I was really hoping we didn’t have to discuss the Nevada 34 until next week when their former owner/abuser goes to court, but it seems that Old Dorothy doesn’t know when to STFU. She is currently being egged on by the morons over at HGS forum and I do apologize to the very few people over there that have attempted reason and to call Dorothy on her BS. Most of the HGS people make the UH peeps look like geniuses; that’s how bad it is. If you are needing to refresh your memory on this neglect case, you can review these links: (https://shedrowconfessions.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/the-nevada-34-update/)(https://shedrowconfessions.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/straight-from-the-horse-neglecters-mouth-updates-on-the-nevada-34/)and (https://shedrowconfessions.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/sundays-psa-8/). Right now, Dorothy is busy pointing her grubby fingers every direction but at herself, but I still thought it would be fun to take a peek on her latest round of delusion and denial…As always, we’ll hear straight from Dorothy herself….
“Would you leave your place and go to town to do so while sheriffs deputies are on the place and no one else is there but them? My camera is a Flip video camera….recharges the battery by plugging into computer USB port…..at that point my house had no power except the generator and I didn’t even think of starting it up, plugging in computer and then plugging in camera….other things (like asking them not to load stallions/mares in the same trailer load) on my mind at that very moment.”
– I’m kinda getting confused about Dorothy’s camera situation. She originally told us that she had pictures on her camera but her film tore when she removed it. Now, it’s apparently a digital video camera (which wouldn’t have film). I’m not aware of too many flip video cameras that use film anymore….especially the ones that plug into a USB port. So….where ARE these pictures she claims to have that would show what super awesome shape her horses were in prior to seizure? She promised to have them available to everybody a few weeks ago.
“Added some photos to my ranch album…..taken from outside the sales yard property (posted with no cameras/videos allowed) only a few days after the horses were taken. According to the vet this herd had an average body condition score of 2 with only a few 3s and none a 4 or higher. Same vet testified that horses in starvation situation would take 1-3 weeks to turn around metabolism and begin to gain and at most would gain 1-1.5 lbs per day once they began gaining. Waiting for more photos taken a few days later with longer tele lens….. being processed in Reno at specialty photo business due to film damage in unloading camera (borrowed from a friend in case anyone needs to know….friend is also the owner of one of the leased mares and was NOT….as reported by the brand inspector…..upset about the condition of the mare but was upset about brand inspectors charging time and milage on top of brand inspection fee when brand inspection was done at BI’s usual place of business….sales yard….and by sales yard manager charging $7/day board on the mare since NNER had supposedly already paid the board…..and the board fee is limited by statute to $5/day…..did the same thing to the owner of the other two leased mares who was there at the same time picking up hers…..mare owner had a brand inspection in her name as well as mare’s papers in hand in her name…real question arises regarding brand inspection…..there was never a brand inspection showing ownership change from the mare owner to sheriffs dept or to NNER yet owner was forced to get a new inspection form showing her as owner when she had one already in hand.)”
– Ok, yet another camera story. Is anybody keeping track of the camera excuses? The horses have been in custody since early September. I would think the film would be developed by now? Now it’s the brand inspector’s fault and how dare NNER not pay the bail for the leased horses they weren’t taking into their care! I’m still not sure what any of this has to do with the condition her horses were in…
“Let’s get something straight…..I could afford the horses at the time they were taken…..there was hay on the property, hay was purchased twice a week or more, the old sick horse was getting medications for pain, ulcers, antibiotics and all the feed he would eat. The only issues were that I had spent down my reserves in dealing with move, getting pump/pressure tank and generator to get water accessible on the property other than the pond for the mares (which by the way, is over an acre in size most of the time and several feet deep at its deepest) so I didn’t have to haul it daily, and dealing with sister’s death that came faster and more expensively than anticipated (docs had given her to about Christmas, she died the end of July with funeral first week of August). I didn’t have the full amount of the money the vet wanted at the time the horse needed to be put down and was working on obtaining more as quickly as possible……retired so checks only come once a month…and he wouldn’t accept payments…..retirement check arrived on Wed after the horses were taken on Fri (and one day after the horse was put down or possibly the same day he was put down at the sales yard after being kept there without medications he was getting here) and would have paid for vet in full. Help for getting foot care done was also coming the next week….legs on those with photosensitive reaction were healing and they had been getting halter/tying work done with them so that help could hold them while they were trimmed…that help was on long vacation and due back the weekend the horses were taken. Those yearlings without leg issues due to photosensitivity had been trimmed within the previous month to 6 weeks and work was being done on the mare herd gradually. The funds shortage was short term. Moving here was a financial improvement over the situation where I was previously living.”
– Dorothy could not afford a bullet to put down an emaciated and suffering horse at the time they were taken. She was in arrears to the vet and many of those horses hadn’t had their feet trimmed for probably at least a year. Did the picture I posted above look like a horse that had been trimmed within six weeks? These horses had no shelter from the sun and those babies had been returned to her in April. She had several months to treat their sores and get them trimmed. Strangely, NNER managed to get the worst cases done immediately by tranquilizing them and laying them down. If money was `not a problem’ why didn’t Dorothy do the same? Again, I keep coming back to the severely emaciated and suffering stallion. If you couldn’t afford to end his suffering, you shouldn’t have animals. Period. That’s not even going into the fact Dorothy has no electricity nor running water at her place. Yet, she has enough money to care for 34 horses….Ok then….
“Yep. And this is not the only behavior from that BI that should be reviewed. Her job is to accurately describe animals and to do recorded transfer of ownership for state records. She somehow missed listing brands on two of the three mares that carried them, described one horse as a gelding when there were no geldings here, described more black/white Paints than were here, described one horse as a roan Paint (no roan Paint here) and offered such vague descriptions of almost all the horses that someone not familiar with them would probably not be able to ID any of them while I, as the owner, can only positively ID about 1/3 of them from her descriptions. That’s just one small group of animals with that many errors…..one has to ask how accurate her work is in larger groups (such as on sale day at the sales yard where maybe 1000 head or more of animals will be changing ownership). Then there’s the issues of her notifying the rescue within an hour of the last horse leaving here that the rescue would be getting these horses….who contacts someone they don’t know well at after 11 at night to tell them they are getting a big bunch of horses….the claim from DT that she and the BI didn’t know each other prior to this seizure is BS. And then add in the kind of posted remarks such as this place being overrun with hundreds of feral cats….really?….because there isn’t a single cat in any of the SO photos (yes, I have them but printed and don’t have a scanner to upload to a disk) and none of the neighbors have seen all these feral cats either. Add in her breaches of security on her other job on the Naval Air Station (posted photos of military aircraft inside their hangars…..huge security issue as NO photos are to be taken on base of any military craft or facilities).”
– Dorothy is running out of fingers to point! I’m just going to float a theory on the rescue/BI issue. If the county knew they were likely going to have to take custody of over 3o head of horses, it would make sense they had their ducks in a row and gave a rescue a heads up. It would be irresponsible to take that many horses that were in reportedly fragile health without a plan in place. I don’t know that as a fact, but I could see it going down like that. As to the cat issue, we know Dorothy breeds ragdoll cats and I don’t have a hard time believing her house was full of them. Hoarders don’t have great perspective on what is `too many’. Maybe they weren’t running around her yard, but that doesn’t mean her house wasn’t full of them. She also apparently breeds dogs.
Ok, now that we have a sampling of some recent inconsistencies from Dorothy, let’s look at some other whoppers she has told. Remember how she kept telling everybody she had not bred any mares this year? *update* The picture of the mare’s ass is current but the HGS people are still morons* The above mare recently slipped a foal. A foal that was estimated to be at least six months old. NNER had the fetus DNA tested so there would be no question what mare it came from. Of course they are now getting mobbed up by the HGS shitheads who think that was a waste of money. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t….Had they not gotten this evidence, the same people would be saying it wasn’t this mare’s foal or wasn’t as old as they claimed or something. The fact is, this is Dorothy’s former mare and she aborted a six month old fetus. Maybe it was an immaculate conception. Here are the DNA results…
Another outright lie Dorothy told was to do with the `old’ stallion who she had no money to put down. She claimed he was very old and very sick. Thankfully, Dorothy has an internet trail that even a blind man could follow and we now know that the horse that was in super tough shape likely wasn’t all that old. It turns out that Dorothy advertised 4 stallions at stud. One of them was 20 yrs old, Muchacho Pintero, but he passed away at least a year ago according to Dorothy. “Muchacho Pintero, sorrel tobiano, only Paint son of Docs Muchacho (Doc Quixote x Maguey Girl by Les Glo), out of stakes placing daughter of All American Futurity winner Three Ohs. Lost him last winter and miss him terribly.” Ok, so we know the only `older’ stallion she has listed on several sites, including her own website (thank you internet archives ;)) died long before this drama ensued. The emaciated, downed horse in the news footage showed a buckskin tobiano. Guess what? Dorothy had a buckskin tobiano stallion at stud. His name was Colonels Diamond Chex and he was NOT one of the horses that ended up at NNER. He would have only been 10years old this year and you can see him here : (http://www.horsebreederdirect.com/horses/coloredcowhorseranch/colonelsdiamondchex) He is likely the `old’ horse that she couldn’t afford to put down nor would she sign a release to let the sheriff do it, prolonging his suffering by a few more days. Since Dorothy lies like a sidewalk, we may never know where Colonels Diamond Chex ended up or if he was, in fact, the `old’ stallion that suffered so badly.
Let’s go back to how Dorothy told us all how she wasn’t going to breed anything this year. Even though we now have an aborted fetus that suggests that wasn’t true, I think I’ll let Dorothy speak for herself again. This is what she had to say last November…
“Likely using Ima Streakin Doc (bay tobiano APHA, Doc Bar grandson) on several mares as I like what he’s done with them in the past…and one maiden because I think he’d make a great cross with her.
Smoken Boo Jac (black tobiano by QT Poco Streke out of daughter of Mr Barbie Cody Jac by Hollywood Jac 86)…previous foal a big bay tobiano born doing rollbacks and sliding stops
Diaman H RisKey Beau….black tobiano, possibly HZ for both (not tested yet) daughter of Ris Key Business out of daughter of QT Poco Streke…previous foal bay HZ tobiano colt
Hickery’s Lil Crimson (chestnut HZ tobiano granddaughter of Smart Little Pistol out of Lenas Diamond Chex/Doc Doll/Mr Gunsmoke/King Fritz mare)…maiden, guaranteed tobi with 50% chance of HZ, probably bay or black
Other stallion that will be used is Double Down Delta (APHA pending) liver chestnut HZ tobiano, son of res world ch Delta Promise (Delta O’Lena x Peppy San Badger daughter out of Nu Bar daughter) out of daughter of Dots Nu King (reining points, died before finishing, full brother to 2 x world ch reiner Gay Bar O’Lena….Delta O’Lena x Nu Bar daughter o/o daughter of Gay Bar King)…will be bred to…..
HR Smiles Doll, solid bay Paint, producing daughter of Doc Doll out of daughter of Freckles Playboy, second dam full sister to Travelena and placed 8th at NCHA fut…….guaranteed tobiano foal with great pedigree
Stylish Sugar Mama, med liver chestnut QH mare, daughter of Nitas Stylish Oak ($ and fut winner, Docs Stylish Oak x Royal Silver King daughter o/o Peponita daughter) out of daughter of Nu Cash (Peppy San Badger/Doc O’Lena on bottom)…chestnut tobiano foal
BBR Uvaldelena, bay HZ tobiano mare by Dos Munecos, double grandson of Uvalde Doll (dam of Doc Doll) with grandsires being Gay Bar King and Jose Uno…out of daughter of ’92 APHA world ch reiner, Retrospect…..HZ tobiano foal
Docs Lady Is Smoken, bay minimal splash white registered as solid, granddaughter of Smoke N Cotton (5th in lifetime working cowhorse pts when he died young, sire of multiple world chs including 4 x world ch Smoke N Blackhawk) and of Docs Gabilan (top 10 finalist Snaffle Bit, Doc Bar son) with Broadway Doc and Bueno Chex on bottom. Tobiano, possible tovero foal.
Strait Miss Boon, brown solid Paint daughter of 8 time world ch Strait From Texas (RisKey Business x daughter of Hollywood Smoke by Mr Gunsmoke) out of own daughter of Boon Bar (sire of multiple winners incl Royal Blue Boon, dam of Peptoboonsmal)….tobiano foal
Munez Queen Phoebe….QH mare, bay, daughter of Docs Phoebe (by Docs Hickory) out of daughter of Brinks Leo Hickory (by Docs Hickory)….tobiano foal
There are several other mares here I’d love to breed but am unsure of what the economy is going to do so am not sure whether I’ll breed them or not…hate to have them just sit but don’t want to produce non-selling foals either…only got three coming in ’12 so they’ve mostly sat for a year this coming spring as it is. Will see how things look in the spring….feed prices etc all factor in. Thinking of maybe breeding half the herd one year and the other half the alternate years…until they are old enough that this risks future breedings at all.”
Kinda tells a different story,no? At least maybe NNER can use this list to identify some of the mares that Dorothy refuses to give up the paperwork for. For sure they can use it to ID the aborted fetus. You only need to run a search on any of Dorothy’s stud’s names and you pretty much get endless pages of her talking about her breeding plans for them. Wanna see the baby daddy?
As of last November, Dorothy admitted to having 9 stallions running together at her place. She also, helpfully posted pictures of some of them. They were not in bad weight, but you can see the beginnings of slipper feet on at least one of them. Strangely, he doesn’t appear to have sores on his legs either and she claims that her recent financial woes were temporary in nature. Remember how she was outraged that the county had put stallions together in pens when her horses were seized? “I have 9 uncut male horses here right now (not counting the weanlings)….they run together in a bachelor herd, seldom even have sparring matches among themselves and not a one of them has ever attempted a bite at me and one tried a kick one time. I safely walk among them at feeding time, can take any one of them out of the herd whenever I want, have them in a field that sometimes has mares as close as 30 feet away (most of the mares are across the road… a two lane road with fences on both sides so mares and stallions are about maybe 100 feet apart most of the time)…and I don’t have problems with them.”
I think by now, most reasonable people can see for themselves that Dorothy has a big problem with keeping her stories straight. She seems to spend a LOT of time on message boards and likes to give advice about anything and everything. I guess while she was busy on the net, her horses were withering away from photosensitivity and neglect. What we do know for a fact is that the issue of the horses being seized has been settled. NNER has the horses and that’s the way it will remain until they put them up for adoption. NNER had NOTHING to do with the seizure of the horses, yet Dorothy and her idiot followers continue to demonize them at every opportunity. We also know that Dorothy is in court next week to answer to the neglect charges. I wish I could be a fly on the wall to see that gong show as I’m certain that Dorothy will be blaming anybody and everybody for the condition of those poor animals. Remember, that Dorothy is a staunch slaughter supporter and has, in the past, attacked many anti slaughter people over their views. I guess the biggest question I have in all of this is, how is bringing slaughter back going to eliminate cases like this one? She could have sold her horses to kill buyer at any point, instead she chose to neglect them and let them suffer. Does anybody really think this would have gone down any differently had there been a slaughter-house in the US?
I don’t think slaughter or any other method would have helped this lady. Her animals suffer because she is sick, sick, sick. She needs serious treatment and help but I fear she will never get it. I hope that the judge throws the book at her and she is forced to seek treatment or put in prison, where she will likely get the medical help she needs. These horses didn’t deserve any of this, they were born into a bad place. I hope she’s not allowed to own any type of animal ever again, but I also hope she is able to get the help she needs to realize that she is a hoarder, plain and simple.
Well, Doro looks like she knows how to feed a human and seems to keep HER feet shod.
Is the umbrella for the human or the horse? Is it a costume contest?
I’m not sure what training method that is. Perhaps she was trying to build her own all purpose horse?
Sadly, so many of these people don’t appear to have missed a lot of meals themselves. Sadly, we can’t say the same for the horses.
Well, there are a few PSAs that appear weight healthy (brain and soul a different matter)…but while I might be Jabba The Hutt, I know how to call a vet and delve out dollars caring for my horses…oh, and I have electricity.
I bet the $hit that the horse is in some type of PSA/ignoramus technique called “bombproofing”…poor horse with a sad human. Does she close the umbrella and then whack the snot out of poor pony when the film is “destroyed” by improper handling or can’t find a charger or juiced USB port?
Up there with Douche Bag….he probably just beats them with any thing handy. Lord that man has alot of crazy and broken equines (because you can’t send sick or lame to slaughter; ain’t that right, Davey) ….rumor has it.
BTW, he went after me last night on Horseback…lord I love being the irritating barnacle on a PSAs a$$. I hope I’m the largest.
I think I’m right up there too LOL
The umbrella???? Maybe she was trying to provide some protection to the horse from the sun….you know how bad they get photosensitivity, right??? Poor Dorothy following her horses around with an umbellla, being their only shade and shelter.
There’s more inconsistencies in her story than I’ve heard in my entire life. She’s real quick tho to point fingers at other people tho!
Most psa’s are near the size of their horses. It comes from consuming horse meat. I was under the impression that Dorothy was an elderly woman. I don’t know why. I guess I thought that’s why she couldn’t care for her horses. I imagined somebody hobbling around trying to keep everything going. Hell, she looks able bodied to me.
I did, too! I don’t know why I kept picturing her old!
She’s in her sixties
I get my horses used to everything but not like that the horse looks like an alien relative to Mary Poppins. Not all at the same time essh. I let them play with stuff so if they come across it they aren’t what he the heck and off to the moon. There isn’t anything too wrong with training horses to get used to items but don’t over do it a bombproof horse is dangerous in my book and even those have an off day.
You take and make a horse so used to everything and one day you are out riding and not paying attention and all of a sudden a snake bites your horse and wham you hit the ground. Bombproofing causes the rider to get complacent *sp* and therefore they get hurt. I am about getting a horse used to things but you want a horse who can sense things and alert you. Somehow I think I just repeated myself, old age LOL
My farrier who is the tops! Had a reply to my question for him *her name or incident wasn’t used just a educational question” and he said a horse should see a farrier more than once a year, so that mare and yearling had been untrimmed for a good part of a year! I cruised the posts and saw where she said the yearlings had been trimmed. Um no, it takes awhile to get slipper feet like that!
So after that I really don’t buy anything coming out of her mouth. I think the bomb is about to drop on her and her guardians.
At this point, I honestly hope they convict her and mandate some sort of psychological help and ban her from owning animals until she is mentally capable of appreciating that she is a hoarder. Realize that her entire breeding program is based on relatives of decent horses. None of them have ever done anything themselves. Not even the stallions. I believe most of those weren’t even broke to ride.
FUGLY always said…(summation)…”I don’t care if Man O’War was your Baby Daddy….no record…no worth. But the humans pretend… actually, I’ve come to appreciate the real effort (good and bad) that made the equines of note in the world’s history book.
And frankly I spent 2 minutes reviewing Dippy Doro’s comments because she is a NUT….I quit after the first 3 reposts.
Jabbering moron that needs medical help. Period.
But she GOT groceries…or a thyroid condition.
There is a difference between proven lines and proven, one is the horse’s family has done well in the ring and proven is your horse doing it and doing it well. She has no concept of it.
Most of these idiots think I have the son of so and so and my horses will be worth the money. Breeding is a 50/50 crap shoot if that, half a chance you get nothing more than a riding horse or a champ in something else, but God forbid a cow horse ranch have a stallion that produces barrel champs oh how it ruins their ranch’s name uggh. CCH even claimed she didn’t want her broodie to become a barrel racer. She suffers from the ” I wanna be somebody in the horse world” syndrome.
My youngest has awesome lines, granddaughter of Little Bruiser but she will never have a foal ever. I plan to finish her training out and hoping for a nice trail and play day horse.
None of her stallions or mares have a show record? Never been in the ring uggh no value there to be breeding.
PS My late QH good for slaughter only mare *they stopped that after 2 months of me owning her LOL I miss that mare* won numerous 1st places and at the age of 23 won 4 blues and 2 reds at her last playday so she was more proven than CCH’s mares.
Repeat (and no bang on you ntvspt)…no record? NO WORTH!!!!!!!
And frankly, I’m dealing with a disease or trauma situation right now with a gelding (1 of 3) I own. In fact the disease may have required VERY costly carcass disposal…. I never had a problem with it save that it may make me max out any financial asset like a credit card (my only one) or sell my da’bomb F350 Powerstroke 7.3 diesel to make the right thing happen.
Bottom line is, I NEVER THOUGHT OF PUTTING HIM ON THAT TRUCK!…MUCH MORE POISON HUMANS BECAUSE HE HAS A BIT OF BANNED DRUGS….oh, I have his treatment records with meds….not that the CFIA, Mexican poop authorities or USDA care.
Hoping the best for your horse, Denise.
I do want to qualify one point…breeding stock as I have observed that is mostly TB….does take time regardless of record. The pedigree does seem to count, to a point…the industry trashes and elevates equines with medium records.
I look at Secretariat…dismissed, but his female line is invaluable….WITH THE PROPER BREEDER. BUT shit, he died at 19 because of laminitis at a premier breeding operation….so really, what the FUCK do they know?
btw, listening to the news…you all know we are still fucking fighting (pun intended) about birth control in the US…in 2012?????????? HOLY FUCK!…no wonder we have a problem with horse slaughter.
Don’t like gay marriage?…then don’t marry one.
Don’t like birth control?…don’t use it.
Hate abortion?….don’t do it.
Bottom line is, while you peddle filthy meat….get your own house in order first before you tell other people what to do.
Flame on……….. (insert happy face here)
It’s cool Denise I don’t breed but if I did I would campaign both stallion and mare and then retire them to the program.
I had educated myself well before I bred my girls for just personal foals, decided after losing a few no more, adoption only for me or buying one that needed a home.
I didn’t like the sound of what you are dealing with I can only think of a couple of things that would be that kind of disposal, many hugs
Breeding your own that you intend to keep, I have no issue with. But breeding a crapload and never even halter breaking them is a recipe for disaster. Even if they were out of the best horses in the world, they aren’t worth much if they are wild as march hares!
Agree SR I broke my youngest asap Whoever gets these yearlings is gonna have a lot to do.
Re: my horse….it does look like trauma versus disease (per vet…final results still pending, prelims good). So I’ll be able to bury him if I have to euth. It’s been almost a week and nerve wracking.
But I have help from additional ranch staff, my former vet, family….and I have electricity plus a functioning flashlight.
He is doing fairly well; eating well, wound clearing up, swelling going down (head/neck/poll injury), lameness gone, poop good and drinking water….rough to wait for tests and he has become a brat regarding wound cleaning, bute (yes I do the syringe with applesauce and molasses).
Just an update…btw…want to know how much a simple bacteria lab (for 2 pathogens(?), strains (?))… $500! No results guaranteed!…not including vet charges.
Dumbass Doro…no electricity…get out of the horse hoarding (cats for that matter) biz. Go volunteer at an animal shelter of horse rescue; it’s cheaper and your mileage is tax deductible.
Wow, vet bills suck. My dog had to have a blood transfusion and it was something like $800. sounds like your guy may be on the mend? We had a racehorse that flipped upside down and cracked his head. Touch and go for about 10 days, but then we *gasp* gave him some Bute to address swelling and he went on to win stakes races that year. Don’t give up until they do!
SrC:
He “appears” (cautiously optimistic) on the mend, but now I’m worried about post secondary infection and/or permanent bursa necrosis/degeneration.
But we THINK he flipped and hit his head at the point of skull and spine on the ground or pipe corral.
I assisted a friend that had a beautiful colt that this happened to, in the rain and cold (of course) while waiting for the vet…the colt was still alive but paralyzed….just heartbreaking. One of the best things I ever did helping this wonderful woman and horse.
You got horses (equines)?…krap happens.
Yup, it’s amazing what they’ll get themselves into. Our horse that flipped hit himself on the tarmac right on the poll. He was a sad mess and bled our of his ear. We were literally about a day away from putting him down. He came around as good as new. Once they get the swelling and pressure off their noggin they will either get better right away or you’ll know what you have. Sure hope it works out for your guy…
Denise I hope he recovers, but head/spine injuries are one to keep an eye on it can go bad quickly. Glad you got a ton of help with him
It’s not just lack of regular hoof care that causes slipper feet like this – these horses have laminitis. You can see the rings on the hooves if you look closely. I had a friend who is a NAACHP certified, expert barefoot trimmer look at the picture and she confirmed laminitis. She also said with proper trimming the horse should recover (whether fully or not is hard to say from the picture, however), diet is critical also. Laminitis can result from poor nutrition, improper feeding, etc. in thin horses.
Well, laminitis may have been something they had in the past. I saw mention made of some of them blowing out abcesses which would indicate that as well, but they probably weren’t actively with laminitis at the time of seizure. For sure with feet that long there is going to be some separation. A big preventable mess. My concern is for the yearlings that have never had their feet done and have been allowed to grow like that. Young bones are soft and they may have lifelong soundness issues or deformities as a result. We start handling our babies feet from the day they are born. When their mamas get their feet done, the babies get handled by the farrier as well, until they are ready for their first trim. From the sounds of it, Dorothy’s babies were barely every handled, so I don’t envy the farriers having to deal with them at this point…
Just an FYI, you may want to clear up the little spot you wrote for the (morons at HGS) letting them know that this is in fact an older picture of the mare who slipped the foal and stating it was taken at the livestock exchange…because according to the rescue this IS a recent pic of the mare that had just slipped her foal…so somebody doesn’t have the facts clear and that could make the rescue not look so good.
Hi Manes N Tails,
You are the biggest dumbass of all the HGS people. You want to pick on when the picture was taken but have no comment on the `old’ stallion that starved to death being only 10yrs old? Or pictures from last year that clearly show the slipper feet starting to grow? How about the fact none of her donkeys were broke to ride or even handle? No comment on that? Of course not, it’s all about defending this sicko hoarder. Shame on you, Anne Knight. You’ll be the next poster child here if you don’t calm yourself down and get a clue.
Sorry, not manesntails…I think she spells her name as Anne. I only wanted to correct “your” error and that is that the pics of the mare #16 was in fact taken at the rescue…so your message to the people at hgs was not correct and for the rescues sake you should fix that!
It’s corrected and you’re still an idiot. You’re also still a liar just like Dorothy.
SrC:
And the 2 things PSAs are really good at are truth and reality.
Yeah, and my ass shits Chanel No 5 that I sell at a huge profit on the black market. (PSAs?…that was sarcasm)
Right now they are over there blaming NNER for being breeders because they haven’t preg checked and aborted all the foals yet. There is nothing this poor rescue can do right according to them….who spend all day on the internet…
I know what morons are; but what does HGS stand for? I may hop over there for entertainment on a rainy day.
Wear your tinfoil beanie….this Anne Knight posts under the name Manes n Tails and my dog has better reading comprehension than this nutbar does. She’s also over on the NNER page raising hell. Clearly she has all day to play on the net….
Yeah..lazy impaired want to know what HGS is and maybe a link (if I’m a masochist).
Sorry, I had linked them in an earlier Dorothy post…It’s the Horse Grooming Supplies forum. Dorothy posts over there as coloredcowhorse and she posts a LOT. Enjoy the 275 page clusterfuck with most of them trying to save poor dorothy’s horses…
http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/vet-had-sheriff-seize-one-our-members-485192-275.html
Dorothy keeps saying she could afford her horses care when they were seized. Question……if she could afford their care, then WHY didn’t she HIRE someone to help her with the more difficult to handle ones???? WHY hadn’t she provided shelter to horses she had knowing they were photosensitive? WHY did she lose her farm, and now is living in a run down, abandoned place, with no electricity, running water, or heat???? She says she’s reduced all of her expenses??? Then WHY were these animals allowed to suffer as long as they did??? Oh wait! She only had them back since APRIL, and they were seized in SEPTEMBER. Ok…I understand now, that she didn’t have enough time??????
Dorothy doesn’t look like she forgot to feed herself though. She’s in good flesh. I have other pictures of her. She needs mental help.
Many do need mental help, many do… I’m trying to care about Dorothy but I’m just not feelin’ it. Sad though. At least these horses are fairly safe now. Sigh…. Long day, long week, long month, long year, long life. I guess that’s a good thing. LOL
Well our buddy `Ann’ is wondering why they took all her horses. She thinks they should have let her keep the ones that weren’t as skinny. They also think underweight is the only way a horse can be neglected or abused….There is just no helping some people. As for dorothy…I can’t feel sorry for somebody that takes no responsibility for what she has done and then attempts to discredit and slander the people that are attempting to clean up her mess.
Dorothy is ill…that is worth empathy or sympathy.
But I don’t believe in the death penalty either (flame on).
Beside, most PSAs DO lack empathy, sympathy, reason, ethics, morals….(insert any valued human characteristic you find I’ve skipped here).
The asshats at HGS should spend time REALLY helping her (or her equines, kitties, dogs) instead of bashing NNER.
I don’t support the death penalty either for a lot of reasons. I also don’t think Dorothy is fit to have any animals if she can’t see that there was something seriously wrong with her having that many horses on 10 acres (of which she said the pond was at least an acre) and not even being able to afford the bullet to put a suffering horse down. The lies she keeps telling have pretty much wiped out my sympathy. I can’t empathize, because I have never nor would I ever be in her situation.
Distorted reality and lies from a person that appears to be mentally ill kinda makes “calling them out as irresponsible” appear ridiculous.
Now, between our health care system and courts, helping mentally ill people is almost impossible.
I doubt the judge will have the guts or power to keep Doro from owning animals in the future. (Wanna bet that jackoff judge has an opinion about abortion????…or public lands/wild equines…or is a barnacle on Harry Reid’s ass????)
Breeds horses? Check. Breeds cats? Check. (Supposedly) Breeds dogs? Check. Good flipping grief, someone take the reproductive organs away from this woman!
And by “reproductive organs” I mean, “Anything WITH reproductive organs.” No sleep = no sense from the Nem.
Take away her Big Mac too! I hope she didn’t get on that baby in the picture with her and the umbrella….
Arrest records have just been posted for her prior 50 convictions of animal neglect in Oregon…more to come…
Not to sound like a Delusional Dorothy supporter here, but the rescue could do more to shut up the PSA nuts and is being kind of sketchy. Like why can’t they post photos? Or only ass shots and not hooves? Charges pending blah blah really? They showed them in the tv report, isn’t that the same thing or worse?
She says that the DA has asked her not to. That makes sense to me as charges are pending against Dorothy. Remember that those horses were seized two weeks prior to NNER getting them. My question is where are Dorothy’s pictures? She has a camera that plugs to a USB port that uses film? Not likely. She keeps saying she has pics but nobody sees them either. The fact is the part about the horses is over. The only thing getting resolved in court now is criminal charges.
As for NNER, I have found Deanna to be nothing but forthright any time I have asked her anything. She has been constantly attacked by Dorothy and her buddies because she has custody of these neglected animals? Stop trying to demonize somebody that had nothing to do with Dorothy’s situation….
With the Hoskin’s case in WNY the SPCA (has custody of her horses during the trial) was NOT allowed to post pictures of the horses while in their care as per the DA. That’s typical in animal seizures. I can’t imagine Dorothy’s case would be any different. I don’t know why some are demanding NNER post pics (who the hell do they think they are anyway??) and what they’re hoping to prove by seeing additional pics of the horses seized from Dorothy; the overgrown feet, hide wounds, dying stud, etc should be enough evidence that woman had serious issues that go beyond selfish and ignorant. Dorothy says she has pictures of her horses in good condition yet she only posts a few. Why not go after the woman charged with neglecting these animals vs the group treating them properly???
Because they are idiots? Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
I’m not demonizing, lol – just genuinely curious.
And I think Dorothy said she just had a flip cam at one point, and film at another.. who knows.
Yup and she’s now posted a few selected videos showing the not a female brand inspector and her skinny horses getting loaded up. Seems to me the only one that should be ashamed of what is in those videos is Dorothy. It also clearly shows the sheriff taking pictures of each and every horse and its condition prior to loading.
http://www.youtube.com/user/coloredcowhorse
Dorothy is ‘supposedly’ downloading video onto YouTube of when her horses were seized, ect. THIS should be interesting.
And….Manes is one nasty, hateful woman. She got all bent out of shape over Shedrow calling HGS members ‘morons’, but sure has been yelling and talking down to, and insulting other members throughout that entire thread.
I think it’s funny how they think the rescue should of had all mares preg checked by now, and luted if found to be pregnant…but only AFTER the rescue got them. None of that responsibility fell on Dorothys shoulders BEFORE they got seized! Hmmmmmm????? Dorothy allows her horses to be bred (whether deliberate or accidental), and allows them to become slipper footed, thin, and even one needing euthanized….but the rescue isn’t doing enough for the horses???????????????????? ROTF………
And, Shedrow…the pic you posted above of Dorothy with the colt and the umbrella? THAT is the FIRST time I’ve seen what Dorothy looks like….what a sloppy looking woman. Now wonder she had no pride in how her horses looked. She has no pride in how SHE looks. She looks like she could afford to miss a few meals herself. I can’t imagine someone stuffing their face, while their animals are going hungry and without basic care. 😦 OOPS! Sorry. She could afford their care….(her own words!). Their neglect must of been DELIBERATE then????
Yes, I can’t quite wrap my mind around the uproar about whether the mares are pregnant or not. They seem to think a six month old fetus is NNER’s fault and that only disease would cause a mare to abort. Malnutrition and neglect would cause that too. Then they’re all pissed about the papers on the horses and the rescue breeding `grade’ horses. Dorothy is the one that refuses to even identify the horses. She really has found people equally as stupid and hateful as she is in the likes of Manesntails and a few others…
OMG you guys crack me up!! You know you’re making the Bid D followers cry over on HGS when they see you’ve been talking about them this way – they think they’re pretty special in their isolated cyberworld. Be careful, farmeress has threatened to come over here and tear you all apart. I bet she doesn’t have the nerve (or the guts) to do so. That could be very entertaining though.
Excellent Point Shelly. If D could afford their care then the abuse must have been deliberate. No. It’s someone elses fault as per Manes (why is she so nasty anyway??).
Anyone know what NNER is in need of? I’d be happy to donate.
You can contact NNER via their public facebook page. I’m sure any assistance would be appreciated. I’m just sick about all the grief they are getting when they had nothing to do with the seizure. Now the HGS assholes are back peddling over the recent findings of Big D’s criminal past and Manes is dining on a large dish of crow tonight. I hope it gives her gas.
Farmeress, I see you lurking boo….come on down and take us all to school with her mad grammar/spelling skillz….can’t wait!
I don’t think the “Ann” that is posting here is the Anne Knight, aka ManesnTails, because she is being polite. Anne Knight doesn’t know how to be polite.
You mean there’s two of them that stupid????
Random thoughts here
The reason they took the nicer looking ones could very well be that they did not want have to get called back a few months later to get them in another seizure, those are not cheap to the county. And to make sure the situation was handled period and no more horses affected.
Yes by law she can get some back but I am sure they will look at her current conditions first if she can’t get the house in order in time they will use that against her, she herself said the property was a total mess due to vandalism.
Ok on the horses with the slippered feet, yes they were on lease BUT she should have gone and checked on these “valuable” horses. No matter what this is all on her no one else and now any mare bred could be by a Mustang, possible but her kind of person would make sure the wild stud couldn’t due to her horses being so valuable.
I would warn those on that board to be careful, the information they think will help her can also come back to hurt her. You really don’t think the court or law enforcement aren’t aware of the postings from her?
On the Mustang thing they said “could” just to clarify.
None of her stories makes sense. She’s very selective on what she’ll show as far as pictures. They seized 34 horses and she’s shown pictures of a few. Where is the picture of the `old’ horse that had to be put down? Turns out, he may have only been 10yrs old. I’m sick of seeing how `valuable’ these horses were. If they were so valuable, people would have bought them, but she had many listed at 5k and nobody is going to pay that for an unbroke, underfed horse out of unproven parents. Nobody. Horses are only worth what somebody else is willing to pay for them and nobody was willing to meet her prices. Now they all have no papers so they are worth even less. Yup, NNER is sure going to get rich out of this deal *sarcasm*. Dorothy and her followers are morons.
Exactly, if they were they would have been sold at a breed sale or Paint-cutting horse folk would have been lined up to get them.
I still can’t get over the fact that she allowed that stallion that had to be put down to suffer for soooo long, over $40??????? Pay the damn $40 and do what responsible horses owners do!!!
If her horses were worth so much….at least one of them wasn’t worth the additional $40 it would of COST her to have it put down! Seems she thought her horses were only worth those prices to others, but not herself!!??
It was probably more than $40.. If not, wow, dire straits if Dorothy couldn’t afford forty bucks I guess.
But she can afford to feed and care for 34 head of horses….
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It’s nice to read the other side vs. what’s being spewed from the armchair DAs on HGS playing detective that “google” the legal aspects and feel Dorothy was wronged by ALL involved. She, and they, has more excuses as to why her horses were seized; camera issues (twice), not paying vet bills, renters fault she was broke, reasons as to why feet were so bad and horses so thin. They even blame someone else for breeding her mares. In their eyes Dorothy is a saint, I hope the majority on HGS have higher standards when it comes to horse care.
Regardless, they’re not hers anymore – thankfully. Just take care of them, get them healthy and find them great homes – don’t waste your time or energy on a group of “horse lovers” that support a person who would treat animals in such a way. Hypocrisy at its best.
OMG
I must be leading a sheltered life -these fucktards really exist- why is there a plastic bag over that poor horses’ head and that dorthy embicile standing behind him grinning like she’s done something great- they need to run her fat ass thru the slaughterhouse- use the $$$ to help rescue a horse -rid the planet of another so called “Horse person”- this is just making me mad and to think that people think slaughter is the answer. It’s only the answer if you can slaughter all the PSA’s and idiot breeders, oh and all those assholes using embryo transfer (i hate that!)
Yeah, I’m not a huge fan of the test tube ponies either…
Just an FYI everyone…..”I” am ‘stormyheart6160’ on HGS, tho a lot of the members there just call me ‘stormy’. “I” am also the one they are calling a ‘hoarder’ because for a little over 20 years, I rescued/rehabbed/rehomed horses on a personal level. I had a 20 acre farm, and those horses deemed not adoptable, due to being special need horses, I allowed to just retire on my farm. I PAID for every cent of their care!! I did not solicit for donations. I did this for a lot of years, with no help and no problems! But, because two years ago I lost my job and my farm, and had to get rid of a lot of my horses, and because some of them were special need horses, that nobody wanted…that is why they are calling me a hoarder. Because I took in and kept horses that nobody else would want. We won’t mention all the other horses…that got new homes…for FREE! As I never charged an adoption fee, even tho I spent all my own hard earned money to take care of them. I did try to charge $100 a horse adoption, but that seemed like it made the adoptions slow down. So, I dropped the adoption fee and just let them go to their new homes for free, with a contract. We also won’t mention the QH mare, Blossum…who contracted Bastard Strangles and Purpura, and almost got euthanized as a result. She is the horse that I spent almost $5000 in vet bills to save her life, and then once she was all healed up, I GAVE HER AWAY FOR FREE to a nice man in Lawrence, Ks, along with her filly, Apple!
When I lost my farm, at the time I had 27 horses….I found homes for 10 of those horses. That left me with 17….6 of my own personal horses, and 11 special need horses. I could NOT feed them anymore. My savings was gone. I needed to get them rehomed quickly or else have them all shot. I’d rather shoot them than starve them!
Some of the members on HGS did try to help me out. But, the majority of tehm slammed me HARD then, and are still slamming me TWO YEARS LATER! My situation was NO DIFFERENT than Dorothys, in the circumstances that cost me my job and my farm. The difference between her situation and my situation was that, I didn’t breed horses, she did! My horses were taken in by a rescue, and provided for, with two of them being euthanized due to their old age and additional health problems. NONE of my horses got seized for neglect! In fact, I still have 10 of those horses, and I haven’t taken in but one 6 mos old filly since, and only had her for two weeks, before finding her a nice home.
I thought HOARDERS ‘kept’ everything they took in and didn’t rehome anything???? I rehomed a LOT more horses than I had when I lost my farm over the course of 20 years.
Yet, because I’ve given Dorothy a good dose of her own medicine that she dished out to me when I lost my farm….I’m the bad guy???? They have a set of standards for their pro slaughter compadres, and another set of standards for the anti’s!
I’m just suppose to be all sweet and compassionate to Dorothy, and all of them, because I’ve already been thru losing my farm, and should know how devestating it is?? When they start showing ME compassion….I’ll show it back!!!
And, just for the record…I’ve never hoarded anything in my life, except maybe my dirty laundry. I hate doing laundry, so let it ‘collect’. Problem is, if I could find someone to take my dirty laundry also, I’d let them have that too!!!
Nah…..once again, I do NOT care if they have no respect for me. What they call respect….I want NO PART of!!
And, if they think I’m being ‘mean and nasty’….I can get better with it, if they want me to! Keep pushing my buttons…but I’m NOT gonna let anyone forget how Dorothy allowed her 10 year old stallion suffer for months, because she disputed a $40 discrepency in a prior vet bill. I am not gonna let anyone forget how some of her horses toplines are gone, and some were so slipper footed, they could barely walk! Funny, because all of mine with the exception of one, was fat and healthy!!
HGS has a rep system…they are just pissed that they can’t give me tons of red rep on facebook. I’m NOT gonna submit to their bully mentality and keep my mouth shut about what I think!!! They don’t have to like it, or even agree with it. But, I am entitled to my opinion, and to voice it, just like everyone else!!!
Dorothy’s goose is about to be cooked. They are also profoundly stupid if they think she will ever get even one of those horses back. NNER owns them now. She isn’t going to court over that, she is going to answer to her criminal charges. Period. If she thinks she deserves those horses back, she’ll have to initiate her own lawsuit. She’s also lying to all of them about a lot of things and that will come to light very soon. I’ve also found proof that in 2008 she only had something like 6 horses. Less than 4 yrs later, she is up to 34???? Sounds like hoarding to me….it also doesn’t sound like she was selling many.
Still no lawyer involved, very little chance she will get the horses back. One person posted folks she could contact she has not.
She won’t get the horses back because that end of the proceedings is done and dusted. Even if she did sue for a reversal, does anybody honestly think she could afford the cost of boarding, vet and farrier care that NNER has into them at this point?
Dorothy is still a legand here in Klamath Co. Oregon. 1995 over 50 horses taken from her. Convicted on all accounts. County and KHS still have all the files. Somebody lock her up for good this time. If she gets no jail time we will watch out for her again.
Are you serious? Was this under her old name of Mcgowan? That certainly adds a lot to this case…
Very serious. Under the robertson name. Our lawyer at the time had her nurseing license pulled. Seems the state doesn’t like it’s nurses neglecting animals. Before Klamath Co, she was run out Deschutes Co. in Oregon and before that had questionable dealings in San Francisco caring for the elderly and with her lawyer boyfriend magicly these elders signed over estates to her. Don’t know if there was a conviction on that but they sure left SF in a hurry with boatloads of money to buy animals.
Boyfriend doesn’t seem to be around anymore. What a horrible human being. There really should be a registry for people like this.
So this isn’t Dorothy’s first offense?? Shame on her and all her fans on the HGS forum that support her – they’ll all look like idiots when the truth comes out (most of them already do).
Shelly/Stormy, I’ve read some of their threads and the responses when someone doesn’t agree with them – they sound like a coven of bitter old women that have nothing better to do than google stuff to try to prove their ridiculous points (funny they never googled the person they so adamantly defend!)(fools). Leave them to their miserable selves and focus on how far you’ve come despite your setbacks (I doubt Dorothy will be able to say the same). I’m sorry you went through what you did but I’m glad you still managed to take care of the horses you were responsible for; you didn’t neglect them then come up with a 1,000 excuses as to why it was justified along with blaming everyone and everything else.
Wait. Are you sure the state didn’t conspire to make you lose your job then your home then your horses?? It happened to Dorothy you know, it could happen to anyone according to those morons (who are apparently tax experts now too. lol!).
When will the goose be cooked?? Hopefully soon!! They’ll have to find someone else to target instead of NNER (who’s actually taking care of Dorothy’s horses!). Interestingly enough, they were first bashing NNER for having too many horses to adequately care for, spend time with and break. Now they’re testifying that’s it’s actually easy and some have even cared for 30+ all by their amazing self. The contradictions are entertaining!
They really are entertaining on how they switch positions depending on who is being discussed. This latest bit of news that she had another seizure and conviction on neglect is something even that coven of bitches shouldn’t be able to spin. Once a hoarder, always a hoarder….I sure hope the prosecution in Fallon know about it before next week….might make her sentencing a bit more realistic.
Thank you, feedyourhorses. I’ll just never understand some of those people on HGS. NEVER! They get themselves so involved in things that are none of their business, and it ALWAYS turns into a witch hunt. When they get to that point…they become madlessly cruel. I’ve had to deal with it for 6 years over there!!!!
Do you think any of them will apologize to me?? NOPE!!
AND….this is NOT Dorothys SECOND conviction for animal neglect
……this one will be her THIRD, IF convicted!!! I have no such convictions!!
Nah……I don’t think my situation was the result of a conspiracy. Poor decisions made by our government? Yes! But, not a conspiracy.
I DO want to clarify that I genuinely feel bad about Dorothy losing her farm. That one is really a hard pill to swallow. I know I almost choked to death on my pill. BUT, I do NOT feel bad about her losing her herd…..especially now, knowing she has a long standing history of neglecting them. AND, YES….knowing what we all know now, I also believe she IS/WAS a hoarder!!!
Given that another person on here mentioned that Dorothy got run our of San Francisco amidst scandal involved getting elderly clients to sign over their estates to her, I don’t even feel bad that she lost her farm. She’s a hoarder and a con artist that belongs in jail. I truly hope animal control goes out to her place and checks on the conditions and how many cats and dogs are being hoarded since she lists herself as a breeder of both of those as well. If tax dollars have to support her ass, I hope it’s in jail. Enough is enough with this beast.
Yes, I am serious Dorothy was convicted as Dorothy Robertson here in Klamath County. She remains our largest seizure. It was drug out in court due to her free lawyer. We now have a fantastic team of invesigators, Deputies we worrk with and a DDA asigned to us for animal cases and haven’t lost a case for 12 years. I’ve known where Dorothy was in Lovelock and contacted the sheriff there. He did nothing. Once I was made aware she had moved and had been busted, traded msg’s with the Dep on the case. He knows she was convicted here. If not jailed we need to keep track of her so we can alert the next jurisdiction. Thats just how we handle hoarders.
I have to say I’m not surprised. This is why people need to be prevented from owning animals. Already convicted of neglect and now here we are again. The only ones that pay the price are the animals and the tax payers. Charming.
This is about to get really interesting…..
Convited X50!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I knew that panic attack due to law enforcement 15 years ago had to do with a prior seizure, my husband was right I need to be in forensics and detective work.
I know people like her are repeat offenders and Manes finally figured out CCH is no breeder or horse person to be respected I hope this is the last we hear of her period.
Now to get those horses into good homes and the crew over there needs to give up on the illegal bs, what is done is done and had to be done.
Hey SR never mind the email I sent LOL
Sadly, she’s a hoarder and she will do this again. She’ll just move and start over like she has twice before. Sick.
I think she will get jail time but at least those folks know now why the LE’s were so quick to take them before it got worse.
Criminals move on with more problems then animal abusers…. because AAs get a free pass more than dead beat daddy/momma’s (equal in some respect)….courts quibble and dismiss any time they can.
My gelding is swelling again…and guess what??????????/
I called the 2 (only 2 in the valley) and guess what???????
One NEVER called back (emergency call -2xs) and the back up said “I’ll call you back”…”I’m in surgery”….sure you are. He NEVER did and I am willing to pay.
More people of the lie…….
Guess what Americans.????? More fuckheads….but I still have a very hurtin’ horse. Gotta love that bullshit oath of vets (and MDs for that matter).
Sorry about your gelding. We are lucky enough to have the vet live literally across the road, but I know what a pain in the ass they can be at times. Hope your boy pulls through and is comfortable by now. Always tough to watch them hurt 😦
Hear from Manes or Dorothy??
Has the fat lady sung?
They are too busy eating crow and still trying to justify all the NNER hate. Saving face is hard work you know!
SrC:
Saving face ain’t hard to do when you don’t have a brain….ethics, morals….
Well, what a surprise….Dorothy is a documented animal sociopath (with the most weakest of humans…elderly;any children scattered in there?????) in her life portfolio.
Slaughterphiles……here’s your sign!
I wonder if they still consider her `one of their own’ or if CJ Mawell and Sheila Short are still collecting money to help her out?
Shedrow…I hope you don’t mind if I use this blog to answer to the members on HGS that “I” consider now to be MORONS?? Feel free to remove this post if you want, but I refuse to ever go to HGS again. Happy now, HGS MORONS???
Farmeress, AND Gingersmom…..just WHAT exactly did I do to my horses that makes me a hoarder??
Most of the herds feet had been done, with the exception of the two founder cases, and since I know NOTHING about corrective trimming, I chose not to do those two’s feet! Did they go longer than they should have for trimming? Absolutely! But, I’d rather they went too long, than me try to trim them, and screw them up even worse!! Does that make me a hoarder?
EVERY horse I had was fat and healthy…with the exception of Star, who WAS emaciated. She had gotton her teeth done just 4 mos prior to the rescue coming and taking over their care. Maybe YOUR vet, will do LONG, and POINTED teeth, with a LOT of HOOKS all at once, but my vet only took them back so far, then told me to bring her back in in 6 mos, so her mouth could heal, along with the antibiotics she got put on, because the inside of her mouth looked like hamburger. When the 6 mos was up, is when I had no money and had to turn to rescues to take them on. She had started to gain weight after I had her teeth done the first time. Then, suddenly she lost a LOT of weight, and VERY QUICKLY! When the vet came out again, she had lost EVERY tooth in the back of her mouth,,,,in just a matter of 4 mos!! Which explained the sudden weight loss. Once that knowledge was learned, her feed intake increased, plus she got lots of chopped timothy/alfalfa hay to eat. By the time the rescue took her down to S.C., she was probably a 4-4.5 body score.
Now, you’ve made it perfectly clear that anyone who takes in special need horses, is considered a hoarder in your eyes, as you consider them useless for anything other than meat. But, apparently some people LIKE having companion horses, rather than work horses. Since the rescue that took her down to S,C, decided to KEEP her as a companion to his own ‘toothless wonder’. Guess that makes me and the rescue both, hoarders???
So, I refused to take my horses to an auction and would rather shoot them over the options of taking them to an auction or starving them. Does that make me a hoarder???
I had already rehomed 10 of the horses I originally had. PLUS, countless others over the course of 20+ years. Does that make me a hoarder???
NEWS FLASH!!!! Hoarders don’t rehome anything, and they just keep taking in more and more!!! Sound familiar?? Like someone we both know who does that with cats???
You might wanna try researching some of my old threads on HGS, and SEE how many other horses that I rescued, rehabbed and rehomed, before you go spouting off your better than thou bullshit at anyone!!! And, those ones pictured on HGS, aren’t even the tip of the barrel…there’s plenty more before them!!!
You be ‘on my side’???? I don’t know why you suddenly attacked me in that thread to begin with??? I certainly never attacked you….tho, I could say some pretty cruel and truthful things about you. Wait a minute…I think I WILL say it like I see it…..
You ARE a hoarder! A hoarder of CATS! You have more cats than anyone I know, and you just keep taking in more and more!!! I don’t care if you take care of their needs or not…..sooner or later, you’re not gonna be able to take care of that many cats, and start killing them or sending them elsewhere.
You are also a supporter of HORSE SLAUGHTER!! You support the cruel treatment they get, over closing the plants down. You seem to think that it’s better they get cruel and painful treatment for a short while, rather than get a loving home?
Bring on your challenge farmeress! I damn sure am not afraid of you!!! Come on over and do your worst, as that suddenly seems to be the only thing you’re good at anymore. Contrary to what you may believe…I don’t need your ‘protection’, or your slander. I’d prefer to keep you at arms length….actually about 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000….and so on, and so on, arms length!! Who needs or wants friends like you???
I find it laughable that you would call me a hoarder, but insist that Dorothy wasn’t one, and call her a ‘professional breeder’ instead. Guess my biggest mistake was that I didn’t breed horses…then I could of treated them any old way, and denied them care or help, and I would of been called a ‘professional breeder’, rather than a ‘hoarder’.
Does it matter that just a few months before actually losing my farm and having to move, that another HGS member, who has since been banned tried to tell everyone the same thing you keep saying about me and my horses, and that I had the Linn county sheriffs office come out to my farm and evaluate the property, and the condition of the horses, and gave me a HUGE THUMBS UP….even wrote up a report, that I posted on HGS for everyone to see! Some members even went so far as to call the Linn county sheriff, to verify the validity of the report!!!
Does it matter that at the time that rescue came forward and took over the care of the horses, and helped find homes for them…that almost every officer from the Edwardsville, Ks P,D, would come by the pasture all the time, and pet the horses, or just check on them, and they found nothing to be amiss??? Since I DID have proof that Star had her teeth done, and the vet had came out just the week prior and said she’s lost all of her teeth and could no longer chew properly…that, that documentation showed them that none of my horses had been neglected??
Oh, wait. You SHOULD already know all of that, right??? Seeings how you are ‘so thorough’ in your ‘undercover investigations”????
And…how did my situation differ from Dorothys, and she was a victim of circumstances, but I wasn’t?????
I never had my license revoked for my wage earner profession due to misconduct or anything else??? Seems like she screwed up with too many people with her nasty attitude, and it cost her, her job….which in turn she told everyone that she hurt herself and couldn’t perform nursing anymore. As a result of her behavior, DELIBERATE behavior, she put herself in a situation that made her unable to afford to provide proper care for her horses.
I…on the other hand, got fired from my job, because my employer kept giving me paychecks that were continuously bouncing…screwing up my acct, my bills, my credit. And, she fired me because I turned her into the Dept of labor!!! HOW is that MY fault????????? She didn’t deny me the unemployment, which I did get…but once that ran out, and I still had 17 horses to feed…that was it for me. HOW is that MY fault????
But yet….I was in the wrong with my situation and my horses??? Would it of made you feel any better if I had of taken them to an auction????
You all just make me so sick to my stomach. You treat everyone like YOU know everything about anyone…like you knew every detail of the situation that brought me to my knees, and cost me my farm…..to the point of actually attacking me. You should NO BETTER now, after all that’s been revealed, and will be revealed about you buddy, Dorothy!!! You DON’T know every detail of anyones life!!! Nor, do you need to know. Besides, WHO THE HELL do you think you are calling me anything????? Bitch…come on down to my place, and I’ll show you some real action!!!
Again…some of you make me sick. You are disgusting, pathetic excuses of human beings in my eyes.
To those who have always been nothing but kind to me, and didn’t feed into the typical HGS bullshit, I will miss your friendship. But, you can friend me on facebook if you want.
OK…I feel better having gotton that off my chest. Thank you Shedrow, for letting me use your blog as a sounding board! Again, feel free to delete if you want.
Feel better Stormy? BTW this is GingersMum (that’s with a U), if you are going to “call me out” why not let me know instead of posting to some random blog I don’t read (someone had to send me the link).
Let me set the record straight, I NEVER called you a HOARDER, I told you to take ownership and stop WHINING to her besties like a little teenager that got her phone taken away for running up the bill.
For the record here is what I said:
“Secondly, Stormy, you were not treated bad because of CCH but because of your treatment to your horses. Take some ownership. It’s really getting old having you come to this thread and state how CCH was the problem in how everyone handled your neglect.”
On another note I don’t believe I’ve ever stated my slaughter stance, maybe I have quite awhile ago, but even so it’s not something I flaunt so you are making some pretty big ASSumptions here. But, yes, I would rather a horse go to slaughter and end his misery then sit ther in pain with foundered feet because his owner doesn’t know anything about them-those are your words-hmm POSSIBLE short term pain or LONG term SUFFERING.
And it’s a question about who’s in it for the horses…
Seriously, can you guys keep the drama on your own forum?
I didn’t bring the drama here…that would be your very own Stormy, however, I am not going to sit idely by while someone trash-talks me for something I did not say.
Then you can take it to email or back to HGS. I’m serious. We have good discussions here, the majority of us are anti-slaughter. If you don’t have anything to add to the topic at hand, kindly take it elsewhere. That goes for anybody. Enough is enough…
And I’m truly sorry that it has occurred on your blog, I would have much preferred to handle this just between Stormy and myself…but alas she did not go that route.
I’ve asked her to leave that drama at the door too. Everybody has vented…you should all be good.
WOW! Get out of Shelly’s way!!
I hope you’re feeling lighter. Don’t worry about them, they’re just wannabe bullies in their cyberland and most likely nothing in reality (they are Dorothy’s fans afterall). I forgot Farmeress threatened to come over here and put everyone in their place, where is she??? That would be fun from what I’ve seen on this blog. I doubt she could take it and we’ll probably never see her. It’s obvious she’s all talk.
What’s going on with Dorothy’s cats? Rumor is she was hoarding those as well. Hopefully the charges also include what she’s done to them. If she’s EVER allowed to own an animal again there’s something very, very wrong with our justice system. We already know there’s something very, very wrong with her.
She may have a number of dogs as well. Of course, given the fact that everybody now knows about her past convictions, Big D ain’t talkin! Hopefully, she won’t plead innocent tomorrow and drag this out even further.
I assure you she plead innocent and drag it out. Please keep the up to date case status posted here so I can see what goes on. Don’t have the time to drive 600 miles to watch in court or I diffinaly would. Hope someone is going that can post the facts here daily. Thx
I will for sure post updates as I get them. Hopefully I’ll hear something. I’m nowhere near there either or I’d be sitting right there. I seriously think they need to check on the condition of her cats and dogs. Hoarders dont’ usually show that kind of neglect to only one species….I’d be willing to bet they are all living in squalor and the vet care is non-existent.
You are correct. I’m sure the dogs and cats are in bad shape. Usually all animals are taken at the same time but since the brand inspector made the call (if I remember correctly) that would be out of his jusisdiction. Animal Control should have steped in then and there. Not sure of Nevada laws but if convicted I think they have a no animal probation for 5 years at least. Then she will have to give up dogs and cats. Once convicted here you can’t have so much as a goldfish. Betting she gets convicted and moves to another state AGAIN.
It seems that there are quite a few assholes in Missouri that support hoarding and puppymills. Just ask NT and Puppymill Patterson…I’m sure she can find some kindred spirits among that crew.
I’m surprised theres been no nasty comments from Dorothy. I am disappointed. When here she couldn’t keep her mouth shut.
We can always hope….
Dorothy FINALLY posted on HGS real early this morning! She didn’t respond to anyones questions to her….only appeared irritated at another member who she thought stated her horses were ‘junk’. That statement actually came from ME….only, I posted on the rescues page that ‘breeders higher up on the scale consider her horses to be junk, and wouldn’t be breeding them’. Isn’t it funny how some of them can’t read for comprehension? lol
BTW…Shedrow and anyone else….I have the 3 part video of Dorothy’s hearing about who gets custody of her horses in my email. If you would like to see it, just email me at: “stormyheart61605@yahoo.com”, and I’ll forward it to you.
It’s really pretty interesting to watch. Tho, I have to be truthful here….I did feel sorry for her watching her cry.
You can forward it to my email. The address is in the `about’ section.
Can I ask how you got the videos Shelley? I’m not familiar of how court proceedings go usually, and certainly not in NV. Are they publicly available?
Just saw your post Shedrow….sending them now!
News on today’s events
http://www.kolotv.com/news/headlines/Horse-Neglect-Case-Goes-To-Trial-176341371.html
Awesome! Thank you!
Anytime