One of the things we hear from the slaughterphiles the most is the screeching about how slaughter is going to give dignity and use to all these mysterious unwanted horses and how the rest of us, the antis, won’t step up and offer solutions. Never mind the fact that largest contributors to the `unwanted’ horse population seems to be slaughterphiles and that they certainly are not exempt from abusing and neglecting their horses *cough*dorothyrobertson*cough*. Other than kill and eat them, I have yet to see a single PSA offer any alternative solution or accept a shred of responsibility for the existing problems. By and large, they hate rescues unless said rescue supports slaughter. They think that if there will never be slaughter again, that all the unwanted, neglected, and starving horses should be dumped off on the lawns of anti-slaughter people. Obviously, not a realistic or viable solution, but they refuse to accept the inevitable or look at alternatives. When a viable alternative is presented, they work double-time trying to shoot it down, claiming a violation of their property rights and waving the confederate flag. Well, guess what? Somehow in our quest to address the problems that even PSAs agree on, we have managed to offend their delicate sensibilities once again.
News has come out recently that the HSUS if forming a “‘Responsible Horse Breeders Council”. Yeah, I know. If the HSUS is involved that automatically means it’s all kinds of evil and you must immediately put on your tinfoil beanie to prevent the constant bombardment of conspiracy theories from polluting your mind. Whatever. The goal of this council will be “to decrease the number of horses in the United States who are at risk of being neglected, abused, or slaughtered for human consumption.” I don’t know about you, but I can’t really see this as a bad thing. I see this as a some anti-slaughter people stepping up with solutions. They are trying to address over breeding of horses by having breeders voluntarily be added to their list. This means the breeder will take responsibility should that horse become homeless or at risk for being abused or sent to slaughter. Nobody is telling any horse owner/breeder they must sign up, it’s voluntary. You can read more about it here : http://www.thehorse.com/articles/31238/responsible-horse-breeders-council-formed. Is it going to fix everything? No, but it’s a start. Many of the larger Thoroughbred breeders already have a similar policy in place. It works. It makes you want to do business with them.
While I’m sure many of you agree that this idea for a breeder’s council is a pretty good one, you shouldn’t be surprised to know that it has bunched some panties with the PSAs. For your amusement and disgust, here is a selection of comments from the UH brain trust.
“If you’re a horse breeder, do you feel you should be responsible for the horses you sell from birth to death? HSUS thinks you should be. But remember…horses can live 30+ years. And how will this affect our rights to private property and animal ownership?”
– This comment is courtesy of Mindy `Puppymill’ Patterson. I would like to know how she thinks that anybody volunteering to be added to a list will affect HER rights to private property and animal ownership. If you don’t agree and want to carry on being an irresponsible dickhead, by all means, don’t sign up and continue contributing the problem.
“I have been a horse breeder for 30+ years. Of course we can’t be responsible for what others do with ‘our’ horses after they leave our premises!”
– Did I mention that PSAs have a huge problem with reading comprehension? Nobody is going to hold anybody `responsible’ for what somebody else has done. They are asking you to step up and do the right thing by animals you have bred and put out there. You could choose to bring them home and euthanize them humanely even. Or, you could choose not to be responsible and go on with your bad self. I’m beginning to sound like a broken record…
“No. The reason a breeder raises horses to sell is to fill a market niche. If you are limited on your selling, you’d not be able to do your job as a responsible breeder.
Those who’re responsible are raising the best possible horses they can, research genetic diseases, and do their best to make a positive contribution. But HSUS is determined to remove private ownership of all species, not just horses. If breeders sign up for this, they’re tilting at windmills.”
– If you truly are raising the best horses you can and are not over breeding, then you probably won’t get that many that need your help. Nowhere in this article do I see anything about it affecting private ownership of horses, let alone all species.
“With the 3 largest stock breeding paying out incentives to breeders, stallion owners and mare onwers, does the HSUS expect to wag the dog. I know they have lobby powers and cash up the ying yang, but we are talking AQHA here boys and girls. Turn them loose. Who has the moxie to tell them good ol boys who can or cant breed and how many to allow or not”
– Ahhh, yes. The good ole AQHA. The breed that just happens to be one of the favorites of horse eaters and the association that supports slaughter. Way to value your product! The same breed that allowsthe breeding and registration of horses with HYPP, HERDA etc. Conditions that could be bred out of that breed within one generation should they just close the books on breeding stock that tests positive. No, wouldn’t expect that association nor the APHA with their OLWS Russian breeding roulette that they allow to go on to come on board with something like this.
“I think the Jockey Club has a program called the Breeders Cup program that has the richest 2 day or horse racing in the world fed by owners, breeders and trainers that know the gamble and game better than any HSUS flunky ever dreamed of.”
– I’m not sure what the Breeders Cup has to do with any of this, but the Jockey Club has adopted an anti-slaughter stance. As I have stated, many of the larger TB breeders already do have programs or mandates in place to deal with their former horses and keep them out of the slaughter pipeline. Three Chimneys, for example, will go one further and assist with the rescue/rehab of a horse that is merely sired by one of their stallions whether that horse was ever on their farm or not. Thoroughbreds also have several dedicated rescues just to deal with racehorses once their careers at the track are over. They probably don’t have a problem with being on a list of responsible breeders at all. Nice try though.
“And then we have a great industry of purposely bred horses for consumption. These horses have been selectively bred, culled, fed and studied to meet a standard of excellence that is not different than Wagyū or Black Angus cattle. Explain to these very affluent business people that the horses that they produce and fly live to Asian markets at double digits per pound can’t do that any more because they have to provide a birth to natural death life promise. Hell Dane likely cant even extort that kind of promise from his own Family members.”
– Way to shoot yourself in the foot! According to the IEBA and UH, slaughter is for unwanted horses, so that they don’t have to suffer and go to waste. Now this idiot is suggesting that there is a booming business of breeding horses specifically for consumption? Which is it?
“As a breeder I do not believe I need to be responsible for the horse, dog, goat, duck, or what ever I raise and sell until it’s death. The new owner is responsible for the animal after it leaves the property. I may on occasion make a deal with the new owner to have the option to buy the animal back, but that depends on the situtations. This is like telling someone that raises beef cattle or hogs for meat sale that they need to be aware of where the animal is at all times. That’s like telling a parent that once their child hits 18 and moves out that they are responsible for every thing their child does until they die. Hogwash!!!”
– Really? As breeders we keep track of the horses that leave our property. If we found one to be in a bad situation, we would absolutely do the right thing by it because we care. Not because we are responsible for that bad situation, but we care about the animals we bring into this world. Even if it was in such bad shape that it was suffering, we would gladly take one back to euthanize it humanely. Lucky for us, we don’t flood the market, nor do we breed crap so those situations don’t really come up for us.
“Animals are private property. Under that premise, the new owners are responsible. This proposal by HSUS opens up a huge can of worms. I posted this on The Cavalry Group Facebook page as well, and someone brought up the important point that if something like this were to take hold, what would keep them from limiting the age of breeders to prevent them from breeding past a certain age? Scary precedent.”
– This was from Puppymill Patterson again. She’s right about one things, the new owners ARE responsible for the animals they buy. However, what happens when you sell one to somebody like Dorothy Robertson and it ends up in dire straits? Are you ok, just shrugging it off and saying it’s not your problem anymore? Legally it’s not your problem, but many people would probably want that horse back or at least have a hand in seeing that it was not suffering. Hell, maybe they would throw a rescue a few dollars to help with rehabilitating the animal.
“I have taken horses back after they have been gone for years. Life changes and sometimes the horse is no longer part of that life. I will take back their horse and give it a foreverhome or place it in a good home if I can. That horse was foaled here and if it needs help in life I will try to be there for it.”
– Thank you. That is all anybody is asking. If every single breeder did this, there would be no need for slaughter. Think about it.
” Before this thread takes a turn for the worse….I breed to MAKE MONEY. Sorry guys, it’s a business and we have a business plan set up. I’m not going to keep something around that doesn’t have a job or potentially can make money.”
– I know that this particular `breeder’ actually works at Wal-Mart. Want to see the kind of stock she is putting out there? I wonder how that `making money’ thing is working out for her…
I guess I’m not surprised at the puffing out of chests and paranoid ramblings of the UH PSAs given that they have Puppymill Patterson fanning the flames. They seem to not grasp the concept that nobody is forcing anybody to sign up on this list. One of them suggested this list is 5yrs old and was sold to the HSUS. I don’t know that to be true. Given the challenges many PSAs have with the English language, I will wait for a reputable source to weigh in on that. What I do know is that breeders on this list (allegedly over 800) should be praised for doing the right thing. Each and every time you breed a mare, you should ask yourself who is going to want that foal and do you have the funds to raise and train it properly so that it will attract your target buyers. If you truly are breeding for a legitimate market demand and are breeding quality stock, then you probably won’t see very many, if any, of your stock in dire straits. I know it can happen to any horse, but those are not the usual cases. I think the real problem PSAs have with this list is that many of them breed complete and utter junk and they dump them wherever they can. They realize that if they ever signed onto something like this, they would be inundated with `returns’. There is one way to prevent that. Stop breeding anything and everything with a uterus. My question to these people is; why do you even have and/or breed horses if you don’t care what happens to them? Wouldn’t there be far less suffering and problems if people like the PSAs just stuck to inanimate objects?