longer support a place that deceives like that.
Maybe they’d been hearing some of the stories and figured they were just gossip or whatever but, the Linus situation was such obvious manipulation and cover up that they could actually see it for themselves.
Everybody has their lightnbulb moment with them it seems.
Thank goodness!
Sermon on the mattress? Perfect. 😂😂
RRR
Spill it. Do you mean final nail in the coffin as donations are barely trickling in or something more concrete?
Barely any funds, only 95.00 on Facebook no more on the betterunite
I’m not sad to see funds not coming in. As long as they have funds, they can continue the scam. The funds stop, so do they. The horses will not starve. They will be taken care of. The SDHS is watching and has offered help. M just needs to accept it.
Following (again) I don’t understand why WordPress sometimes undoes the notify me of new comments check mark?
Don’t forget other Reputible rescues are still going to auction! Mike’s is tonight and I see FHR and LTH have posts up.
What Michelle needs is atonement for her sins. A nice long walk down the ranch road and straight to a prison cell, someone following her, ringing the shame bell… I’d say strip her down but no one needs to see that.
Shame, shame, shame.
LOL!!!!!!
We saw enough in that picture on this post
What’s the deal with the people directly responsible for this organization?
Excuses are not accepted here
Lies are not believed here
Too late to try to hide now
The truth has been reported
I have a q for you legal wise people. If M is avoiding any official contact, certified mail, site visits, verbal directives, how come the Fire Marshall or anyone else trying to communicate with M and getting dissed doesn’t just send the correspondence thru Mr. Fancy Socks? He can’t avoid communication right?
Thanks for the very interesting legal updates!
Legal folks – Hypothetical scenario. Romney. Robyn. Perhaps others as well. What are the chances that some of those who have been the most instrumental in perpetuating this fraud turn on each other? The thing where the AG offers much better deals to those who dime out the others. It might even be Michelle turning on the other two, as from here it looks as if she has the most to lose with things as they are.
I suspect that if someone told the whole truth about Romney’s role, she would fall just as hard as Michelle. I don’t think Michelle thought all of this up by herself, nor did she know how to execute it without help – a lot of help. Romney may believe that she’s not so vulnerable because she has kept her distance from the operation, but hopefully that is not the case.
And possibly Robyn knows as much or more as anyone about the true intent and methods of what actually goes on day-to-day. I have a feeling that there have been times when Michelle was at her most dysfunctional that Robyn kept the wheels on, re the ongoing scam.
Just curious if a wider net might help out a bit.
I would suspect that Romney Faye is going to be going down with Manson and there is almost no question Wrinkles will be as well. Manson has been setting her up for the fall for awhile with the fundraisers being under her name. Putting her name on the horses that are taken in to the vet hospital etc. I would say there 100% chance Manson will pull as many down with her as possible. That’s just how she rolls.
One would hope those two, at least, would be held responsible also. If the AG chose to, he could go after a lot of people like their present and past BOD. I think a couple of them realized that. It is a governing board that was doing no oversight or governing.
Let’s hope Angrid with her legal consulting isn’t forgotten.
Nope, not at all. 😉
And I will apologize for my continuing extreme pessimism regarding truly stopping Michelle from her horse-hoarding behavior. It isn’t necessary to be a 501c3 to ask people to give gifts of money. People do it all of the time for various causes.
I would bet that 2 to 5 years from now, regardless of the legal status of the AG’s HiCaliber case, Michelle and Robyn are still at it, under a different name. Romney will be in it only if there is income coming her way. Lots of horses, lots of money, still hazardous to the equines in the area that have no one defending them.
Real intervention power does go back to the animal welfare laws, in the end. So much work to be done.
Manson is like herpes and probably will never go away completely, but we’re doing our best to neutralize her and as long as she’s going to operate in SoCal, she’s not going to get away with much because she is not wanted in the horse community and people will rat her out.
I do agree that the existing laws being enforced would go a very long way towards ending this mess and they need to be even stronger. I wish all the bean flickers on Facebook would put their energies towards something productive like that rather than their daily flame wars. I seriously question why they are so invested in this situation as it doesn’t appear to be about horses for many of them on both sides.
My guess is that those players within the organization involved on the BOD and who lived on the ranch that gained any financial compensation (including free housing) from the illegal fundraising; will be the most vulnerable to AG, IRS and FBI investigations. The key will likely be gained financially in cash or kind.
Hopefully, additional investigation into those key horse ‘traders’ supplying horses will also be looked into by the appropriate agencies. That includes any wrong doing by the Ontario auction house.
That’s really the people side of the financial fraud that has been perpetrated on the general public. The horses and horse care of lack there of is a whole separate issue. One that has caused much emotion expressed by many of us here. Do not think for a minute that many of us have not helped the horses in numerous ways. Adoptions, rescue transfers, auction intercepts, funding other groups are just a few ways.
Kudos to the all the people standing for the horses! Keep reporting and thank you Shedrow!
One of the less amusing things regarding all of this are the requests from authorities to bring things to their attention. One would “ass”ume that they would be perfectly capable of finding things out on their own, and some things they do–but they are not online 24/7 as are many of us across the nation and beyond to catch things that are not in our own time zones. (Unless you’re Shed and I, we have a tendency to be up all night one night, all day on another, 4:30 am on another night LOL. I’ve not been able to do a lot of that with my recent experiences, but it needs to be happening again if I can ever get the pain under control.)
When it comes to your pessimism regarding stopping M’s horse hoarding behavior, there is nothing that the authorities will do that will stop her from owning horses. I would fall over if we managed to achieve it. However, the one thing I will 100% guarantee that the AG office will ask many of us to send in any signs of what looks like fundraising, solicitations for money even as a private citizen or from anyone around her. That’s a given and it has happened every single time–the requests to stay aware of she and her actions and that of her minions, even as an individual who no longer has a 501c3.
How could they ever top the grinning macabre scene with the dead body of Johnny Cade? That was their zenith. That rat pack will never match that scam or find enough idiots to slobber in their direction.
One can hope.
Observation. Did anyone else notice the recent post of the recently adopted out horses of how filled out they look compared to horses in the past still being underfed looking? The SDHS oversight must be causing the scammers to feed more hay,
Toes are still long although their excuse will be they need funds for that and the almost $40K they have raised in the last 2 months wasn’t enough for toes. Insert sarcasm. The almost $40K is only what can be seen on fb thru the fb fundraisers and the betterunite fundraisers and doesn’t include any other form of donations which with HC are numerous.
Now M, just get the last remaining horses moved out to any and all good homes and close. If you can’t do that, turn the horses over to the SDHS so they can get the horses care and rehomed. Just close already. No one cares to support you and the barnacles.
Was thinking the same thing about their condition. Maybe having a lot less horses helps too. Go figure, right 🙂
Maybe that’s the reason they have had to raise so much for hay lately.
I’m sure they need to have enough hay to move to the new place with Amanduh and all the HiCaliber horses being dumped that direction. Oops, I mean `adopted’.
Speaking of Amanduh, shouldn’t she and her clingons have moved already?
I saw somewhere that it looks like the move date has been pushed back to 8/1
Wasn’t that their grand opening?
Surely you know by now that all things are fluid with that bunch
I think so, but not 100% sure. Not sure the property is out or escrow yet.
Oh goshy darn. Imagine escrow taking longer than planned especially if someone that is more than likely having problems proving income for the last two years at least to the loan officer. Oh my, real adult problems with no fundraising opportunity to bail them out so to speak. I wonder if they will completely fall out of escrow. I wonder what plan B is?
The person backing them probably has no problem getting financed. I wish I could say she came to her senses but I don’t think that’s the case. The koolaid is strong.
Haha🤣🤣. I was just thinking “Imagjne that, Escrow has been extended 🤣🤣
I’m sure it is just the result of dumping hay on them and not a thoughtful feed program. Their past broad brush approach leaves me less than inspired. And makes me wonder how many of those horses are close to colic or laminitis.
AG
No, I didn’t see a post made by HiC on recently adopted out horses. Where was this?
Could it be the remaining horses look well fed because there are 60% less horses? So a lot less competition for hay? Their older or special needs horses have rarely looked good. I guess they don’t get enough senior type feed fed several times a day or soaked senior type mush feedings either?
They have never figured out how to follow the UC Davis refeeding program. Which btw, can be soaked alfalfa pellets or cubes rather than hay for senior or really debilitated horses. It’s not complicated or cheap but it does take some dedication. Dedication is something money can’t buy.
RIP Linus.
Yes, less horses does equal easier management and less competition for food. It was just so apparently different with this last bunch that was posted on HC’s fb page as recently being adopted out. I don’t think they do anything except toss hay for the feed. They let the donated grain go to waste which was yet another wasted donation by good hearted people. I guess if you don’t have to work for it or it doesn’t come out of their own pocket, it’s trivial. So many rescues would have been over joyed and grateful to have such a generous donation, but not the scammers.
The photos from Salvador’s pens make it hard to understand why he isn’t in the target sights as well. Nothing to do with HiCaliber, just his own miserable operation. What a lot of very skinny horses! Crowded pens, and disrepair that can cause injury to the animals.
I have recently learned that, locally at least, law enforcement / animal control can’t use investigative photos taken on the property itself. Don’t know if that’s the case in Salvador’s realm. I’m not sure why (put that on the list of legal things to work on).
HiCaliber and Salvador’s place have something in common – the horses are clearly not treated equally. It’s weird to see – some are sleek and well-fed, others are scrawny and scraggly. I find this confuses visitors who don’t understand what is happening. They think something is wrong with the scraggly animals, not the caretaking.
Salvador’s pens are well hidden from the road. He has a privacy screen up and you have to bushwhack through a field to get on any other side of him. He has horses that appear well cared for an a barn, but the `HiCaliber’ and tripping horses are hidden pretty well. You also have to realize how many people that do that sort of thing live around him. There is as bad or worse everywhere. If an AC officer wanted to go nuts and bust a lot of this crap, they wouldn’t have to look too hard. The problem is many AC officers don’t have a clue about horses (Manson being a prime example), and they don’t want to seize a bunch of horses because they have neither the facilities or man power to take care of them. Large animals are expensive to rehab. Then you have the whole issue of the perception that just because horses are large that they don’t have the same feelings or suffer like something small and cute. Part of HiCaliber’s mission statement was to educate people and Manson has made noises about trying to do that They had a massive platform where they really could have done a lot of good and educated people but they chose to lie and bend the truth to line their pockets. That was heinous and she is only just starting to feel the sting from karma taking a large chunk out of her ass.
I am glad that you pointed out the huge platform they had to educate. They really did but they also lacked the knowledge to educate. That is what makes me so upset when other rescues that can and do use their platforms to educate get slammed by the people that are for the drama not the horses. In regards to the horse tripping “shows” for the lack of a better word. Word is that they are armed for anything. I imagine that it would take AC and a SWAT team to infiltrate their shows. It will take a lot of proof to get law enforcement onto the properties for the poor horses. With due diligence it can happen.
I don’t think it would take much at all. They have posters up for each event and some are quite local to Salvador. Just turn up, take pictures and get busy. Most of these assholes have videos and pics all over their social media of tripping. They’re proud of it.
In order for M to be able to educate people on horses, she must get some real education first. I have seen her do some incredibly stupid things with horses and heard really stupid stuff straight from her uneducated lie hole. It might sound good to the people that aren’t around horses, but anyone with any horse knowledge knows she is talking out her ass. Remember the tape around the barrel to get the weight? That is basic, basic stuff.
and the horses are the ones who pay the price for their ignorance. Multiple returns because they are not advertised correctly, illnesses that have been treated with antibiotics that shouldn’t have been, incorrect information on how to handle them..and then many get shot after they are returned through no fault of their own.
Yes, but I believe that there were some real diamonds in the rough there to adopt because what Manson considers `behavioral’ or `she just doesn’t want to be ridden anymore’ often means a horse well above her skill set that absolutely can be a pretty awesome horse if a person knows what they’re doing.
Exactly. And if she markets them to people who don’t, using her own lack of skillset (sort of like her veterinary skills) then the horses lose that chance and frequently end up dead.
Hopefully not in this case. She markets them as pasture puff so that’s what people that take them are expecting. The fact that many are able to be ridden and made far more comfortable is the bonus. I know for a fact she rarely follows up on adopted horses so hard to say what fate meets most of them.
It is also why she ran off most of the people on her board or volunteering that were too knowledgeable.
True about M running off anyone with a lick of common horse sense and knowledge. I wonder where she is keeping her scrubs and stethoscopes these days?
My Grandpa had many sayings. One of them was ‘If you’re the smartest person in the room, then you’re in the wrong room.
In other words, we all have things to learn and we should seek to learn always.
I think she outgrew those scrubs a long time ago and I’m sure her stethoscope isn’t far. I highly doubt she slowed down on her veterinary procedures at all actually. She just doesn’t put them on live feed since the CVMB came down o her.
Your Grandpa was wise. It’s impossible to teach something to the person that knows it all, so it’s not even worth trying
I love that saying
That saying is so very true!
Seems the scraggly ones are used for tripping so they are of no concern to him and the rest of his band of abusive a holes.
It’s not so much scraggly ones but flighty ones and yes, smaller ones. They need those horses to run so OTTBs and Arabians are usually perfect as are young and unhandled ones.
That is extremely sad.
Happy world emoji day everyone! Yes that’s right. That sure is one special day each year. I read there are 70 new emoji characters to be released later this year! Goody gum drops!
More importantly, Isnt it nice to wake up on a Tuesday and not dread what sad horses those lying scammers associated with HiKill might be dragging home? Progress people. Progress.
I still do dread it. Tuesday has become skinny/mangled pick up day with them.
Amanduh was just on trail with three others. They suck at math as well as many other things. She made the statement that it costs $7/day to feed a horse at HC. Uh, nope. It costs average of $100 maybe a bit more each month for hay per horse and I know the horses aren’t getting grain except maybe their personal horses.
Can any of them do a Live without bashing anyone or any rescues? They are closing because they got caught frauding people and killing horses needlessly and people that care took a stand. Get over yourselves HC. They annoy me. Close already.
Just saw a video is up but haven’t watched it. Sounds like the same sh*t different day. Maybe I will try later. Listening to Amanda talk at all is like nails on a chalkboard.
She is cloning her leader. Ewe. Just eww. Be yourself.
Herself is pretty repugnant as well.
I’m sure the video was up to distract the village idiots from the fact it’s Tuesday and Manson was probably out picking up even more horses.
Got a stick to bite down on and watched the video. Once again, MiniMichelle narrating. Can any of them just talk in a normal voice?? I will be trying to search my notes to see what needs HiCaliber has fulfilled. Guess I should have started earlier.
I am trying to frame things in a positive manner lately so I feel that HiCaliber did provide a service in the SoCal rescue community. Because of them any other rescue looks pretty fucking stellar in comparison.
Nothing posted yet so maybe, just maybe, M has enough sense not to be dragging in any more horses!!!
Does a cow bark?
I wish, but remember there wer at least 2 more when they bought Linus 😞
Don’t count on it.
I was extremely irritated by the size of a few of those riders compared to he horses as well as the fact that two of those horses were lame. She even admitted they were yet there they were on a trail ride. Who does that?
Assholes!
Her mentor?
What the name of her horse ‘training’ business, this week? Has she actually ‘trained’ any horses for $$$?
I guess if you count her free rent, board and cherry picking of the rescue horses, that would be considered training for $$$. At least I’m sure the AG will see it that way 😉
Just like HC pays her to haul horses, I’m sure the rescue pays her to “train” horses and provide “medical care”.
Cows riding horses …….just saying.
It is against 501(c)3 rules to benefit financially or in any other way from the non profit so if M getting paid to haul HC horses, well that is another count of fraud. They absolutely dint get the non profit piece.
Oh, and if she did get paid to haul HC horses or any other horses, I sure hope she claimed that on her personal taxes as the IRS doesn’t like to be left out in any way. That is called tax evasion.
There is her loop hole, not paid to haul but paid for the use of her trailer after Bang Bang Becky left. The same trailer that I’m sure Richie Price wrote off as a charitable donation but remains in Manson’s name.
HC truck/trailer also has no name/city/state printed on both sides of truck, DOT #, or MC#….which are all required for anyone hauling for any amount of compensation…per federal law/FMCSA
The truck was never HiCaliber. That was always Manson’s. She didn’t mange to get anybody to donate a truck even though she tried. She came very close but her big fat mouth blew that one out of the water so no new truck for her.
She also should be declaring that as income and paying taxes on it, too–as well as every other person whom she paid to transport. That is one of the reasons entities such as the California tax Board are involved, and it extends beyond Manson, whether or not they have been hauled in and asked about it yet.
new hay-beg fundraiser up for $11K & “in feed and shavings alone, we are using $3300/month”…what the?
Thanks exactly what I thought. WTH? $3,300/month for feed and shavings? Not hay mind you. For whose ‘feed’ exactly is that? Human?
Well at least that is going down. Don’t really get why they don’t just let SDHS take over like they said they would.
What would happen to all the personally owned horses? 20? If SDHS takes over care does ownership become relinquished?
I know those horses were being illegally cared for using donor money. I do not understand how people without good paying jobs or reliable sources of income, think they can support horses? Especially multiple horses in boarding situations. From my observation, I do not think that usually ends well for the horses once reality of paying monthly costs sets in. Not even considering any unexpected Vet bills.
That same goes for horse rescues. That is why responsible rescues know their limits; financially, facility and labor wise.
Something HC should have noted to begin with.
Sixdegrees
That is a great question and I’m sure all of the donor funds collected are going to be supporting the personal horses for quite sometime.You can’t help what hoarders might do and it reality might sink in that most people with jobs don’t have that many horses for a reason and I don’t know anyone without an income with even one horse let alone 10+. The faux rescue CEO might have to get real and rehome horses. M’s sense of entitlement is off the charts. I hope she is arrested soon. This shit show is old and the scamming continues. The sooner the funds don’t come in, the sooner the shit show ends.
That seems like it would make the most sense.
How many “rescue” horses are left? Someone asked and got an answer at least. HiCal, whoever was doing the replies, said 50. Is that all the horses on property, rescues plus privately owned?
I would say that’s probably rescue horses.
The comments on the posts have dropped substantially. Has the village woke up? Or have they finally drained them dry?
I noticed that too. I still see a couple staunch supporters throwing their retirement money away. Maybe the others are finally starting to do some simple math on a legal pad trying to figure this stuff out and trying to figure out which story, if any, is true!
Manson needs helpers new internet venture. Only Village Sheeple need apply.
I’m looking for a few ladies to help me with a project I’m working on 😇
If you’re internet savvy, and have a few moments of time on your hands – private message me please: Michelle Knuttila on FB 💌
I’m not sure the response I’ll get so please be patient if I don’t reply. For my safety and privacy, I’ll be working only those with a proven positive history with HCHR. No offense to new comers, I swear! I’m just a little more careful these days. 💙
Anyone wanna go live today? I miss you guys! 🌸
-Michelle
Perhaps she is looking for new people to post and scam the public. Who knows. It is very telling that most of the followup comments are they don’t know how to pm, use their phone or are not around.
Yep, women supporting women is great, but when women support financially one scammer of woman, it is disgusting. When one scammer of a women takes advantage of other women that is also disgusting. When one scammer of a woman kills horses because ‘she can’, that is the apex of disgusting,
Safety? LOL!!!
Is she setting up a website for her crusty underwear? Is she going to pull an Orange Is The New Black and recruit the village to send in their stanky panties too? So many questions!
I think someone needs to get out to HC and flush out whoever is hiding in the bushes over there infringing on her privacy and threatening her safety! Hope someone doesn’t steal more receipts!
What about the bag of hair? Over a year later and still waiting for the DNA on the NotOTTB20!
Oh, that’s right, the bag of hair!! I guess that culprit was never apprehended. I hope a report was filed and is in with the stolen receipts one!!
Somebody broke into my house, left my jewelry, my wallet, valuables and just took my receipts I had in the bottom of my purse. Must be a band of receipt thieves. Maybe there is some super voodoo ritual they do with old scrunched receipts?
Pretend that I put up some sort of laughing hysterically gif right here.
wish one of the SD media had gotten statement from VC Police stating they had zero reports from her of any threats to her safety
I’m back! Did you miss me? I missed you!
I’ve been busy as a beaver! Attempting to bully decent people and good groups! It’s hard being me. That’s for sure.
Oh; just so you know; whenever I write or say things like ‘all the money I receive is being donated to charity.’ What that really means is ‘all the money is going straight in my/our pockets’. Since I’m a super generous person, I share with my main squeeze. See?
I even have gained a reputation of going to charity fundraising events, bidding on silent auction items then not paying the donations due. Imagine that!?! Yes; that’s true. I’m super generous in my own imagination. That’s what counts!
Have a super weekend everybody!!
Margaretdamit
OMG LOL!!!
Oh, Shedrow. Do you mock me? Why, oh why, might that be? I am such a lovely, genuine, educated, honest, generous, well mannered lady. Yes, a real classy l-a-d-y. And don’t you forget it!
Plus, I am super smart at figuring out who the not you’s are, that I ‘think’ are you. Oh; don’t flatter yourself either Shedrow because Ms. Super smarty pants, (me) has also determined who I think some other commenters on here are not; too. So, don’t think you are special (like me) or anything. K?
Peace out
Margaretdamit
That’s a big reason I know what a blowhard you are, Margie. I can easily see who is commenting and know for a fact you lie. Just like you lie about me,. Kinda silly to bluff when the other person is actually holding all the cards 😉
Mags did you miss me? Even though you think I’m you talking to me, and we are someone else entirely. Talk about misguided 😳I even changed my name to throw you off. I took off that disgusting picture that wasn’t someone else either and the nicknames were not appreciated even though I thought they were quite clever, the Wookies, rectum faces discharging fecal matter at a rapid rate, and then being appalled to be presented in such a light. Some people just can’t take a joke.
I still love ❤️ you Miss Maggie even with all your flaws, just remember I am still not you and you are not the pale horse or a hamburger 🍔
Dear Getajob
Not sure if your screen name is directed at me? I have a job. A very important job. I am an award winning journalist. Of the highest caliber. So there!
Truth is I donated every last red cent of my award money directly to my lover’s faux non profit that doesn’t really help any horses. So there you go, Ms Hamburger Head, I line my own pockets and honestly do not give a flying f about
helping any horses. It’s all about my teeny tiny ego being butt hurt. I need attention, dagnabit!
Hope your weekend is full of sparkly things that go bump in the night
Margaretdamit
OMG Maggie did Lionel write the song LADY about you, I love that song, https://youtu.be/Gz1jrlX27kE ,was he your boyfriend? 🎼🎼🎼🎼L A D Y 🎼🎼🎼now I have that tune in my head.
I didn’t think you needed a job, i know you are a fancy journalist and a plus size smarty yoga pant. I thought that the HiKillKrew of Merry Grifters might need direction and there is nothing wrong with an honest days work at Mickie Dees flipping burgers. Do you like Hamburgers or do you prefer cat food?
Oh and I am still not you talking to myself or am I a diluted palomino or a cheeseburger 🍔.
Ms. Hamburger Head
Of course I love a good juicy charbroiled burger 🍔. Hamburgers are like Lays potatoe chips, you can’t eat just one. That’s how I keep my area code size tent dresses from wrinkling. You know Red Robin, all the sides you can eat for free? Love that place. Yummy.
I still think you, Ms Hamburger Head, are ‘we’ and not really you. Same with Shedrow. Cause I’m too smart for my yoga pants and like mumbling to myself about nonsense.
Cocktails anyone?
Margaretdamit
Yes, Shedrow I have been saying that I don’t talk to myself or my not self (on here). Thank you for the confirmation! I think? Geez, Louise people; really need to get a grip.
XXXXXXO
Margaretdamit
Your tent dresses? I heard there was a whole city in there.
It’s THREE times a lady. Not a lady. Thank you very much.
Margaretdamit
Holy shit. I don’t usually watch the lives, to long and really painful, but I did just watch the one tonight. The beginning reminded me of a SNL skit and then it morphed into a hilarious Christopher Guest movie. I wish they would do a Best in Show type movie depicting this shit. You just can’t make it up.
I think her kid called it just right when she said M looked like a drag queen. Why can’t she put her make up on at home and WTF with the gobs of it?
Have no idea why she always does make up in the car. At least she wasn’t driving this time. Sorry, when I was her daughter’s age, I had no idea what a drag queen was and if I had ever said that to my mother, my face would be stinging into tomorrow.
I wouldn’t have had to say that to my mother for starters. I see the GSD puppy she drug home from auction a couple of months ago has magically become a service dog Nice to see she’s still scamming. The villagers should ask her what happened to her last German Shepherd.
Who says the comments about getting a lesbian hair cut etc. in front of their minor child or even if she was an adult? Talk about name calling. M is the biggest hypocrite out there.
She thanked her followers for staying off fb. Isn’t that how she continues to scam them and draw the weak ones in? And going on and on about how she will continue the LIVES when HC is done because she misses the connection or whatever self serving statement that was. She needs an audience and the adoration from these people that haven’t caught on that they are being used to fund her and her barnacles.
Also, when talking about what’s in her future, she sure knows what she’s going to be doing or else she’d be freaked right out as Sep 15 is right around the corner. All of these fundraisers on the heels of fundraisers are probably stacking up nicely.
I caught the deception again when she was speaking of her future. She has something going and almost said as much, but then held back. She is easier to read than a picture book.
Yes, the ‘service dog’ stunt pissed me off. So many people are abusing this.
And the sharpies again. OMG, she really fancies herself as a visionary. I wonder how helpful that will be in prison?
I really hope the AG yanks her non profit status because she I’ll continue to scam under the guise of a non profit as long as she can. I don’t get the staying open to be able to handle any adoption returns, isn’t she the one begging for finds almost daily to feed the horses at the supposed rescue? If you can’t feed the horses, One would think she’d be rehoming 100% of them. She makes no sense.
Coincidentally, she keeps saying the horses need feed, vet, farrier and every pic of every adopted horse out of their all need farrier work asap, so I guess what they need is not what they are getting, but it sounds good. I’m certain every horse needs a vet check and dental as well as soon as they get to their new home. So, where are all of these funds going? She said $25K/mo to run the ranch. Whoa nelly, you mean to run the ranch and feed and care for all of the barnacles too? Ridiculous, The rich uncle comment at the end was repulsive. Close already.
Shedrow any intel into the lastest ask for help with a ‘special project’ relating to the tech or the Internet? ‘Needs to be long time HiC supporters’? I wonder if she wants to use other people’s email addresses to set up PayPal type accounts to filter donations through or something like that? If so; I certainly hope no one is stupid enough to fall for that. Oh; wait…?
She is acting like she needs a place to move to and is looking for ideas. Here’s an idea. Don’t suggest any property for her. Why would anyone want to rent to someone with a history of eviction, BK and that trashes a property like no other? Not to mention every thing else. Drama and unsavory reputation! Um no, thank you. There’s not enough landlord liability insurance in the world to cover that train wreak potential tenant.
Then there is a service dog vest on her most recent dog acquisition? Hello? This might be where her next big grift scheme is heading? Hmmm…
Shedrow any ideas if the house keeper and interior designer are still on staff? She should of hired a wardrobe consultant while she was at it. Off with the stinky old Uggs and tight yoga pants look. That’s so 2013. Obviously, the make up artist has left the building.
Umm…but she’s an artist? WTF with that. Insult to people who truly are.
She’s a con artist if that counts, but you’re right. Don’t insult true artists. Kind of like she says she’s a horse trainer. Uh, not even close. A horse killer yes, but not a horse trainer that I can see.
Yes, please everyone, find her a new place. Sorry, no rich uncle here to bail you out. She wants to find something smaller? She wants to be able to buy a place. With what?! Hoping for some sucker to fund all that, I am sure. Anyone who got financially involved with that group is a damn fool. She still wants to be able to help with euthanasias and orphans. We have all seen how well that works out. Maybe she will stay in bed with Misner and Salvador. Hope she doesn’t find anything at all. How nice she, Robyn and Cammie want to stay together. What is going to happen to them and all their horses if they have no place to go? Maybe Amanda will give them a break at her place. I heard her catch herself too. Her wheels have been turning overtime, I am sure. She can’t understand the moral exclusion. That made me laugh coming from someone that has no morals. Waiting to see what fundraiser is next.
I love how on the latest live she basically admitted no one on that place has held a real job! They’ve dedicated all of their time to the rescue over the past few years and thus don’t have a work history to use for a mortgage or lease.
Its amazing to me that she’s basically sitting back and asking her village to find her and her friends a place to go! She got very, very lucky to have been set up in Valley Center at the their current ranch. Also back then she had tons of supporters and wasn’t under investigation like she is now. Her reputation in that area is shot.. the only way I see it happening is if the lease (because she sure can’t buy) is put in someone else’s name. I halfway expected her to try and move with Amanda & company. September 15th is less than 60 days away.. she and her crayons are quickly running out of time. IF she actually moves when the lease ends and doesn’t force the ranch owner to evict her.
I’m pretty sure it will be in somebdoy else’s name unless she can find a mark to buy a place for her. They’d have to be stupid to do that considering Michelle won’t be anywhere near rescue or non-profit very soon.
I hope she’s near Las Colinas, as in so near, she’s inside.
I thought they had a place in escrow already?
Amanduh and her backer does. Yes.
So Amanduh is leaving cult to start her own sick cult? She leaving her leader in the dust? Horse Trainer my ass! Horse abuser and horse killer is a more appropriate title for her. Please tell me her name is mud also.
Yup it is and will continue to be
Thank goodness
now post claims ‘the team has given up their own homes, security, finances and jobs to take care of HC’s animals”. What jobs or finances? They live ofd donor money. And all they do is beg others to feed/water/muck.
Such huge sacrifices. Living rent free in a million dollar home, getting ten (?) horses completely paid for and driving a BMW. All using other people’s money.
Cleaver; if it wasn’t done illegally.
Way more than ten horses.
she posted 6 more horses, looks like Salvador’s again? Claiming she doesn’t know who to call. Yes she does, but she won’t call SDHS on them. Gotta find a VI to buy them & their 30+ animals a large-acre ranch first.
Nope, not all at his place.
Just saw that. Doesn’t know who to call? Whatever. Don’t want to rat out one of your regular suppliers is more like it. Why shoot yourselves in your foot?
So far after three hours the grift of the day, has netted zero donations. The some VI seem to be asking a few questions. Oh no!
Wonder why none of the VI noticed the photo of three horses drinking green water used for the other days grift was from an AQHA article. Not at HiC or any HiC horses. Horses first; except for at HiC.
I wonder why they need to keep stealing pics of healthy looking horses?
That same photo is on a few memes and a vet clinic site as well. Obviously a stock image. You would think they have more than enough horses of their own to use for posts?
The `team’ has also spent the last few years living like rock stars on donations meant for the horses. Party is over.
The ‘we are keeping our nonprofit status for the sake of our adopted horses’, is truly laughable. Coming back to the ranch pretty much meant a bullet to the head. Yeah; good luck with that.
Who honestly believes this stuff still?
THe few remaining village idiots still believe her. I would think her contractual obligation would start with following up on adopted out horses be we know for a fact that never happens.
Shedrow
Yes, seems like they have new people posting their posts for them? I don’t even recognize the new names. I guess all the grifting is time consuming work, so they need help with FB posts? New help because the recent crew was used until abused then discarded. AKA getting the boot 👢
Used, abused and scapegoated in some cases.
she’ll prob wait 2-3 weeks til they’re more starved so they’ll make more money off their suffering, like she did w/ Linus. They claim owners ask HC for ‘assistance’….for what? They want money, that’s all….just like Manson.
Someone please define ‘contractual obligation for the adopted horses’ please. We’re talking about someone that has no job, no income, no place to call home after Sep 15 and she is going with the contractual obligation bs? How stupid do they think ppl are? You can’t close and keep the 501(c)3 status. She just wants to hold onto it to be able to grift. I hope the AG yanks her status soon and she has a home in jail. Consequences for her illegal actions.
Yeah. I guess contractural obligation equals a bullet to the head?
Don’t they have a pending court date for unpaid reimbursement of foster horse care expenses? Coming up in a few weeks?
There is no court in the world that would enforce the not so solid adoption contract especially when so many investigations including fraud and killing horses is ongoing. Hopefully actionable soon. Not to mention, HC can’t even feed themselves without grifting let alone their own horses.
Not to mention she doesn’t have the money to take anybody to court anyhow.
AG
To clarify I meant that I think HiC is being sued by a former foster home for unpaid expenses incurred that were supposed to be paid by HiC and never were. Or something like that?
Read about it on a previous blog post here in the comments. Small Claims Court? Coming up soon.
Yes, the paperwork has been up on the court website for a while now.
6 degrees, yes I had heard about the foster and I sure hope they prevail. I have a feeling M won’t show up and won’t pay up either as she has a history of defaulting on debts. I’m not sure the date, but you are correct, it is soon.
Yes. That is if Manson bothers to show up at all.
Yes, they all need jobs, but drat & dang any employer who does a true background check on them, including an internet search, is not likely to want them on the payroll. So, I guess the village will just have to keep supporting them. The village seems to fall for that kind of logic.
So by some tallies they have raised about $40k in the last few weeks. Without a resource-intensive, time-wasting trip to Louisiana, without bringing in dozens of new horses. Without a single limping horse on the screen (I don’t think). It is all about being in debt? Hay alone wasn’t enough, but being “behind” on their bills opened the villager’s wallets? Not sure I’ve completely clued in to this.
There is no way that Michelle is ever going to do anything else for a living. This is way, way, way too good to exchange for an hourly wage or even a salary, and a boss to tell her what to do. Earning her lifestyle illegally will slow her down like the county restriction of only 3 horses for that property slowed her down.
And her dog got to go see a school play with the family. Talk about being “that” mom, she walks in to her kid’s play late, and WITH A DOG. Is this a common type of thing in southern California, or are the school and the other parents counting the days until they move out of town?
The service dog thing may also be a tactic to help force potential future landlords to accept the dog even if they have a no-pets policy. She mentioned somewhere that their dogs were part of the reason they can’t find a place to go – but now it’s a service dog, so there.
She is as legit as crayons made in China.
That thought crossed my mind as well. She’s already done her level best to fuck up horse rescue so why not do the same to the service dog industry?
There are rules around service dogs and they can be asked to leave. We have gone through the process of receiving a service dog and spent over a year of training with an official trainer to receive the real certifications. It is a very expensive process. In California you can not ask:
To see the dogs certification or papers
What is your disability?
You can ask:
What the dog is trained to do?
What is the dog trained to help you with?
There is a difference between a service dog and an emotional support dog (ESD) and where they are allowed to accompany their person. A service dog is basically welcome anywhere the person goes while the ESD is not. They should not be granted access to restaurants or anyplace that has a “no dogs” policy.
Even a certified and trained service dog can be asked to leave if it smells bad, is dirty, flea infested or behaves badly. In a restaurant a service dog should be under the table and never on a seat. It is a food & safety health violation for starters. There are also the allergies of other patrons who are currently around you and who may sit at the table following you.
I reported a “service dog” at a grocery store because it was sniffing people, nosing produce and any item it could pull his owner close to.
Most businesses don’t know what they officially can and can’t do so they’ve given up when it comes to the service dog issue.
I don’t know why it bothers me that anyone claiming to have a service dog can not be asked for a card certification. I have had plain clothed Cops ask me for my disability card for parking in a hand cap spot. (it was my mom’s and she was always with me.) I don’t see what the difference is and why they can not provide a card. It is always those that take advantage of the system that ruin it for those that truly need the system.
I too am over the top bothered by the fact that you cannot ask for a certification card. There are so many people that abuse that loophole. I’m willing to bet that 80% of the dogs seen in my area in grocery stores, restaurants, etc are emotional support dogs (if even that) and not service dogs. Just by watching the dogs behavior and lack of training, it is pretty dang obvious that it is not a service dog. Being able to ask for proof would put a stop the abuse once and for all.
I personally don’t have a problem with it. If people want to take their dogs with them everywhere they go I could really care less. It sure beats the home that leaves them in the backyard for their entire life.
I agree that a dog needs to get out and not just sit in a yard their whole lives. Why have a dog if you do that? But my problem is usually with the people that abuse the service dog laws with their untrained, misbehaved canines. They are willing to fake a disability and break rules just to take their dog into a place and seemingly don’t care how it acts. They ruin it for the people that actually do NEED a service dog. It causes people to look at the real deal sideways and silently judge whether or not they are legit. That’s unfair, but true. I’ve had multiple bad experiences with crappy owners that think they are above it all and entitled to take their dogs into places of business. Had they been real service dogs, these things would have never happened. Once in line at a Deli, a ladies purse pet kept growling and barking at the man behind her. He was doing nothing wrong, wasn’t threatening, he just wanted a sandwich. Another time in a grocery store, a young kid ran down the aisle to catch up with his Mom. He obviously didn’t know about strange dogs or how to behave around them, but as he ran past the young couple their dog got scared, turned quickly, and bit him. Then this was just disgusting. I was in the checkout line at the same grocery store and the person in front of me had his dog on a leash. As he was putting his groceries on the counter, the dog lifted his leg and pissed all over the candy rack. So yeah, not cool in my book.
Plus the fact that I work in a veterinary clinic and every other client is telling me how their chihuahua is a service dog. 🙄
Let’s not forget the folks who have dogs that would never hurt a fly and then someone is usually getting stitches. I’m not going to go off on a tangent in regards to those stupid FING retractable leashes either BUT I HATE THEM!!
Lol yes those are stupid.
It’s usually the most unmanageable, ill mannered little ones that are on them. I had one lady shielding her little angel from my big truck and it’s big tires. Why she walks her dog on a narrow lane, with an leash like that, in coyote country I’ll never know. Apparently it’s all my fault though.
Once I was at a wine walk and my medium size dog stuffed himself in between my legs and I turned around and there was three whippets surrounding him and the owner’s were 10ft away. I said “excuse me, handle your dogs.” “ oh they are nice.” As my poor dog was shaking so I said not so nicely “maybe your dogs are nice but you are rude as fuck.” They handled their dogs.
LOL!
Perfect!
😂 Hate those leashes too! Yeah, many a veterinary technician has been bitten by a dog that wouldn’t hurt a fly. 🙄 People forget that their animals are often intimidated/nervous at a vet clinic or even injured and that biting is the only way to protect themselves.
My dogs love going to the vet. LOL
That’s awesome! Those are my favorite kind of patients! 😁
Yes, they love it so much they pretty much destroy the office in their excitement. They don’t understand that the clinic cat is not `their’ cat so they try to play rough with him. They usually wrap their leashes around my legs and stand up with their paws on the counter and drool. Thankfully, my vet thinks they are funny.
😂
Your right none of those things are cool. I guess there’s not that much of this going on where I live. I don’t see them in the grocery stores here.
One of the reasons people abuse the vest on dogs is airfare. If you have a smaller dog, you have to give up a piece of carry on AND pay extra to have it under your seat. That’s kinda bullshit IMO, so it’s kinda asking for people to slap a vest on them to fly free. Mine doesn’t fit under a seat and I don’t bring them, so not really my issue, but still…
That is pretty ridiculous that they make people give up a piece of carry-on AND pay extra for the dog. One or the other would be sufficient in my opinion.
Most people are afraid to question any service dog these days. I’ve seen some pretty poorly behaved ones myself. I love dogs so I don’t really mind, but there’s always somebody that ruins it for others. Seems like Manson is going to be one of `those’ people.
From the ADA website:
Q17. Does the ADA require that service animals be certified as service animals?
A. No. Covered entities may not require documentation, such as proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal, as a condition for entry.
Additional ADA warning: There are individuals and organizations that sell service animal certification or registration documents online. These documents do not convey any rights under the ADA and the Department of Justice does not recognize them as proof that the dog is a service animal.
For people who have and rely on service dogs, it would be great if there was a centralized organization that monitored certifications and registrations so an owner could be asked to present it’s papers. There are certain basic standards a service dog should have to meet. Likewise, there are certain basic handling capabilities the owner should be able to demonstrate. The problem with every dog getting out of the backyard and going everywhere is with the people who own them. People are not responsible and taking their dog with them would only cause problems for others and the dog.
This! 👍❤
I agree!
Is it wrong that I really want to make an alt ‘Ima Scammer’ and ask them some q’s about job hunting, supporting themselves, possible jail time etc. you know all the things a responsible rescue organization would normally not be asked.
The Help Us Catch Up fundraiser is up to $6,452. Stupid people.
Plus a whooping $5 on yesterday’s help us find a new home grift post.
I’m guessing nobody is interested in a hand job from her then?
I don’t believe for one second that anybody calls M for “help” with their horses unless that person is one of her buddies and they are calling to let her know that HER skinny/abused horses that she ordered are in and she can come pick them up. There aren’t any non-english speaking people calling M for help. In fact, I’d go as far as to say that every word uttered from her lying lie hole is a fabrication. The denial of the VI’s is truly unlimited. M is pathological in her lying.
I don’t know why she even bothers with these blatant lies.
They they are still raising a significant amount of money with the ever present begging. I have no doubt that Manson will use her gift of grift until the bitter end.
I heard that Manson has become quite chummy with Margaret which would explain the shit that Margaret spews to insight her tent city to rally behind HiKill. It will be a good day when that blow hard gets her rather large ass handed to her. Icing on the cake will be when she is exposed for the vindictive lying bitch she is. Her time is coming as well, I am not sure that she is aware of it as yet. Opps did I let the cat out of the bag, funny on how those thing work, karma and all.
Oh and I am not a cheeseburger, or a horse of a different color.
She’s already been exposed more than she realizes.
Funny how those things work. My dog could connect the dots better than she can.
Maggot will ride this to the end too because she can never admit she is wrong. A lot of people are about to look extremely stupid in the immediate future. It reminds me that I should probably stock up on popcorn.
https://inewsource.org/2018/07/23/san-diego-horse-rescues
A couple of things about this article.
Everything HC has and is being investigated for is by their own doing. They got greedy and cruel and people noticed and took the time to speak up for the animals. If people didn’t speak up, HC would still be operationing full speed ahead and who knows how many horses would have been killed in addition to the extremely high number that M and company already killed needlessly in the name of rescue.
They would of never been approved for the permit of close to 100 horses ever. The property is not set up for ease of access in or out. Just another poor decision by M thinking rules to not apply to her. And not to be forgotten is that the zoning laws changed before M moved to that properyy as everyone knows, so yet another poor decision in her moving there with her plans of hoarding upwards of 200 or more horses before being forced to downsize and she still isn’t within the 3 horses that the property is allowed to have since did is not propert owner.
Emergency euthanasia is defined. M ought to read it as she has violated that numerous times. She has killed numerous horses without consulting a vet as well. Everyone knows this and if it was not brought to light, she’d still be doing it.
Animal cruelty is coming down the pipe for too.
Thanks to Shed especially and everyone who has taken the time to speak up, report and help inform the community so M can be stopped.
I literally get sick to my stomach when certain things come to light regarding the suffering of these animals, it’s not right and its down right disgusting that some people think it’s ok. It is not.
I hope they are charged soon. Lots like the money pipeline is drying up. Stop the money, they stop sooner.
There are still some die hard VI’s that are under the illusion that HC has the permit that they needed.
You can lead a VI to knowledge but, you can’t make it think.
Yes, the same Village idiots that donated the 20k towards that permit she never got and only put about 8k towards? I haven’t looked lately, but last time I checked their status HiCaliber was in arrears to the county as well. I wonder if that is one of those bills Michelle claims she won’t leave hanging.
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